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General Discussion => General Forum => Topic started by: Marc on March 23, 2020, 01:05:23 PM
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I decided to post this on a stand alone thread, after posting a similar response on a different thread.
We all have a social responsibility to reduce slow the rate of infection of this virus. Just because it is not in your area yet, does not mean it will not present itself.
Remember the virus can survive on surfaces (such as gas handles, money, countertops, etc.), and potentially be transmitted to someone else who touches those same surfaces. And MOST PEOPLE ARE ASYMPTOMATIC while initially spreading this infection... That is one of the most scary and dangerous aspects of this infection.
It is NOT the act of turkey hunting that will spread the virus... It is the INCIDENTAL INTERACTIONS, such as getting gas or a snack in the area you are hunting. Handing money to someone, pumping gas and touching a handle that someone else has or will touched...
I will be hunting this season, but I will stay close to home... I will get gas before I leave. I will be supplied with food/water, etc... I will not stop at any stores, gas stations, or anywhere there is a chance of physical interaction, and will avoid coming into close proximity to anyone.
By all known information, this infection will come to most areas in this country, and will likely be endemic (meaning most Americans will come in contact with it). The goal currently is to reduce the rate of spread and transmission so that we do not overload the health system, and potentially are able to come up with treatments or vaccines so that less people are seriously effected.
Please be socially responsible. Do what you can (at home and while hunting) to decrease the risk of transmitting or acquiring this infection.
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Very good advice. A lot of folks will downplay it and say it is media driven or politics driven, but this is going to be a long, devastating ride before it is done. I am praying for the safety of all folks everywhere and that people will listen to the advice of stopping non-essential travel. Some people will just ignore the warning until they or someone they love gets gravely ill.
Those of us that just went through Hurricane Michael (and the good folks in Tennessee with the tornado, South Carolina with the flooding a couple years back, etc) learned that life will eventually return to normal, but be prepared for it to last a good long while. Don't panic, but use sense, stay safe, care for others by not being a vector of spread. Missing a hunt is a small price to pay to safe a life.
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I plan on social distance adherence till at least July. I will follow these rules till this thing is long, long gone. Solo turkey hunts this season for 30 plus days is my immediate plan stating Mid April. We will prevail, this is America.....
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I agree with the sentiments expressed. Even so, there are activities that are innocuous as far as potentially spreading this virus. IMO, a well-planned and thought-out hunting trip away from society, and with the proper precautions taken, regardless of where it might be, falls into this category.
Unless otherwise prevented from going, I will be taking my planned trips,...and will implement the necessary precautions needed. By now, everybody should know what they need to be doing. Anybody that doesn't hasn't been paying attention,...and for whatever reason, probably doesn't care.
There are so many variables that are part of our everyday lives that we can't control. However, there are many that we can by applying just a modicum of common sense. Control the ones you can as carefully as you can,...but sacrificing the things in life you cherish that will make no difference to the overall outcome will do nothing to help the situation.
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Agree with the above but it will be very very difficult not to spread the virus if you unfortunately come into contact with it. Scenario: You go to the grocery store and pick up a few items. What if an infected person touched them, or sneezed on them, before you came along? Okay you don't touch your face and upon leaving use the sanitizer. Now you go home, put the infected items away and decide to wash your hands...or not, because you used the sanitizer upon exiting the grocery store. Turn on the faucet...oops, you just infected the handle, plus if the infected item(s) was plastic or stainless it will live for 2 or 3 days. We can all come up with dozens of such scenarios and, to not come down with it, may be more luck than anything else.
On a personal note, my wife just came off weeks of chemo and is now getting radiation. During chemo, she came down and was hospitalized with pneumonia for a week. After that she developed diverticulitis...another week in the hospital. Both due to a compromised immune system. We are trying to be extra careful but, as said, it may end up being more luck than anything.
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We can social distance all we can and hopefully it slows things down,but mail,packages,supplies are not abiding by the state lines being closed or our social distancing.
Only chance I see of not adventually coming down with it is a vaccine.
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Very good advice. A lot of folks will downplay it and say it is media driven or politics driven, but this is going to be a long, devastating ride before it is done.
While everything you said, and the sentiments expressed in this entire post are accurate, don't forget that it truly is the Democrats and the main stream media, which is the propaganda arm of the Democrat party, fueling the panic with misinformation and hysteria. The more harmful this virus is to the American people, and to the US economy, it is a boon to the Democrat politicians.
They are using anything and everything they can to try to take down President Trump and keep him from getting re-elected. So while the virus is real, and serious precautions need to be taken, never forget that the panic related to the virus has been manufactured by the Democrats.
(https://i.imgur.com/UjX92Ib.jpg)
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Yes I plan on doing the same thing, I have all the supplies I need, except gas, I have my own latex gloss I'musing when iI get out of my truck for gas, or what have you, not lleaving the state this year, I will be in the woods most of my free time. I am surrounded by people that are down playing this, not being careful of what they are doing , and acting selfish ( like I'm not gonna get sick ) but ignoring the fact that Mr so and sois 60 a d his wife is at home with health problems. Prayers being sent.
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don't forget that it truly is the Democrats and the main stream media, which is the propaganda arm of the Democrat party, fueling the panic with misinformation and hysteria. The more harmful this virus is to the American people, and to the US economy, it is a boon to the Democrat politicians.
They are using anything and everything they can to try to take down President Trump and keep him from getting re-elected. So while the virus is real, and serious precautions need to be taken, never forget that the panic related to the virus has been manufactured by the Democrats.
(https://i.imgur.com/UjX92Ib.jpg)
100% correct
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Very good advice. A lot of folks will downplay it and say it is media driven or politics driven, but this is going to be a long, devastating ride before it is done.
While everything you said, and the sentiments expressed in this entire post are accurate, don't forget that it truly is the Democrats and the main stream media, which is the propaganda arm of the Democrat party, fueling the panic with misinformation and hysteria. The more harmful this virus is to the American people, and to the US economy, it is a boon to the Democrat politicians.
They are using anything and everything they can to try to take down President Trump and keep him from getting re-elected. So while the virus is real, and serious precautions need to be taken, never forget that the panic related to the virus has been manufactured by the Democrats.
(https://i.imgur.com/UjX92Ib.jpg)
If we're going to get into politics here and blame the Dems for everything it will lead to some very heated posts. And that's OK with me because I have some opinions on the people who are and have been downplaying the threat. The biggest problem I see is some people completely ignoring all the sensible advice we're getting on how to decrease the chances of spreading the virus or coming into contact with people who are asymptomatic.
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don't forget that it truly is the Democrats and the main stream media, which is the propaganda arm of the Democrat party, fueling the panic with misinformation and hysteria. The more harmful this virus is to the American people, and to the US economy, it is a boon to the Democrat politicians.
They are using anything and everything they can to try to take down President Trump and keep him from getting re-elected. So while the virus is real, and serious precautions need to be taken, never forget that the panic related to the virus has been manufactured by the Democrats.
(https://i.imgur.com/UjX92Ib.jpg)
100% correct
That's what I'm thinking also...Cant impeach..No one worth a crap to run against him.(even if your a Democrat you can't deny that)..Lets ruin the economy and scare everyone maybe this will work...
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A lot of folks will downplay it and say it is media driven or politics driven.
Very good advice. A lot of folks will downplay it and say it is media driven or politics driven, but this is going to be a long, devastating ride before it is done.
While everything you said, and the sentiments expressed in this entire post are accurate, don't forget that it truly is the Democrats and the main stream media, which is the propaganda arm of the Democrat party, fueling the panic with misinformation and hysteria. The more harmful this virus is to the American people, and to the US economy, it is a boon to the Democrat politicians.
They are using anything and everything they can to try to take down President Trump and keep him from getting re-elected. So while the virus is real, and serious precautions need to be taken, never forget that the panic related to the virus has been manufactured by the Democrats.
If we're going to get into politics here and blame the Dems for everything it will lead to some very heated posts. The biggest problem I see is some people completely ignoring all the sensible advice we're getting on how to decrease the chances of spreading the virus or coming into contact with people who are asymptomatic.
Idgobble, a reference to media and politics was already made before I commented. I supported the need for caution and smart response to the virus. Just because we don't all agree on politics, I won't refrain from commenting on the obvious politically driven aspect of the virus, that has intentionally led to a nationwide deliberate panic.
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I am hunting, I will limit interaction with strangers and social distancing is not very difficult. I need to buy food regardless of weather I am on a hunting trip so will exercise distance at the grocery store.
Gas stations I rarely go into so paying at the pump I can keep from spreading or contracting with some wipes or gloves. I can take pit stops to address the call of nature anywhere for the most part.
As far as the Dems, I could not agree more, but if you don't think repubs are a problem that is a whole other can of worms!
Be careful, hunt safe and enjoy the great outdoors!
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don't forget that it truly is the Democrats and the main stream media, which is the propaganda arm of the Democrat party, fueling the panic with misinformation and hysteria. The more harmful this virus is to the American people, and to the US economy, it is a boon to the Democrat politicians.
They are using anything and everything they can to try to take down President Trump and keep him from getting re-elected. So while the virus is real, and serious precautions need to be taken, never forget that the panic related to the virus has been manufactured by the Democrats.
(https://i.imgur.com/UjX92Ib.jpg)
100% correct
That's what I'm thinking also...Cant impeach..No one worth a crap to run against him.(even if your a Democrat you can't deny that)..Lets ruin the economy and scare everyone maybe this will work...
This is my personal thought of what is going on as well. I mean Polosi blocks a bill to get aid because she wants something put in on abortion? That is why Trump declared a state of emergency so he could bypass The House. (And ended up with more money than he asked for by doing so) Also there is strong evidence that the Malaria drug (Quinine I think, could be another) has helped with curing it but the Dem/Libs insult Trump and say he is a fool for trying it.
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Okay, politics aside. I understand the social responsibility aspect that comes with this pandemic. And those precautions should be taken. However, I find it ironic that there are those hunters that preach social responsibility but can still justify their own personal hunts. And before the firebombs start flying I realize that the government has said outdoor recreation is a good thing with minimal risk. Do your thing...
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As far as the Dems, I could not agree more, but if you don't think repubs are a problem that is a whole other can of worms!
Oh absolutely!!! :icon_thumright:
That's why I've said for years that all political parties should be abolished, and everyone should run as independents. That would eliminate all the partisan crapola. Add term limits in, ban earmarks, make politicians live by the same rules and follow the same laws as us, and it would be a great start.
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Okay, politics aside. I understand the social responsibility aspect that comes with this pandemic. And those precautions should be taken. However, I find it ironic that there are those hunters that preach social responsibility but can still justify their own personal hunts. And before the firebombs start flying I realize that the government has said outdoor recreation is a good thing with minimal risk. Do your thing...
Not trying to start an argument, but are you saying that you are going to self-quarantine and not go turkey hunting this season? ???
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Okay, politics aside. I understand the social responsibility aspect that comes with this pandemic. And those precautions should be taken. However, I find it ironic that there are those hunters that preach social responsibility but can still justify their own personal hunts. And before the firebombs start flying I realize that the government has said outdoor recreation is a good thing with minimal risk. Do your thing...
Social responsibility and hunting can be done with common sense imo.Do Your thing,Correct!!!but don't be an idiot coughing and touching on people and things in the process..
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Okay, politics aside. I understand the social responsibility aspect that comes with this pandemic. And those precautions should be taken. However, I find it ironic that there are those hunters that preach social responsibility but can still justify their own personal hunts. And before the firebombs start flying I realize that the government has said outdoor recreation is a good thing with minimal risk. Do your thing...
Social responsibility and hunting can be done with common sense imo.Do Your thing,Correct!!!but don't be an idiot coughing and touching on people and things in the process..
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As far as the Dems, I could not agree more, but if you don't think repubs are a problem that is a whole other can of worms!
Oh absolutely!!! :icon_thumright:
That's why I've said for years that all political parties should be abolished, and everyone should run as independents. That would eliminate all the partisan crapola. Add term limits in, ban earmarks, make politicians live by the same rules and follow the same laws as us, and it would be a great start.
And candidate's campaigns should be gov't financed so they don't have to rely on bribes from lobbyists and the financing should be very low so we see how well they can budget.
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I am taking a “wait and see” approach. My annual trip to Western OK for opening week is supposed to be two weeks from today. If the situation with this pandemic improves in the next two weeks and everyone in my family is healthy, i may still go. If things have not improved, I will postpone and hope to go later in the season. I believe the next two weeks will tell us a lot.
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I had to cancel my annual Canada trip 2 years ago due to Hurricane Michael. It stung, but going last year was so much sweeter from having missed seeing my good friends. If anyone does have to cancel, it will suck. But if you do, thanks in advance for being considerate of others and the health of our country. I hope no one needs to though.
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This is my personal thought of what is going on as well. I mean Polosi blocks a bill to get aid because she wants something put in on abortion? That is why Trump declared a state of emergency so he could bypass The House. (And ended up with more money than he asked for by doing so) Also there is strong evidence that the Malaria drug (Quinine I think, could be another) has helped with curing it but the Dem/Libs insult Trump and say he is a fool for trying it.
So Pelosi adds some abortion language and "Trump’s proposal included $200 billion worth of loans to airlines and “other critical sectors of the U.S. economy experiencing severe financial distress.” (like his hotel industry). The airlines have added more baggage fees and every other fee they could think of while increasing top management salaries and bonuses and avoiding paying taxes and now they want to be bailed out by taxpayers. They should take low interest loans and use their assets for collateral.
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Okay, politics aside. I understand the social responsibility aspect that comes with this pandemic. And those precautions should be taken. However, I find it ironic that there are those hunters that preach social responsibility but can still justify their own personal hunts. And before the firebombs start flying I realize that the government has said outdoor recreation is a good thing with minimal risk. Do your thing...
Not trying to start an argument, but are you saying that you are going to self-quarantine and not go turkey hunting this season? ???
I don’t see it as an argument, just a discussion about different peoples approach and perspective to the same problem. Oh, I fully intend to hunt. I can only control my personal situation. I will take the necessary precautions but that doesn’t guarantee an exposure free experience. I’m lucky to live rurally and rarely see another person so in essence I have self quarantined. But I still need groceries and fuel and each trip runs a risk of exposure as well as a break down or an accident. You do you and whatever your level of personal responsibility is because we don’t all look through the same prism. May the turkey gods smile on you this spring if you intend to go. Cheers!
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Okay, politics aside. I understand the social responsibility aspect that comes with this pandemic. And those precautions should be taken. However, I find it ironic that there are those hunters that preach social responsibility but can still justify their own personal hunts. And before the firebombs start flying I realize that the government has said outdoor recreation is a good thing with minimal risk. Do your thing...
Not trying to start an argument, but are you saying that you are going to self-quarantine and not go turkey hunting this season? ???
I don’t see it as an argument, just a discussion about different peoples approach and perspective to the same problem. Oh, I fully intend to hunt. I can only control my personal situation. I will take the necessary precautions but that doesn’t guarantee an exposure free experience. I’m lucky to live rurally and rarely see another person so in essence I have self quarantined. But I still need groceries and fuel and each trip runs a risk of exposure as well as a break down or an accident. You do you and whatever your level of personal responsibility is because we don’t all look through the same prism. May the turkey gods smile on you this spring if you intend to go. Cheers!
True! Best of luck to you as well!!
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I predict many turkeys will die during this pandemic
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I had to cancel my annual Canada trip 2 years ago due to Hurricane Michael. It stung, but going last year was so much sweeter from having missed seeing my good friends. If anyone does have to cancel, it will suck. But if you do, thanks in advance for being considerate of others and the health of our country. I hope no one needs to though.
My hunting partner and I had to cancel our Mexico trip for Goulds turkeys this spring. I was already concerned, and contemplating cancelling the flight to El Paso, TX, opting to drive instead. Then the border shut down to non-essential traffic, so the choice was made for me. My trip to Bama & Kentucky is likely out as well. So it looks like this year I'll be limited to FLA WMA's, and my lease in SC......assuming FLA doesn't shut down like the governor is being pressured to do.
So I say, F U Coronavirus!!! >:( >:( >:(
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Okay, politics aside. I understand the social responsibility aspect that comes with this pandemic. And those precautions should be taken. However, I find it ironic that there are those hunters that preach social responsibility but can still justify their own personal hunts. And before the firebombs start flying I realize that the government has said outdoor recreation is a good thing with minimal risk. Do your thing...
I too am having a hard time deciding on out of state trip. I'll know more by the end of March and will decide then.
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I drive truck. I have to work. So I'm planning on going on the trips I've planned out. Going state to state for me is just a normal day.
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Falltoms - I appreciate you and your fellow drivers keeping our supply chain up and running. From feeder parts and foods to warehousing to production to paper towels arriving at the front door, its all appreciated!
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I’ll never get shy anyone w any brains at all votes Democrat. They’re as against us as can be. Have zero facts on their side. Only want to present their side. The second you show them real facts they throw temper tantrums n leave the discussion they’re losing again.
Now everyone be safe. Follow the recommendations and don’t panic. It clouds decisions.
Couple things guys don’t talk about are mail and deliveries. Think about them too guys
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I will continue too hunt in FL where I live. But we’ll see about my SD hunt in May. If I have to cancel my May hunt then things have seriously gone off the rails and turkey hunting will be the last thing on my mind.
I wish we could have 100 yds social distancing at the WMA I hunted last weekend.
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Falltoms - I appreciate you and your fellow drivers keeping our supply chain up and running. From feeder parts and foods to warehousing to production to paper towels arriving at the front door, its all appreciated!
FDA Thank you kindly Pa Box Call. Much appreciated
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Very good advice. A lot of folks will downplay it and say it is media driven or politics driven, but this is going to be a long, devastating ride before it is done.
While everything you said, and the sentiments expressed in this entire post are accurate, don't forget that it truly is the Democrats and the main stream media, which is the propaganda arm of the Democrat party, fueling the panic with misinformation and hysteria. The more harmful this virus is to the American people, and to the US economy, it is a boon to the Democrat politicians.
They are using anything and everything they can to try to take down President Trump and keep him from getting re-elected. So while the virus is real, and serious precautions need to be taken, never forget that the panic related to the virus has been manufactured by the Democrats.
(https://i.imgur.com/UjX92Ib.jpg)
This is totally accurate. Sad but true
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I still don’t understand how turkey hunting in anyway makes a difference. You either have it or you don’t. If you don’t you shouldn’t be bare handing anything, if you do your supposed to be on deaths door so you probably ain’t going anywhere. If your anti symptomatic you don’t know you have it so are still frightened of gas pumps, shadows and small children so your saftey precautions would keep you from passing it on to others unintentionally.
Y’all just have to stop licking winders and door knobs until this is over. Just don’t wear camo when your out getting gas or groceries while hunting. It is a proven fact you are 77.999% more likely to catch/spread the virus if “IT” knows your on a hunting trip. If you pretend to be just stocking up the toilet paper bunker the virus will not take any notice of you.
Clearly hunting or driving to hunting places is the root cause of this crisis. Please be responsible.
And vote Democrat....how else we gonna get free stuff for doing nothing?
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Louisiana Governor John Edwards said yesterday his state has the highest rate of increase of COVID-19 anywhere. I think I understand why now...
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Louisiana Governor John Edwards said yesterday his state has the highest rate of increase of COVID-19 anywhere. I think I understand why now...
I doubt it
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Very good advice. A lot of folks will downplay it and say it is media driven or politics driven, but this is going to be a long, devastating ride before it is done.
While everything you said, and the sentiments expressed in this entire post are accurate, don't forget that it truly is the Democrats and the main stream media, which is the propaganda arm of the Democrat party, fueling the panic with misinformation and hysteria. The more harmful this virus is to the American people, and to the US economy, it is a boon to the Democrat politicians.
They are using anything and everything they can to try to take down President Trump and keep him from getting re-elected. So while the virus is real, and serious precautions need to be taken, never forget that the panic related to the virus has been manufactured by the Democrats.
(https://i.imgur.com/UjX92Ib.jpg)
What Jim said.
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I have permission to hunt probably one the best if not the best places within a 50 mile radius but am considering pounding it out on public ground for the simple fact some of the guys I hunt with are older and have serious underlying conditions that would almost certainly prove fatal if they contracted this virus. Likewise I have older parents with health conditions that I'm looking after. They are not allowed to go to the store or anything else. If they need something I'll get it and Clorox the hell out of it before I give it over. These are scary times and we all need to love thy neighbor
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I have permission to hunt probably one the best if not the best places within a 50 mile radius but am considering pounding it out on public ground for the simple fact some of the guys I hunt with are older and have serious underlying conditions that would almost certainly prove fatal if they contracted this virus. Likewise I have older parents with health conditions that I'm looking after. They are not allowed to go to the store or anything else. If they need something I'll get it and Clorox the hell out of it before I give it over. These are scary times and we all need to love thy neighbor
That's awesome of you. :icon_thumright:
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kylongspur88, that's an admirable attitude and I might add the same question that was asked of Jesus, and who is your neighbor? Then he told the story of the good Samaritan. The story is found in Luke10:25-37. As an older person with heart problems and asthma I do have concern over the covid-19, but would I want my young neighbor to be impoverished or loose his home, no. Somewhere there is a balance of doing what we can to protect as many as possible, but as a high risk person I say don't use protecting me as an excuse to wreck the whole country/world. I think there are ways to provide reasonable prevention and still function. I have had a good and blessed life, I'll be ok whatever happens. I would rather my children have the same great opportunities to live in a great country as I did, not have to suffer through a broken and harsh existence. I think we'll recover, but these viruses will show up again,, they historically have....we can't do this every 7 years. Yes, do what you can even if you have to give something up. Let's be serious, is a turkey worth risking someones life?
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the politics some people in washington are playing right now are absolutely sickening.
the country is in peril and they're worried about their portfolios or special interest groups. traitors that should be tried as such
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the politics some people in washington are playing right now are absolutely sickening.
the country is in peril and they're worried about their portfolios or special interest groups. traitors that should be tried as such
Amazing isn’t it
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'bout tired of backward thinking trying to make the virus fit the available treatment capacity. The American way to gear up to fight, not try to hide. You can't hide. Most people will get it. Few will die. All these people not working could be quickly put to work making face masks and respirators to increase capacity and shorten the period of threat.
All this flatten the curve nonsense will increase the duration of the viral threat, tank the economy and make suffering and lost more widespread than the virus only ever could.
The government needs to get out of the way with regulation and taxation so people can fight this thing.
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'bout tired of backward thinking trying to make the virus fit the available treatment capacity. The American way to gear up to fight, not try to hide. You can't hide. Most people will get it. Few will die. All these people not working could be quickly put to work making face masks and respirators to increase capacity and shorten the period of threat.
All this flatten the curve nonsense will increase the duration of the viral threat, tank the economy and make suffering and lost more widespread than the virus only ever could.
The government needs to get out of the way with regulation and taxation so people can fight this thing.
we live in a completely interconnected global economy and community now. we've been told this is for the best. we've also shown how scared we are and how quickly we're willing to submit. this won't be the last crisis
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'bout tired of backward thinking trying to make the virus fit the available treatment capacity. The American way to gear up to fight, not try to hide. You can't hide. Most people will get it. Few will die. All these people not working could be quickly put to work making face masks and respirators to increase capacity and shorten the period of threat.
All this flatten the curve nonsense will increase the duration of the viral threat, tank the economy and make suffering and lost more widespread than the virus only ever could.
The government needs to get out of the way with regulation and taxation so people can fight this thing.
Yeah that "get it over" strategy is working real well in Italy. Flatten the curve is to make sure a) enough people that need to can be treated and b)other people don't die of other diseases because the healthcare system is overwhelmed. These are not opinions. These are facts. It is Philadelphia vs Louisville in the Spanish Flu epidemic. Those that do not study history are doomed to repeat it.
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'bout tired of backward thinking trying to make the virus fit the available treatment capacity. The American way to gear up to fight, not try to hide. You can't hide. Most people will get it. Few will die. All these people not working could be quickly put to work making face masks and respirators to increase capacity and shorten the period of threat.
All this flatten the curve nonsense will increase the duration of the viral threat, tank the economy and make suffering and lost more widespread than the virus only ever could.
The government needs to get out of the way with regulation and taxation so people can fight this thing.
Yeah that "get it over" strategy is working real well in Italy. Flatten the curve is to make sure a) enough people that need to can be treated and b)other people don't die of other diseases because the healthcare system is overwhelmed. These are not opinions. These are facts. It is Philadelphia vs Louisville in the Spanish Flu epidemic. Those that do not study history are doomed to repeat it.
Glad to see someone gets it. Being a tough guy and fighting the virus because that's what Americans do is a is a perfect way to spread the virus and overload the healthcare system. If we wait until the numbers are bad to do anything it will be far too late. If this thing does not end up being as bad as predicted in will be BECAUSE of the isolating efforts not in spite of them.
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'bout tired of backward thinking trying to make the virus fit the available treatment capacity. The American way to gear up to fight, not try to hide. You can't hide. Most people will get it. Few will die. All these people not working could be quickly put to work making face masks and respirators to increase capacity and shorten the period of threat.
All this flatten the curve nonsense will increase the duration of the viral threat, tank the economy and make suffering and lost more widespread than the virus only ever could.
The government needs to get out of the way with regulation and taxation so people can fight this thing.
I have friends that are ER docs, and they initially felt the same way (as did I)...
But as it currently stands, we do not have the physical resources to fight this infection if it were to take off quickly. We are not producing our own pharmaceuticals, nor are we producing much of our own emergency medical equipment, we do not have enough beds, or respirators, and we would have no way of providing resources (such as food or clean water) to those that were not ill if a large percentage of the population were to get this infection simultaneously.
Now, imagine enough people sick that there is no means for adequate health care, no stores open to purchase food, a diminished police force, and desperate people trying to get resources to survive with their families, in a country as large and diverse as the U.S. That is what we are trying to avoid... Worst case scenario for sure, but not implausible.
Talking to my friends in medicine, and following as much of the relevant information I can, it is widely thought that this infection will eventually be endemic... Meaning that most American will have come in contact with this infection at some time... The current goal is slow the curve, and bide some time in hopes of coming up with treatments, and eventually a vaccine.
The UK was initially attempting a strategy called "managed spread" hoping to create "herd immunity" and shorten the length of economic catastrophe... But, apparently, they came to the realization that they do not have the resources to deal with the high numbers of sick people all at once either, and their strategy model has changed to prevention of spread.
As to the current politics... I have always felt that there was a benefit to the two-party system, in that when an idea is passed by both sides it is generally a good idea, and very often poor or partisan ideas do not get passed... And while I feel that Trump is in no way a perfect president, the hatred of him from the dems, is creating an extremely dangerous partisan situation, which is now endangering both the health and economy of the nation...
Currently there is no such thing as a moderate, and if this partisan BS does not stop now, I fear that we could potentially be facing other issues outside of this virus... The hatred of the far left towards anyone on the right, and the hatred of the right towards the far left is becoming an unhealthy political and philosophical divide....
As a moderate, the progressive pork positions that the current dems are trying to push through will not help the country, and will NOT pull us together as a nation.
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"Now, imagine enough people sick that there is no means for adequate health care, no stores open to purchase food"
This is EXACTLY what is happening in Italy and New York City.
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"Now, imagine enough people sick that there is no means for adequate health care, no stores open to purchase food"
This is EXACTLY what is happening in Italy and New York City.
Country people have food.
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Right. Sorry. I really only meant to include healthcare in the quote. Food supplies are not an issue for much of the US at any point.
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This could easily get to where the cure is worse than the virus. Lose tens of thousands to see virus or lose tens of thousands to starvation and suicide in a major world wide depression.
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'bout tired of backward thinking trying to make the virus fit the available treatment capacity. The American way to gear up to fight, not try to hide. You can't hide. Most people will get it. Few will die. All these people not working could be quickly put to work making face masks and respirators to increase capacity and shorten the period of threat.
All this flatten the curve nonsense will increase the duration of the viral threat, tank the economy and make suffering and lost more widespread than the virus only ever could.
The government needs to get out of the way with regulation and taxation so people can fight this thing.
I have friends that are ER docs, and they initially felt the same way (as did I)...
But as it currently stands, we do not have the physical resources to fight this infection if it were to take off quickly. We are not producing our own pharmaceuticals, nor are we producing much of our own emergency medical equipment, we do not have enough beds, or respirators, and we would have no way of providing resources (such as food or clean water) to those that were not ill if a large percentage of the population were to get this infection simultaneously.
Now, imagine enough people sick that there is no means for adequate health care, no stores open to purchase food, a diminished police force, and desperate people trying to get resources to survive with their families, in a country as large and diverse as the U.S. That is what we are trying to avoid... Worst case scenario for sure, but not implausible.
Talking to my friends in medicine, and following as much of the relevant information I can, it is widely thought that this infection will eventually be endemic... Meaning that most American will have come in contact with this infection at some time... The current goal is slow the curve, and bide some time in hopes of coming up with treatments, and eventually a vaccine.
The UK was initially attempting a strategy called "managed spread" hoping to create "herd immunity" and shorten the length of economic catastrophe... But, apparently, they came to the realization that they do not have the resources to deal with the high numbers of sick people all at once either, and their strategy model has changed to prevention of spread.
As to the current politics... I have always felt that there was a benefit to the two-party system, in that when an idea is passed by both sides it is generally a good idea, and very often poor or partisan ideas do not get passed... And while I feel that Trump is in no way a perfect president, the hatred of him from the dems, is creating an extremely dangerous partisan situation, which is now endangering both the health and economy of the ...
Currently there is no such thing as a moderate, and if this partisan BS does not stop now, I fear that we could potentially be facing other issues outside of this virus... The hatred of the far left towards anyone on the right, and the hatred of the right towards the far left is becoming an unhealthy political and philosophical divide....
As a moderate, the progressive pork positions that the current dems are trying to push through will not help the country, and will NOT pull us together as a .
Right. We have not currently got the capacity and so must develop it. Government of any flavor is not capable of solving this. Printing enough money to float everyone for three months without sending the country into economic chaos isn't possible. "Flattening the curve" and intentionally entering economic depression will result in more death.
A car manufacturer stopping production of vehicles to make ventilators to is the kind of solution we have. There is an awful lot of labor sitting idle which could be put to work if everyone weren't scared witless and blocked by government regulation. Get .gov out of the way so private companies can provide aggressive testing to find out who to quarantine like Iceland and South Korea. Same for equipment to treat people instead of just letting them die like Italy. Citing a bad example and wanting to just try to do it "better" is insanity.
But, and I hate to repeat it here, but but BUT not working for months is not an option. A long hot summer on rice and beans and no a/c or adequate hygiene will kill some of these old people just as dead as any virus anyhow.
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I see what you are saying howl and that makes more sense. We have to solve this without permanently crippling the economy that will kill off more folks as well. It is a delicate balancing act and there are no easy solutions. Glad we have someone in office that sees the ability of the private sector to help the country instead of just throwing money at it.
LOL Warrent. Typical.
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Very good advice. A lot of folks will downplay it and say it is media driven or politics driven, but this is going to be a long, devastating ride before it is done.
While everything you said, and the sentiments expressed in this entire post are accurate, don't forget that it truly is the Democrats and the main stream media, which is the propaganda arm of the Democrat party, fueling the panic with misinformation and hysteria. The more harmful this virus is to the American people, and to the US economy, it is a boon to the Democrat politicians.
They are using anything and everything they can to try to take down President Trump and keep him from getting re-elected. So while the virus is real, and serious precautions need to be taken, never forget that the panic related to the virus has been manufactured by the Democrats.
Agreed JimBo! They are the real Virus. Now they are withholding aid, something they tried to impeach the president for SMH! ???
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Are some of you fellas serious?? It may take missing a few turkey hunts around home , or missing a out of state hunt to protect your family. Nobody loves chasing the spring more then me , and I mean nobody ... but my family’s well being comes lst ! Some of you better get your head out the sand ! Making light of this mess as some of you are is just ludicrous!
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Short of either hospitalization or death, I have and will be Spring Turkey Hunting on into at least the second Sunday in May, regardless of national or state seasonal shutdown. NOTHING or NOBODY will keep me from hunting Gobblers in the Spring. Turkey hunting is what I live for.
Agreed
NOBODY has even tried to explain how a solo Turkey hunter is going to add to the risk. All you experts in “China flu” get together and get me an answer by tomorrow if you can, or just shut lol. Are y’all trying to tell me you are not going anywhere gas station,grocery store,pharmacy etc. just sitting in your TP bunker working on “curve flattening charts”? The Government said don’t hoard food just by a weeks supply. So what are all you responsible citizens gonna do in a week or 15 days or next Sept.( time frame depends on which news show is doing the hyping). Unless your gonna stay in the TP bunker till Pelosi let’s you out, you will be taking and contributing the same risk as a turkey hunter.
On top of all that not everyone drives a truck that gets 3 miles a gallon, or requires a whole bag of donuts, and a case on Mountain Dew to hunt from daylight till 9:30. I usually hunt all day and don’t need to stop anywhere. There’s not been a single case of “bat stew flu” in my parish, maybe everyone here doesn’t lick door knobs?
Finally y’all need to realize some of us are not scared of this virus. And some of us take Hunting Turkeys serous.
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The above proves my case and point ... ^
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The above proves my case and point ... ^
So that’s gonna be a NO on any answer to the question? Got it. Have fun in the bunker I hope the Democrats don’t forget some of you lol
Ps I heard 3 Gobblers this morning and none of them had the flu!
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The above proves my case and point ... ^
So that’s gonna be a NO on any answer to the question? Got it. Have fun in the bunker I hope the Democrats don’t forget some of you lol
Ps I heard 3 Gobblers this morning and none of them had the flu!
. Man , I pray you don’t catch this virus , seems you don’t have many brain cells to spare . Ps, good luck in collecting 2 of the 3 gobblers you heard . Seems killing turkeys is very important to you .
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Nothing at all wrong with turkey hunting in the face of this. I have been. I have killed one. I stopped for fuel at an unmanned pump at 3:30 am. There is no one in my county with it, diagnosed anyway. I think a well planned out trip with consideration for if you have or have not likely been exposed is fine. I would not travel to or through an area with a high number. If I lived in an area with a high incidence, I would not travel somewhere with a low incidence, but that is because I am not scared of getting it as much as I am spreading it.
We are following safety guidelines from experts at my workplace. We were well stocked with safety equipment prior to this as we use it on a routine basis.
I think that someone that cares about humans will worry more about spreading than contracting. Have consideration and follow safety guidelines and you should be fine. Some folks only care about themselves and their immediate gratification and hopefully their ignorance and indifference will not harm others.
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The above proves my case and point ... ^
So that’s gonna be a NO on any answer to the question? Got it. Have fun in the bunker I hope the Democrats don’t forget some of you lol
Ps I heard 3 Gobblers this morning and none of them had the flu!
. Man , I pray you don’t catch this virus , seems you don’t have many brain cells to spare . Ps, good luck in collecting 2 of the 3 gobblers you heard . Seems killing turkeys is very important to you .
Seems if you had many brain cells you could come up an answer to the question. Your obviously scarred silly about it and have locked yourself up with the TP and microwave noodles, I would think with all that time on your hands you could figure out an answer you being so smart? If nothing else can you verify that you have enough supplies that you will not be leaving the fort for two months? Lol
I wouldn’t be to concerned with me catching the virus I’ll be fine, you may want to pray for them 3 Gobblers though.
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The above proves my case and point ... ^
How come it is ok for us to go to work,but not turkey hunt?
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Short of either hospitalization or death, I have and will be Spring Turkey Hunting on into at least the second Sunday in May, regardless of national or state seasonal shutdown. NOTHING or NOBODY will keep me from hunting Gobblers in the Spring. Turkey hunting is what I live for.
Agreed
NOBODY has even tried to explain how a solo Turkey hunter is going to add to the risk. All you experts in “China flu” get together and get me an answer by tomorrow if you can, or just shut lol. Are y’all trying to tell me you are not going anywhere gas station,grocery store,pharmacy etc. just sitting in your TP bunker working on “curve flattening charts”? The Government said don’t hoard food just by a weeks supply. So what are all you responsible citizens gonna do in a week or 15 days or next Sept.( time frame depends on which news show is doing the hyping). Unless your gonna stay in the TP bunker till Pelosi let’s you out, you will be taking and contributing the same risk as a turkey hunter.
On top of all that not everyone drives a truck that gets 3 miles a gallon, or requires a whole bag of donuts, and a case on Mountain Dew to hunt from daylight till 9:30. I usually hunt all day and don’t need to stop anywhere. There’s not been a single case of “bat stew flu” in my parish, maybe everyone here doesn’t lick door knobs?
Finally y’all need to realize some of us are not scared of this virus. And some of us take Hunting Turkeys serous.
A solo hunter wouldn't . The problem would be the amount of hunters that could go I would guess.
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The above proves my case and point ... ^
How come it is ok for us to go to work,but not turkey hunt?
You are an essential worker, keeping medicine, food, water moving or the general public safe.
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"Now, imagine enough people sick that there is no means for adequate health care, no stores open to purchase food"
This is EXACTLY what is happening in Italy and New York City.
Country people have food.
For now. If folks in the city panic and run out of recourses they will head to the sticks in droves. The local farm to fork places here are already out of meat and eggs. The panic buying is rediculous but then again most people aren't exactly rational when confronted with a real danger or prospect of adversity
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"For now. If folks in the city panic and run out of recourses they will head to the sticks in droves. The local farm to fork places here are already out of meat and eggs. The panic buying is rediculous but then again most people aren't exactly rational when confronted with a real danger or prospect of adversity"
this is why the fear mongering and politics needs to end. this IS a threat, but lets work together, be safe, follow guidelines and get through this as one. the virus is surely a danger but us finding unnecessary enemies and panicking is the real danger to our society and economy
hopefully after this has passed more people will realize how amazing we have it in this country and won't take things for granted anymore.
things as simple as MLB baseball don't matter in the big picture, but i will be so thankful if they're able to play this year
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The above proves my case and point ... ^
How come it is ok for us to go to work,but not turkey hunt?
You are an essential worker, keeping medicine, food, water moving or the general public safe.
If I'm essential enough they can risk me for others a little Gobbler hunting ain't gonna hurt me now is it??? :funnyturkey:
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The above proves my case and point ... ^
How come it is ok for us to go to work,but not turkey hunt?
I don't think anyone is advocating not turkey hunting that I have seen. Unless I missed a post somewhere from someone I am ignoring. It is fine to turkey hunt. I think that is one of the safest endeavors to do. Use some sense and plan ahead, don't be around anyone. Wash your hands before entering or leaving any place where you are forced to human contact. Don't go to places that have a high incidence. If someone is traveling across the country, they are going to have to stop somewhere and they are going to have to go home. I think if we are considerate of other's safety we should be fine. If you have been exposed to someone with it, STAY HOME for 14 days! Period.
I did not go to Canada in 2018 because of Michael. Not because I could not have, but I could not leave my family and my work without power and I could not leave the people in my community that needed help. I was on top of roofs drying them in, clearing debris to people's houses with chainsaw and tractor, clearing debris, etc. I do not regret missing it one bit.
What I have seen here is people advocating safety and consideration and if need be, a willingness to give up something they love dearly if that is what is best for others. They should be applauded instead of ridiculed. But to each their own.
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Ya. How about Illinois? I get to go there tomorrow? Ain't been there in over a year. Gee what a coincidence. Then the people your trying to feed bought all the damn hand sanitizer and gloves to boot. Lmao..im a gonner...
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I see posters here complaining about "scare tactics" being used by the media and the party they don't like to convince us we are in a serious situation. Is this a scare tactic by our President, "there will be 'suicides by the thousands' if the US coronavirus shutdown continues"?
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I can't control others, let alone states.
People I am trying to feed? Or you are trying to feed? ya lost me there brother.
My BIL made his own sanitizer with Aloe and 70% Iso alcohol he bought. Pretty ingenious!
I am not advocating closing anything, not sure why some folks are getting so bent at folks that just want others to be safe. Maybe I am misunderstanding.
Good luck and hope you get to hunt. I am headed to bed, we have one we gonna go after in the morning. I heard him the day I killed mine and he wants to take a truck ride.
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Ya. How about Illinois? I get to go there tomorrow? Ain't been there in over a year. Gee what a coincidence. Then the people your trying to feed bought all the damn hand sanitizer and gloves to boot. Lmao..im a gonner...
Headed my way. I'm thinking of going bowfishing tomorrow
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I see posters here complaining about "scare tactics" being used by the media and the party they don't like to convince us we are in a serious situation. Is this a scare tactic by our President, "there will be 'suicides by the thousands' if the US coronavirus shutdown continues"?
Only if he can scare democrats & liberals into suicide. Us Republicans have nothing to worry about. :icon_thumright:
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The above proves my case and point ... ^
How come it is ok for us to go to work,but not turkey hunt?
You are an essential worker, keeping medicine, food, water moving or the general public safe.
If I'm essential enough they can risk me for others a little Gobbler hunting ain't gonna hurt me now is it??? :funnyturkey:
You wouldn't think so . But the states, counties etc. decide what is and what is not ok for you to do.
If they enforce it.
My papers say nothing about hunting fishing and lovin everyday. Just going to work.
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Ya. How about Illinois? I get to go there tomorrow? Ain't been there in over a year. Gee what a coincidence. Then the people your trying to feed bought all the damn hand sanitizer and gloves to boot. Lmao..im a gonner...
Headed my way. I'm thinking of going bowfishing tomorrow
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Sounds like fun. My son forgot my words of wisdom to not dry fire his today. Got home and has his messed up now.
He's my Dennis the Menace sometimes.
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The above proves my case and point ... ^
So that’s gonna be a NO on any answer to the question? Got it. Have fun in the bunker I hope the Democrats don’t forget some of you lol
Ps I heard 3 Gobblers this morning and none of them had the flu!
. Man , I pray you don’t catch this virus , seems you don’t have many brain cells to spare . Ps, good luck in collecting 2 of the 3 gobblers you heard . Seems killing turkeys is very important to you .
Seems if you had many brain cells you could come up an answer to the question. Your obviously scarred silly about it and have locked yourself up with the TP and microwave noodles, I would think with all that time on your hands you could figure out an answer you being so smart? If nothing else can you verify that you have enough supplies that you will not be leaving the fort for two months? Lol
I wouldn’t be to concerned with me catching the virus I’ll be fine, you may want to pray for them 3 Gobblers though.
. I’m not saying you shouldn’t go hunting , I’m just saying it sounds as if your making light of this virus . Be safe and smart is what I’m screaming. It’s gotten real , really quick around my world . And my cummunity. Ps . The La limit is 2 .... not 3 , sincerely hope you get em
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Some historical data and some additional information to lend perspective. Take it for what it’s worth...
From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010 in the United States alone, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases, 274,304 hospitalizations, and 12,469 deaths in the US due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus. Additionally, CDC estimated that up to 575,000 people worldwide died from (H1N1)pdm09 virus infection during just the first year of the virus.
The world did not stop, countries did not shut down, businesses and shops did not close, the markets did not crash, the FED did not cut rates by 100 basis points down to 0%, travel was not halted, businesses did not close, the Supreme Court did not shut down, public and private events were not banned, people did not go home from work, etc. The same can be said about the 1957 H2N2 pandemic, and the 1968 H3N2 pandemic.
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you may want to pray for them 3 Gobblers though.
. Ps . The La limit is 2 .... not 3 , sincerely hope you get em
Uhh yea I’m fully aware what the La limit is, so you only gonna pray for which two Gobblers? Lol
Besides who said I was starting in La?
Hope you and yours make it thru this mess....but don’t let fear rule your whole life.
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I hunt NJ and NY. New Jersey has an executive order in place with a list of exceptions where you can leave your home. The one that applies to hunting and fishing states: (engaging in outdoor activities (social distance permitting). Until this is over, me and my wife will stay home other than going for groceries. She works from home, I am retired. Both our vehicles tanks are full. I will be turkey hunting solo, not stopping between home and my spots. I am the only one that goes to the market when we need food. We stocked up 2 fridges to the Max. There is no possible way my hunting will put the public in danger. I hunt very deep into the woods, thus any contact is not possible. We all can enjoy our sport, and not effect the public if we adhere to the temporary guidelines. Be safe, enjoy....we will prevail.
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Not trying to down play what is going on, but look at the statistics of this on a daily basis, the overall decrease in the mortality rate, and how skewed previous statistics are by comparing Italy and China’s trends to the USA (the comparison can not be made, this should be an easy concept for all to understand). I feel that as a country, few people are grasping the facts with this.
Going in to a true depression from shutting down our economy/halting cash flow will be detrimental. That will kill more, and impact more lives, than the virus. The current mortality rate from this virus is slightly over 1% in the US. In reality it is even lower as not all cases are tested. We will see significantly higher numbers of lives lost if we destroy our economy due to this. Economic depression will lead to alcoholism, drug addiction, malnutrition, mental health consequences and suicide, divorce, and a indirect decrease in life expectancy for many as a result of a poorer society. A poorer society as a whole will lead future generations and current young generations to be less educated and have less access to quality healthcare. This does not bring in to account the lives that will be lost as a result of less medical research, altered food system supply chains, and many other items that pile on. The results are a snowball when you tank the economy. We will not recover from a true depression for a decade or more.
People need to press on with keeping cash flowing from hand to hand. There is far more to lose in terms of overall well being and actual lives if we destroy our economy. Our economy is what supports the American Dream and the ways of life that make our country so special. People literally come here from other nations in droves wanting better lives. I’ve been surprised how few people recognize the threat we face if we continue down the path of literally halting almost all economic activity. I’m not asking anyone to ignore the virus, and I pray that not another single life is lost from ANY of it. But as a country we really need to think about the long term affects here.
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X2 We must balance the medical issues with the economic issues and I pray
we have the right man in the WH and the right people advising him to do
just that.
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Here’s the way I see it to try and add some simplicity to all of this. Everyone has their opinion and that’s fine. Without going off on any wild limbs, here are the recommendations set forth by doctors and scientists a lot smarter than us. 15 days TO SLOW THE SPREAD is all that’s been recommended to this point. The entire country bought into that, and the world followed. The “smart folks” know this will spread, we’re just working on SLOWING that spread so people who don’t have to die...don’t die. That’s as simple as I can make it.
As for how one single person going turkey hunting can hurt folks here is your example. You walked into the grocery store to get everything you needed for the weekend. You touched the door handle that 200 people touched in the last day. You don’t know where those other 200 people have been so they are passing their germs into you. You then need gas so you go to the gas pump and touch the handle that lets say 50 people have touched in the last day. You don’t know where they’ve been so those germs also pass onto you. You live in a bigger town, travel to a smaller town, and fill up before hitting the hills, effectively spreading whatever your town had to the other town without ever knowing it. Lots of transmission for three simple stops. I don’t want it to be doom and gloom but a few (or maybe just one) of you are caught up on how one turkey hunter can possibly be a problem. Well that’s how.
As for myself, I live in Wyoming and have to travel multiple hours for every turkey hunt. My plan is to make as few stops as possible and try to be as responsible and polite as I can along the way. I bought rubber gloves for the gas pumps. Not to act like a germophobe freak but to try and do my part to not put myself or anyone else in danger. Don the glove at the pump and throw the glove away when finished. It’s what I’ve been doing around here when I’ve gone fishing a couple times or whatever. Try to make as few stops as possible, be safe, keep up my quality of life by still doing things I enjoy away from people.
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Here’s the way I see it to try and add some simplicity to all of this. Everyone has their opinion and that’s fine. Without going off on any wild limbs, here are the recommendations set forth by doctors and scientists a lot smarter than us. 15 days TO SLOW THE SPREAD is all that’s been recommended to this point. The entire country bought into that, and the world followed. The “smart folks” know this will spread, we’re just working on SLOWING that spread so people who don’t have to die...don’t die. That’s as simple as I can make it.
As for how one single person going turkey hunting can hurt folks here is your example. You walked into the grocery store to get everything you needed for the weekend. You touched the door handle that 200 people touched in the last day. You don’t know where those other 200 people have been so they are passing their germs into you. You then need gas so you go to the gas pump and touch the handle that lets say 50 people have touched in the last day. You don’t know where they’ve been so those germs also pass onto you. You live in a bigger town, travel to a smaller town, and fill up before hitting the hills, effectively spreading whatever your town had to the other town without ever knowing it. Lots of transmission for three simple stops. I don’t want it to be doom and gloom but a few (or maybe just one) of you are caught up on how one turkey hunter can possibly be a problem. Well that’s how.
As for myself, I live in Wyoming and have to travel multiple hours for every turkey hunt. My plan is to make as few stops as possible and try to be as responsible and polite as I can along the way. I bought rubber gloves for the gas pumps. Not to act like a germophobe freak but to try and do my part to not put myself or anyone else in danger. Don the glove at the pump and throw the glove away when finished. It’s what I’ve been doing around here when I’ve gone fishing a couple times or whatever. Try to make as few stops as possible, be safe, keep up my quality of life by still doing things I enjoy away from people.
So your still going fishing or hunting ? So your doing the same thing the turkey hunters are doing.Your example would make sense if it wasn’t stupid. YOU have to make 3 stops to go hunting., I don’t . So you’re doing more to spread the virus than me lol. You may also have to be scared but I don’t. I’m not sure what is so difficult to comprehend unless everyone stays penned up it has a chance to spread. And everyone is not. You may believe the government and doctors are all really smart. a lot smarter than you, well that is probably true. The governor of NewYork said they may charter s flight to CHINA to pick up medical supplies, sounds like a genus too me. Governor of La and anyone with a radio or tv knew New Orleans had the only virus cases for a while, then this genus waits until it gets good and spread around the state to shut everything down. Seems like a smart person would have quarantined that filthy sewer that is NO before it spread. There’s plenty of doctors that are not feeding this panic but they are being drown out by the doom croakers.
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Yes I’m still going fishing and hunting. I thought I made that perfectly clear, along with being clear about the precautions I am taking or plan on taking.
YOU asked how one person going turkey hunting can possibly hurt. I told you how. For the person who walks out their back door to turkey hunt this probably doesn’t apply. However you inferred you were going out of state to kill a bird or two...or 10. It’s not feasible to not make at least 3 stops.
I’m not scared of this thing anymore than you are. Like most id rather just get it and get it over with. However, I can understand the threat of overwhelming the healthcare system and doing what we can to help IF the entire country and world is going to buy into this thing, which they have. It sounds like our president wants to ramp things up again sometime in April. Slow the spread which means we saccrifice the economy taking a hit for a while. Ramp back up when the healthcare system can handle it.
I will no longer be involved in this pissing match. I just wanted to bring to light how one person can in fact spread it, and how someone who is a traveling turkey hunter (me) is going to go about my travels in the coming weeks.
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All it takes is to carry a container of disinfectant wipes or spray and clean the handles, gas pumps or whatever before and after, it's that simple. I went to the grocery this morning and I took wipes with me and wrapped them around the cart handle. Didn't touch any product I didn't buy. I used self check out and wiped down the check out area when I was done. The store attendant came over and thanked me for doing so.
Let's just be friendly and help however we can. we all want this to pass as soon as possible. Every suggestion is worth sharing.
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Where I get gas they give you a disinfectant wipe when you pay for your gas. I have no stop to where I hunt also. Practice good hand washing and try and be anti social.
Rick
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No single activity is better or worse than another because it really comes down to transmission, or level of contagious, and probability. There was some interesting statistics on prior pandemics and the response was not as sever as this one. I thought about that and wondered why then I remembered either Birx or Fauci stated that contagion of this virus is greater than H1N1 so the need to flatten the curve to prevent further spread. So then probability comes into play that the more people you come into contact with the greater your chance of contracting the virus. If you have bad luck you could be engaged an essential trip such as to the grocery , work for those that are essential , and come in contact with an effected person you are exposed, whereas, if you are turkey hunting with no exposure to any other person your probability is very low to zero.
The economy will recover it always does and this is a finite limited time. I feel for those that are out of work due to this situation because they may not be able to recover as quickly. The bigger problem is how this effects the world economy and how fast other countries are recover. During the briefing last week Trump said several times the economy will bounce right back once this is over.
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This crisis can go a multitude of different ways ...the worst case scenario is ITALY ,SPAIN ETC ...well on it's way is nyc , where they busy doing a favorite socialist pastime of not accepting responsibility and blaming others ( with that said both the mayor and governor both insist on keeping the subway and bus system open ) those subways are so filthy and poorly ventilated, they are a gigantic disease petri dish o
A second scenario , we let people go back to work and school in short order and we have issues like new Orleans pop up , all its gonna take is 1 sick kid to go.to school and the whole town is infected with multiple deaths , and by the time ...you get the drift
3rd scenario, we lock down for a few more weeks , the stricken are identified , and the case load does a sharp decline....like what China is doing right now ...and they are whole RESPONSIBLE for this and should be held accountable ,
Going out of the house and going hunting , or whatever solo ...isnt going to do anyone or anything any harm , so long as you dont touch anything
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Amen my brother, amen.......
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It’s easy to look around and see how this crisis has brought out the worst in some people — from some entrepreneurs over charging to revelers crowding bars and restaurants despite public-health guidelines. But such irresponsible behavior, I believe, is more the exception than the rule. Time and again, individuals, organizations, and communities have demonstrated that the worst situations tend to bring out the best in people and the organizations to which they belong. So I'm doing all I can to limit my exposure to others and I hope everyone else will, too, but I can see that there is a % of our population that is completely ignorant and irresponsible. They're the ones who are exacerbating the problem and will ultimately be responsible for more people dying. One of my buddies is always saying, "You can't fix stupid". That's what we have to deal with, unfortunately.
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This lengthy thread is a microcosm of society and I am very glad to see that the vast majority of folks are caring and considerate.
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What kills me is the New Yorkers fleeing the city, some unknowingly infected, and spreading the virus all over the place. Florida is placing many of them on quarantine, but one has to realize that is how it spreads. A scary disease. I’m going hunting alone and not stopping anywhere, coming and going.
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What kills me is the New Yorkers fleeing the city, some unknowingly infected, and spreading the virus all over the place. Florida is placing many of them on quarantine, but one has to realize that is how it spreads. A scary disease. I’m going hunting alone and not stopping anywhere, coming and going.
New York City residents, not New Yorker's, please don't put us all in the same box. Thank you.
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There is a fourth scenario to what OG mentioned and that is develop a vaccine and drugs to combat the symptoms/out breaks as they occur. The medical research is the US is some of the best in the world. The reports seem to indicate there is some hope in these areas.
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I think that in the midst of this virus taking over a lot of people have forgotten that other medical emergencies have not stopped. People are still having heart attacks, are in car accidents, having appendicitis, cutting a finger off with a skill-saw, getting bit by rattle snakes, falling & breaking a leg/hip, etc.
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Sooner or later we open business and life goes forward. The virus will spread and we will have a big spike. Early on they said pro a lying 60 percent get it.
I will travel to hunt if I can do so with reasonable safety. We will see what it looks like as my trip date approaches. So far my travel plans hAve been a bust, the virus being a partial factor.
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Keep our spirits up, we can get by this.........This is America my friends.......
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In Summary:
1) Listen to the professionals, not the naysayers (they might get you killed!)
2) Be smart,... not stubborn, arrogant, or influenced by your politics
3) Use your common sense!
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In Summary:
1) Listen to the professionals, not the naysayers (they might get you killed!)
2) Be smart,... not stubborn, arrogant, or influenced by your politics
3) Use your common sense!
This right here. Good advice for all to remember.
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In Summary:
1) Listen to the professionals, not the naysayers (they might get you killed!)
2) Be smart,... not stubborn, arrogant, or influenced by your politics
3) Use your common sense!
One of the best posts in this thread.
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I am hunting, I will limit interaction with strangers and social distancing is not very difficult. I need to buy food regardless of weather I am on a hunting trip so will exercise distance at the grocery store.
Gas stations I rarely go into so paying at the pump I can keep from spreading or contracting with some wipes or gloves. I can take pit stops to address the call of nature anywhere for the most part.
As far as the Dems, I could not agree more, but if you don't think repubs are a problem that is a whole other can of worms!
Be careful, hunt safe and enjoy the great outdoors!
I am staying away from people as much as possible. But real hard if you have to travel by plane. Tag out in Hawaii, more on that later. Head home tonight rest of hunting will be by auto. So have that figure out, I hope. And if I screw up and infect someone else I also will maybe have paid the price. Because I am getting up in age and have extra health problems.
As far as both parties go I think they both better learn to give and take better
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Hey what's that thing you call "common Sense", is that a new sub-species of turkey. You wouldn't have a picture of it would you? I don't believe I've seen many of those critters
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Hey what's that thing you call "common Sense", is that a new sub-species of turkey. You wouldn't have a picture of it would you? I don't believe I've seen many of those critters
:TooFunny:
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The problem with listening to the experts is, which expert you gonna listen too?
The Epidemiologist that came up with the 2.2 million dead in US figures and the 500k in UK now sayks after ONE day of quarantine in the UK 20,000 deaths are expected? The New York Times and a lot of others used his first prediction, because it sounded way worse. Another “expert” Dr. Gupta from Oxford says fewer than 1-1000 who’ve BEEN infected even become sick enough too need medical care with the VAST majority having MILD too NO symptoms.
You have the NewYork governor and Mayor crying apocalypse and people talking about “DNR” do not resuscitate policy’s in hospitals. Guess what that ain’t happening and NewYork hasn’t ran out of ventilators.
Then people say but Trump says! I doubt Trump is anymore worried about all this than I am, but he knows the weak minded sheep HAVE to be pacified to get re-elected, have too.
The reason for all the Governors crying is because they got a whiff of all the government money that will be handed out to the worst effected states. You can bet the farm the La Governor wants to paint the worst case possible in the chance La will get some extra money, that will eventually end up in his pocket. He has personally tried to whip this thing into a frenzy lying about infection rates that he now says were “predictions” when he first stated them as fact?
Here’s a fact not a single person is hospitalized or tested positive for the China flu in my Parish. Large parts of the US are also unaffected. Trump is ready to open up the US as soon as possible and the doom croakers and lazy people will get their free Gov check and go back to their jobs.
Places like NewYork and New Orleans will probably be in bad shape for awhile but both places are septic tanks of the world and are never without some kind of crisis. Because you can’t have that many sheep penned up in one spot ,Nature is constantly trying to thin them out. If it’s not this virus it would be AIDs or Hurricanes or gang shootings or whatever.
I think some people are only happy when they have some crisis to whine about or rally behind, watch and see when this is over they will have a new crisis in a week.
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Hmmm,...tough call here. Listen to the professionals and look at the evidence at hand,...or listen to the self-proclaimed expert? Possibly a death sentence on the line based on my decision? Gee,...I think I know who I'm going to go with.... :)
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NOT even close to being a La leg humper,like a few on this forum,but he has a valid point. Sean Payton, coach of the Saints, got it. He said he started to feel ill on Sunday and by Thursday he was good to go. Felt no signs of the respiratory effects. This is also what I have read,about 4-5 days and you feel fine. I get all my news from the weather channel and had to turn it off this a.m. Tired of the doom and gloom bs. Trump is handling this the same way Obama had to handle killing his home boy Usama. He has no choice.
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All I'm going to say on the matter is that I'm feeling very lucky to live in Canada where partisanship has evaporated in the legislature overnight and I have a dozen toms gobbling in the trees a 5 minute walk from my back door with only a month until opener and tons of private land I can hunt thanks to having farming neighbours who don't hunt themselves - two birds and no social contact with any person or establishment should be pretty simple with online licensing.
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Turdeau and his posse of libtards will bankrupt Canada yet, He really is a great drama teacher and a pos of a prime minister.I am so tired of those useless libtards in power,spend,spend,spend.
You have to be a complete retard not to stay away and distance yourself from what is happening,from what I have seen its the majority of the dumb libtards in the big cities like Toronto,Ottawa and Vancouver,all full of useless immigrants.Send them back to their 3rd world dumps and stop paying for them and their families to pollute our country and bring disease in to it.
Turdeau is nothing but a useless coward libtard.