https://youtu.be/ruHuwoywsV4 Claro walnut slate over glass persimmon striker
Rodney, I believe you have a Winner there. I love that combo. Gray Slate over glass in a Walnut pot. You are definitely on the Right Track with your pots.
Sounds real good.....
I don't like being a cridic. , could sound better
My computer must have a bad speaker on it. It doesn't sound very good to me. ???
I'd kill a bird with that.
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Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on June 26, 2020, 08:42:26 PM
I'd kill a bird with that.
I guess that was not what was meant. You can kill a 2 year old rubbing a nail on a piece of tin on some days. I peesonally agree with some others here , it does not really sound good to me either. The question was asked so Im gonna be honest.
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on June 26, 2020, 08:59:47 PM
Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on June 26, 2020, 08:42:26 PM
I'd kill a bird with that.
I guess that was not what was meant. You can kill a 2 year old rubbing a nail on a piece of tin on some days. I peesonally agree with some others here , it does not really sound good to me either. The question was asked so Im gonna be honest.
x2 It's doesn't sound good to me either ..
Maybe it is just the striker being used but I have to agree not a sound I would normally look for in a pot. I'm sure getting the right sound takes a lot of testing, I would keep tinkering with it.
Two gobblers across the field like it this am.
You can't go by a video and also doesn't look like he is really cranking on the call that's why I really like to pick a call up and play it so I know what it really sounds like
That call looks good Rodney don't be discouraged hang in there
Quote from: rodney gillikin on June 27, 2020, 08:22:52 AM
Two gobblers across the field like it this am.
I'd trust the gobblers' ears over anyone pecking on a keyboard. Like I said, I guarantee I could kill a bird with it, and if you can kill a bird with it what the hell else are you wanting out of a turkey call? Keep toying around with pedestal height and wall thickness and hole placement and you'll get the sound dialed in. Above all else, have fun doing it! I think it looks great.
Looks and sound ability are 2 different parts of a pot call. Yes the pot call looks good , but the sound tone needs improving. He ask for opinions and that's what we all gave was our opinion , if you don't want opinions don't post the calls .. and as long as he asking for opinions, i will peck on this key board all i want. I agree NO need to get discouraged, just keep making improvements and for some of the ones who gave a honest opinion , i would trust their opinion. Again opinions vary..
Quote from: Greg Massey on June 27, 2020, 10:19:15 AM
Looks and sound ability are 2 different parts of a pot call. Yes the pot call looks good , but the sound tone needs improving. He ask for opinions and that's what we all gave was our opinion , if you don't want opinions don't post the calls .. and as long as he asking for opinions, i will peck on this key board all i want. I agree NO need to get discouraged, just keep making improvements and for some of the ones who gave a honest opinion , i would trust their opinion. Again opinions vary..
I agree.
I blow my truck horn at gobblers by the house and they gobble, doesn't mean I can call him to the truck with the horn. Not sure why someone would get mad, angry or what ever when someone post on a Turkey Hunting Forum a call they made and ask for opinions of that call.
That person will get many different opinions, some good, Some Not. Take the information and try to improve the call or don't post them asking for Opinions!
Turkeys do what turkeys do
When the season in they'll answer too anything that resembles sound of turkeys
Inside of that pot it's a chamber everything you do will change the sound and
Especially too get a good break / rollovers at the end of a Yelp
Not sounding like a bunch of scratching sound like what you have going on
Quote from: Greg Massey on June 27, 2020, 10:19:15 AM
Looks and sound ability are 2 different parts of a pot call. Yes the pot call looks good , but the sound tone needs improving. He ask for opinions and that's what we all gave was our opinion , if you don't want opinions don't post the calls .. and as long as he asking for opinions, i will peck on this key board all i want. I agree NO need to get discouraged, just keep making improvements and for some of the ones who gave a honest opinion , i would trust their opinion. Again opinions vary..
So what are the things he can do specifically to improve the sound of the call? Tighten the distance between sound board and surface, narrow the walls, narrow the pedestal, hole placement, what? That's the helpful part of this forum is people with expertise sharing that expertise for the betterment of the whole. At least that's what I enjoy about it.
That takes away the pride we pray on
The maker has too work on not somebody sharing there secrets
Quote from: outdoors on June 27, 2020, 10:59:27 AM
That takes away the pride we pray on
The maker has too work on not somebody sharing there secrets
Then at the very least describe specifically what you don't like about the sound so that he can monkey around with the call and try to improve it. "Too high on the front end." "Not enough roll over." "Not enough rasp." "Too much rasp." "Too quick on the roll over." "Back end falls off." All of those are things that he can take back to the shop. "Sounds bad" doesn't help him fix the call at all.
In this case you are not the Call Maker, He should be the one seeking advise.
Most of us on here that are Turkey Hunters and not call makers, we give our opinion on the sound and not how to build one.
There are some great call builders that are great turkey hunters also in his area, He should spend some time getting information from one of them, go visit them and spend some time at the shop with them. Most call makers have spent a lot of time and energy to find the dimensions that work for them, and while they will help they may not necessarily give them all the dimensions of a particular call.
Quote from: Yelper on June 27, 2020, 11:16:28 AM
In this case you are not the Call Maker, He should be the one seeking advise.
Most of us on here that are Turkey Hunters and not call makers, we give our opinion on the sound and not how to build one.
There are some great call builders that are great turkey hunters also in his area, He should spend some time getting information from one of them, go visit them and spend some time at the shop with them. Most call makers have spent a lot of time and energy to find the dimensions that work for them, and while they will help they may not necessarily give them all the dimensions of a particular call.
He's literally asking for advice on the call. That's what the entire post is about, "Tell me what you think about this call?" And just like every other post he's made the only response he got was "sounds bad." How is that helpful? It's fine if you're not a call maker or if you are a call maker and you don't want to share the secrets it took you years to reach, but if you're going to criticize the sound why not be specific about what those criticisms are? Again, why not say, "Too high on the front end," "Not enough roll over," "Not enough rasp," whatever? Those are helpful in that he can take that criticism back to the shop.
Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on June 27, 2020, 11:05:07 AM
Quote from: outdoors on June 27, 2020, 10:59:27 AM
That takes away the pride we pray on
The maker has too work on not somebody sharing there secrets
Then at the very least describe specifically what you don't like about the sound so that he can monkey around with the call and try to improve it. "Too high on the front end." "Not enough roll over." "Not enough rasp." "Too much rasp." "Too quick on the roll over." "Back end falls off." All of those are things that he can take back to the shop. "Sounds bad" doesn't help him fix the call at all.
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He didnt ask how to improve it. Him and you like it so obviously none needed. He asked what we think. When we gave our opinion , you seem to have gotten offended because our opinion is not the same as yours. There are many here , including myself , that play calls all year round. We are not stage callers but we like realism. I have over 200pot calls alone. When you have that many and play them all the time , then you know what a pot call should sound like. Also many of us are around turkeys throughout the year and we are hearing them all the time. There are alot of folks who turkey hunt and really do not even know what A hen sounds like. Its amazing. There are callmakers who have been building calls for years and have perfected that trade and then some who just glues things together and want to make a buck. Oh well. To each his own. Its a good thing that calling is only about 10% of the game is all I can say.
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on June 27, 2020, 11:27:15 AM
Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on June 27, 2020, 11:05:07 AM
Quote from: outdoors on June 27, 2020, 10:59:27 AM
That takes away the pride we pray on
The maker has too work on not somebody sharing there secrets
Then at the very least describe specifically what you don't like about the sound so that he can monkey around with the call and try to improve it. "Too high on the front end." "Not enough roll over." "Not enough rasp." "Too much rasp." "Too quick on the roll over." "Back end falls off." All of those are things that he can take back to the shop. "Sounds bad" doesn't help him fix the call at all.
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He didnt ask how to improve it. Him and you like it so obviously none needed. He asked what we think. When we gave our opinion , you seem to have gotten offended because our opinion is not the same as yours. There are many here , including myself , that play calls all year round. We are not stage callers but we like realism. I have over 200pot calls alone. When you have that many and play them all the time , then you know what a pot call should sound like. Also many of us are around turkeys throughout the year and we are hearing them all the time. There are alot of folks who turkey hunt and really do not even know what A hen sounds like. Its amazing. There are callmakers who have been building calls for years and have perfected that trade and then some who just glues things together and want to make a buck. Oh well. To each his own. Its a good thing that calling is only about 10% of the game is all I can say.
I could care less if you agree with me. That's not at all what this is about. And you may very well have an expert ear that I lack, which would be all the more reason to offer specific criticisms on sound. My point is that this forum is at its best when people encourage others and try to make each and every member better, whether that be getting a better pattern, deciding on a new choke, finding a good deal on a turkey vest, or improving calls. The only time this forum seems to perpetually implode is in discussions about the NWTF. Other than that it remains a pretty helpful place for people with a shared passion.
Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on June 27, 2020, 11:05:07 AM
Quote from: outdoors on June 27, 2020, 10:59:27 AM
That takes away the pride we pray on
The maker has too work on not somebody sharing there secrets
Then at the very least describe specifically what you don't like about the sound so that he can monkey around with the call and try to improve it. "Too high on the front end." "Not enough roll over." "Not enough rasp." "Too much rasp." "Too quick on the roll over." "Back end falls off." All of those are things that he can take back to the shop. "Sounds bad" doesn't help him fix the call at all.
ChesterCopperpot,
You have made your point and so have a few others on here. We can all say what we think the call sounds like and that does nothing to help the call maker.
That pot call and the other ones he posted on you tube have absolutely no roll over in the yelps, no front end no back end to be honest it sounds like fingernails on a chalkboard. JMO :morning:
Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on June 27, 2020, 11:55:22 AM
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on June 27, 2020, 11:27:15 AM
Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on June 27, 2020, 11:05:07 AM
Quote from: outdoors on June 27, 2020, 10:59:27 AM
That takes away the pride we pray on
The maker has too work on not somebody sharing there secrets
Then at the very least describe specifically what you don't like about the sound so that he can monkey around with the call and try to improve it. "Too high on the front end." "Not enough roll over." "Not enough rasp." "Too much rasp." "Too quick on the roll over." "Back end falls off." All of those are things that he can take back to the shop. "Sounds bad" doesn't help him fix the call at all.
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He didnt ask how to improve it. Him and you like it so obviously none needed. He asked what we think. When we gave our opinion , you seem to have gotten offended because our opinion is not the same as yours. There are many here , including myself , that play calls all year round. We are not stage callers but we like realism. I have over 200pot calls alone. When you have that many and play them all the time , then you know what a pot call should sound like. Also many of us are around turkeys throughout the year and we are hearing them all the time. There are alot of folks who turkey hunt and really do not even know what A hen sounds like. Its amazing. There are callmakers who have been building calls for years and have perfected that trade and then some who just glues things together and want to make a buck. Oh well. To each his own. Its a good thing that calling is only about 10% of the game is all I can say.
I could care less if you agree with me. That's not at all what this is about. And you may very well have an expert ear that I lack, which would be all the more reason to offer specific criticisms on sound. My point is that this forum is at its best when people encourage others and try to make each and every member better, whether that be getting a better pattern, deciding on a new choke, finding a good deal on a turkey vest, or improving calls. The only time this forum seems to perpetually implode is in discussions about the NWTF. Other than that it remains a pretty helpful place for people with a shared passion.
I get what you are saying. He did not ask info on how to improve the call. He asked " what you think"? He thinks they sound good or he would not be selling them. If he asked " How can I improve" then this thread would be going in a diffrent direction. Some of us have been around here a long time. We are like a family and we will sometimes fuss and argue but in the end its all good. Many of us eat breath and sleep turkey all year. Its our passion and we strive to get better. I have been hunting them 40 years. I am no expert caller nor do not think I have a expert year. I have been around turkeys most of my life. They make so many diffrent sounds that its crazy. There are some sounds that many turkey hunters have never even heard. There are calls out there that sound like a turkey and not like a turkey call. The sounds coming out of the pots that Rodney posted files of may not entirely be the call. It can be the way he plays them or it could be a combination. Will it kill a bird ? Probably on a given day. Will it kill a pressured 3 or 4 year old consistantly ? In my opinion I dont think so. Confidence in your particular calls go a long way. If you are not confident in it , then you wont use it. Again , calling is a small piece of the puzzle , but some of is seek the best calls we can put our hands on and we strive to be the best we can be at our sport just like a professional athelete. We push our selves to get better and we obtain the things that we believe will make us better and that includes calls. If you only have a couple of calls and you only hunt a few weekends out of the season , you may think those calls are great. Fine by me and good luck to you. If you come to a site with die hard turkey hunters , then be ready for the critisism.
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on June 27, 2020, 12:19:09 PM
Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on June 27, 2020, 11:55:22 AM
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on June 27, 2020, 11:27:15 AM
Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on June 27, 2020, 11:05:07 AM
Quote from: outdoors on June 27, 2020, 10:59:27 AM
That takes away the pride we pray on
The maker has too work on not somebody sharing there secrets
Then at the very least describe specifically what you don't like about the sound so that he can monkey around with the call and try to improve it. "Too high on the front end." "Not enough roll over." "Not enough rasp." "Too much rasp." "Too quick on the roll over." "Back end falls off." All of those are things that he can take back to the shop. "Sounds bad" doesn't help him fix the call at all.
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He didnt ask how to improve it. Him and you like it so obviously none needed. He asked what we think. When we gave our opinion , you seem to have gotten offended because our opinion is not the same as yours. There are many here , including myself , that play calls all year round. We are not stage callers but we like realism. I have over 200pot calls alone. When you have that many and play them all the time , then you know what a pot call should sound like. Also many of us are around turkeys throughout the year and we are hearing them all the time. There are alot of folks who turkey hunt and really do not even know what A hen sounds like. Its amazing. There are callmakers who have been building calls for years and have perfected that trade and then some who just glues things together and want to make a buck. Oh well. To each his own. Its a good thing that calling is only about 10% of the game is all I can say.
I could care less if you agree with me. That's not at all what this is about. And you may very well have an expert ear that I lack, which would be all the more reason to offer specific criticisms on sound. My point is that this forum is at its best when people encourage others and try to make each and every member better, whether that be getting a better pattern, deciding on a new choke, finding a good deal on a turkey vest, or improving calls. The only time this forum seems to perpetually implode is in discussions about the NWTF. Other than that it remains a pretty helpful place for people with a shared passion.
I get what you are saying. He did not ask info on how to improve the call. He asked " what you think"? He thinks they sound good or he would not be selling them. If he asked " How can I improve" then this thread would be going in a diffrent direction. Some of us have been around here a long time. We are like a family and we will sometimes fuss and argue but in the end its all good. Many of us eat breath and sleep turkey all year. Its our passion and we strive to get better. I have been hunting them 40 years. I am no expert caller nor do not think I have a expert year. I have been around turkeys most of my life. They make so many diffrent sounds that its crazy. There are some sounds that many turkey hunters have never even heard. There are calls out there that sound like a turkey and not like a turkey call. The sounds coming out of the pots that Rodney posted files of may not entirely be the call. It can be the way he plays them or it could be a combination. Will it kill a bird ? Probably on a given day. Will it kill a pressured 3 or 4 year old consistantly ? In my opinion I dont think so. Confidence in your particular calls go a long way. If you are not confident in it , then you wont use it. Again , calling is a small piece of the puzzle , but some of is seek the best calls we can put our hands on and we strive to be the best we can be at our sport just like a professional athelete. We push our selves to get better and we obtain the things that we believe will make us better and that includes calls. If you only have a couple of calls and you only hunt a few weekends out of the season , you may think those calls are great. Fine by me and good luck to you. If you come to a site with die hard turkey hunters , then be ready for the critisism.
Amen and right on point Spitten and drummen .. if a person on this post thinks those calls sounded good , then place your order for couple of them.
OK , that enough of this soap pop, there is no need of any more commits. There enough going on in the world today to worry about a turkey call . My apologies. :thanks:
Quote from: rodney gillikin on June 27, 2020, 02:12:38 PM
OK , that enough of this soap pop, there is no need of any more commits. There enough going on in the world today to worry about a turkey call . My apologies. :thanks:
You got that right. Keep at it. Make your changes small. A little change can go a long way. I'm in the learning curve also but not with turning pot calls. I chose to work on some paddle calls first. Different viscosity glue, the amount of glue and finish you use and how much will change the sound.
Ok Greg and Spitten and Drumming could you play one of your calls so i could hear what im missing??
Rodney, I sent you a PM.
I could but why should I ? Im not coming here and trying to sell calls. If you dont think nothing is wrong with your call then have at it. Its not a call that I personally think sounds good. There are plenty here that would agree but remain quiet to keep from stirring up something. Now you can sell those calls to people who dont turkey hunt 3 months straight. Not being rude but you asked. By the way , I thought you asked to let this post die but here we are. Anyway , keep working on your calls and I wish you luck in getting better.
I also sent you a pm.
OK, sorry didn't meant nothing by it just asked, my apologies