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General Discussion => General Forum => Topic started by: Greg Massey on March 27, 2020, 01:54:03 AM
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Have you or do you ever use Jake yelps or gobbler yelps while calling birds ? Have you ever heard Jake or Gobbler yelps ?
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Fall alot. Spring yes ive heard them and use them at times.
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I have seen jakes yelp in front of me during the spring... The time that stands out, is after shooting a tom in a group of jakes...
Honestly, I have not heard them enough to know what I am listening to, but the hens tend to have a faster cadence, and a bit higher pitched yelp than the jakes...
If I want to sound like a male, I tend to gobble at them... If I am yelping, I try to sound like a hen. That might change were I confident in making jake yelps, and knowing when it would be prudent to do so. But I have not observed this behavior often enough to know when the best times to do so would be? Nor have I heard enough jake yelps to confidently imitate them.
Granted, when I have close birds (not quite in range) that are walking away, I throw everything I can think of at them... Clucks, cuts, yelps, fighting purrs, gobbles, and I would not be opposed to a jake yelp. So far I used every call I can think of outside of saying "GET BACK HERE NOW!"
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Heard them all yelp and all gobble (including hens). Jake yelps are a trap for older gobblers here is how it works.
Group of Jake's walking down the field, hear a boss Tom gobble. When they get around the bend they notice he has some females with him. They devise a plan, they will all gang up on him and take his ladies. So they hide back in the woods and start soft yelping. Note: Only one of the thug Jake's does this. While the Jake is playing transgender his so buddies circle around towards the ladies. Once the tranny has the Tom's attention and is headed that way the boys of summer swoop in and gang rush ol' Tom and take his ladies. If you can Jake yelp you can hen yelp. Why take the chance on Jake yelping in front of your friends and being tagged tranny? Lol
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Heard it many times but have never used it. I have used a gobble call with some success over the years.
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I've tried them for a while, most common reaction was a gobble every once in a while, , hen yelps have worked better to get turkeys to come to me, hen assembly calls have called in gobblers, Jakesand hens, feeding sounds too
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Good post Greg. I have only heard the gobbler yelp a few times over the years. Low, deep, little gravly. This happened when I worked a gobbler for a long period of time. As he searched for me, he had a soft yelp over our several hour confrontation. I ended up getting these guys, but it was a weird experience hearing that yelp. Very distinctive.......
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I’ve heard Jake yelps quite a bit in the spring. Never really use the Jake yelp in hunting.
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Have heard it and used it, I have had jakes "Yaulk" after a tom gobbles. I have used it in place of a "gobble" and making the call right after a tom gobbles. It would sound like a jake moved in on a hen that a tom was responding to. A "Gobble" and "Yaulk" are the only calls I will use if I am going to respond immediately to a toms gobble, I never respond to a toms gobble with hen calls.
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I have used it a couple times with success both times it was when there was a Tom a Jake and a hen.Both times the tom was aggressive towards the Jake and when I jake yelped the tom came looking.I have never used it just blind calling I too gi to my Gobbler call.Might have to try it when things are slow.
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I have heard and seen gobblers yelp that sounded just like a hen yelp would,....and I have heard and seen hens yelp that sound just like you would think a jake or gobbler yelp would. Turkeys have different voices.
Gobblers you are calling go to the voice that they decide suits them. How they interpret the calling they hear in terms of whether it is another gobbler, a jake, or just a raspy old hen is anybody's guess.
Don't overthink it,...just try to sound like a turkey and figure out what they want to hear.
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I’ve used it n called in birds w it. It’s def a good technique. Lots of folks use gobbles. They have some luck there. As stated sometimes gobblers could sound like hens but the opposite seems less true in my experience. If you use jake yelps per se, a little lower, slower n less, say you were on state land? W a gobble you’d def have co. Maybe you would w any turkey sound but bring lots of guys have no idea of the difference they don’t suspect “male”. Great challenging technique and if you’re hearing gobbler/jake yelps to the right a ways or lighter hen yelps to the left a ways I’d play the odds n head toward gobbler sounds.
Gobbler sounds work, yelping, clucking, fight rattles (prob the most exciting) and gobbles. Just more technique to try. If you don’t no way to be sure it doesn’t work.
I’ll say one here too. Mentioning the fight rattles. I bet ya I’ve killed near 30 birds w dm throughout the years. Used to be a bread n butter call it seemed. When all else failed that one worked. It seems to ebb n flow now but it’s still viable. Same w gobbler yelps. One more thing to try in just the right situations
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A true gobbler yelp is something that's not gonna be confused, it's such a low and slow yelp it almost sounds like a scratchy dog bark. It's not a sound that all calllers can make, some just don't have a low enough tone to make it. Most top shelf box call makers will have a jake or gobbler in there box, you just gotta find it. Many pot calls can't do both, but there are exceptions.
If you're working a hen'd up dominant bird that has no interest, sometimes a little hen talk followed by two or three hard gobbler yelps will change his tune quickly.
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Jake and Gobbler yelp is something us old timers have been using for years , during the spring , i agree there is a time to use it on gobblers that hang up say around 50 yards or so and we have been very successful in using it. My suggestion is make that Jake or Gobbler yelp on a different call than the call your using to call hen's with in trying to use the Jake or gobbler yelp. Do you remember back years ago , a box call would have a deeper tone and throaty side and then hen side. This is something the old times believed in using. I don't think it's over thinking it at all , it's another tool in your bag of tricks.
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Jake and Gobbler yelp is something us old timers have been using for years , during the spring , i agree there is a time to use it on gobblers that hang up say around 50 yards or so and we have been very successful in using it. My suggestion is make that Jake or Gobbler yelp on a different call than the call your using to call hen's with in trying to use the Jake or gobbler yelp. Do you remember back years ago , a box call would have a deeper tone and throaty side and then hen side. This is something the old times believed in using. I don't think it's over thinking it at all , it's another tool in your bag of tricks.
I agree entirely that hunters should vary their calling in some situations as needed to include using what we would call jake or gobbler yelps. My point is that the turkey that hears it is not necessarily interpreting it as such. Sure, they might be,...but then again, a gobbler may think that low voice it is hearing is from a raspy old hen turkey that he is familiar with. Again,...just figure out what it takes to get that gobbler to come to you (if he will at all),...and do that.... :)
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Jake and Gobbler yelp is something us old timers have been using for years , during the spring , i agree there is a time to use it on gobblers that hang up say around 50 yards or so and we have been very successful in using it. My suggestion is make that Jake or Gobbler yelp on a different call than the call your using to call hen's with in trying to use the Jake or gobbler yelp. Do you remember back years ago , a box call would have a deeper tone and throaty side and then hen side. This is something the old times believed in using. I don't think it's over thinking it at all , it's another tool in your bag of tricks.
I agree entirely that hunters should vary their calling in some situations as needed to include using what we would call jake or gobbler yelps. My point is that the turkey that hears it is not necessarily interpreting it as such. Sure, they might be,...but then again, a gobbler may think that low voice it is hearing is from a raspy old hen turkey that he is familiar with. Again,...just figure out what it takes to get that gobbler to come to you (if he will at all),...and do that.... :)
Agree , good post ..
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At the end of the season when they are back in bachelor groups I have yelped back and forth with Jake's drawing the group closer to me. Slower cadence and more rasp.
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I hear them and use them both spring and fall along with using a gobble call.
I think turkeys know exactly the difference in what they are hearing (interpret) when they hear old hen yelps vs Jake or gobbler yelps when done by other turkeys or someone who is proficient on a call.
in the pinhoti episode from a couple days ago (Fl. public land confrontation), listen to the cadence and pitch shift at 15:22-15:24 as Dave switches over to Jake yelps.
and in the back ground you can hear the gobbler cut him off when he shifts to Jake yelps.
The Denny Gulvas DVD's have many examples of real gobbler/Jake vocals along with him explaining how to do it on a diaphragm call.
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I heard a crazy fight rattle on opening day this year from 100 yards away across a river. They would not respond to a yelp, but when I did a kee kee with some very choppy yelping (I was trying to sound like a lost jake), they fired up and actually started fighting again. I did it one last time and they flew straight across to me. That was what seemed to set them off, so I used it. It may have been I could have done it with just a yelp, but they did not gobble back to a yelp, so I tried something different. honestly, I just wanted to fire them up, never really expected them to fly across. But desperate times call for desperate measures.
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Didn’t read all the responses so pardon if this has already been stated. Yes I use a jake/gobbler yelp occasionally. Has worked once in a while to bring a Tom in for a look after he’s responded to hen calls but hung up out of sight. I make these using a deeper raspy side of a box call, start with a sharp cluck and drag the lid (especially first note) for a longer slower yelp. That sharp cluck and dragging first note of yelp is what I’ve picked up on with jake/gobbler yelps so I try to mimic it.
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I tend to gobbler/jake Yelp quite a bit in the spring and it's made the difference for me on more than one occasion. I always remember my late father using the right side of his Lynch box on almost every gobbler he set up on, I guess its stuck with me. I prefer a slate or 4 read diaphragm but I'll also use a trumpet or longbox for gobbler sounds.
I called a 1 1/4" spurred bird away from hens last year with Jake yelps. Had I not tried, he wouldn't have gotten a Tacoma ride that morning.
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Definitely a lot in the fall while deer hunting in Ohio. I was deer hunting in Florida one time and had a jake walk by yelping. Just this morning I heard what had to be a jake yelping. Distinctive difference in tone.
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I almost always try to sound like more than 1 bird. And many times I try to sound like a Jake or gobbler is coming in to see the hen. It appeals to all birds , male and female.
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It's my go to on hung up gobblers that are responding. When he gobbles at my hen yelping I will Jake yelp right back sometimes even cutting off his gobble. If he's waiting for the hen to come to him I try and simulate that she has a Jake for company and isn't interested in budging her position either. It's worked more then a few times at getting him to commit.
With turkeys jealous is often a greater motivator then love.
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To revisit this thread...
Opening day was this weekend, and I interacted with more groups of jakes than I ever had before. I saw (and heard) more jakes yelping than I have ever seen before.
In many cases, the sound difference (between hens) can very subtle, and other birds were gobbling at the jakes yelping. Maybe the gobbles were due to an aggressive response, or maybe the birds themselves cannot tell the difference?
Several times, jakes came into us gobbling, did not see a hen (where she should be) and started yelping. At one point, I had jakes come in from straight in front (hiding in a small brush pile with rocks), and one jake went to either side of my hide and started fervently yelping on either side of me (I could discern no difference between this yelping and normal hen yelping)... Three more jakes just behind them then started gobbling.
I also noticed a group of jakes and hens (jakes strutting and gobbling), and when the hens started moving and yelping, the jakes were yelping back.
Watching all of this unfold, I am uncertain as to how it will make any difference in hunting strategy.
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The jakes and gobblers that I have watched yelp had a very different yelp than any hen i have ever seen yelping. The adult gobblers i have watched yelp had a very deep course and slow yelp. Clucks have been deep sounding too. I have used those calls in the spring but cant really say with what success as during those times I have been using hen calling as well. Kind of like using multiple hen calls. Which one done him in when he gobbles at multiple calls?
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All the info you want, read Ray Eye's books. He's been an advocate of goggler/jake yelping for years and it delivers for him and I have used it at times over years. Parks makes a gobbler pot and it works. I can't say enough about Ray Eye. he knows his stuff. People bad mouth him but to their detriment and loss. Another advocate for gobbler calls is Larry Proffitt, a turkey hunter who has lived his life a student of Master Calling the Wild Turkey, Read his book "Letters to my Grandson." My :z-twocents: worth.
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Most of you have called in a ton more gobblers than me, but I did use a jake yelp with success a few years ago. I had a jake and hen decoy out. I had 2 hens RUN in while the other 4 stayed out with the gobbler. The whole flock ended up skirting me about 80-100 yards away and so I tried a jake yelp as a last resort after a half hour of throwing everything I had at them. He gobbled every time I did it and finally let his hens drift ahead of him as he strutted over to take peak at the “jake”. It was his demise.
I made the call by basically saying “doo doo doo” into the mouth reed.