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Turkey Guns & Shooting => 16, 28 , and .410 Turkey Gun Forum => Topic started by: Gobblerslobber on February 23, 2020, 06:53:49 PM

Title: Apex .410 9’s check your wads!
Post by: Gobblerslobber on February 23, 2020, 06:53:49 PM
Got the sumtoy mount for my 301T last week and went out Saturday to zero my venom. Backed up to 40 and noticed a slight drop in pellet count from what I was getting last season. Picked up a wad and was surprised to find 20-30 TSS wedged in the bottom. Factory choke and squeaky clean bore. Anyone else experienced this? 
Title: Re: Apex .410 9’s check your wads!
Post by: dustyroads on February 23, 2020, 07:25:45 PM
The federal TSS shells do this in my gun. Never had the issue with apex though. Are these the new for 2020 apex loads?
Title: Re: Apex .410 9’s check your wads!
Post by: Gobblerslobber on February 23, 2020, 07:40:24 PM
Yep, new 2020 loads. Any of you handloaders having this happen? Seems like a cork or felt spacer in the bottom of the wad would help.
Title: Re: Apex .410 9’s check your wads!
Post by: CoachK on February 24, 2020, 01:32:48 PM
Interesting. This past weekend I shot some Federal and Apex from last year. I had this issue with the Federal's but NOT the Apex's
Title: Re: Apex .410 9’s check your wads!
Post by: Gobblerslobber on February 24, 2020, 08:06:48 PM
I spoke with them on the phone today, they are aware of this and this was their response.  " Yes sir. We looked into putting something inside the wad and since Tungsten is so dense and hard it did that to everything we tried which is another reason we stepped up to the 7/8 load in the Ninja 410 to put extra pellets (about 14) to help combat that."
Title: Re: Apex .410 9’s check your wads!
Post by: Greg Massey on February 25, 2020, 09:19:51 PM
Very interesting ... thanks for sharing ...
Title: Re: Apex .410 9’s check your wads!
Post by: bowhunter2k9 on February 25, 2020, 10:24:43 PM
Quote from: Gobblerslobber on February 23, 2020, 06:53:49 PM
Got the sumtoy mount for my 301T last week and went out Saturday to zero my venom. Backed up to 40 and noticed a slight drop in pellet count from what I was getting last season. Picked up a wad and was surprised to find 20-30 TSS wedged in the bottom. Factory choke and squeaky clean bore. Anyone else experienced this?

I've seen this in my hand loads a few times. Cork or felt would help but depending on the load may not be a good option
Title: Re: Apex .410 9’s check your wads!
Post by: Buckrub on February 26, 2020, 07:29:19 PM
 WOW, maybe that's why my patterns weren't so good. I might have to ride back down to the range and see if any of the wads are still there !!!!

Went to the range this morning and found 5 of my wads with no trace of any pellets !!!
Title: Re: Apex .410 9’s check your wads!
Post by: ShootingABN! on April 01, 2020, 03:55:46 PM
I had 12/15 TSS in the wad of the new TSS in .410.

Really not happy with the pattern either. It's my 8 year old Son's gun. WE have to get a better pattern. I expected more out of TSS Apex and Federal, with a custom choke. Maybe I shouldn't have had it threaded.
Title: Re: Apex .410 9’s check your wads!
Post by: joey46 on April 06, 2020, 09:16:54 AM
I shot a bird last Thursday with the 301/Jebs choke/Apex Ninja 9 1/2 combo.  Seemed fine.  Before I left the property I took a target out of my truck and duplicated the shot to show any skeptical hunting buddies that 410s work.  It was a well in range 25 yard shot but I think the pattern is more than satisfactory.  Didn't look for the wad but I will next visit.  Now I'm curious since I patterned Federal 9s also and they were ok just not quite as good as the Ninjas.
Title: Re: Apex .410 9’s check your wads!
Post by: bigdan29299 on April 06, 2020, 07:31:28 PM
Had a similar experience today with feberal 9's.  I checked the 3 wads I could find all had about 12 pellets in them yet.

Here's the kicker though, at 20 yards we only had 244 pellets in a 33x40 piece of cardboard.  So if federals are about 295 pellets and I had about 256 total with pellets left in wads.    Where did the other 39-40 pellets go????
Title: Re: Apex .410 9’s check your wads!
Post by: rt2bowhunter on April 07, 2020, 06:07:42 PM
I have shot 5 Apex shells, Found all the wads zero pellets found. I'm shooting a Encore 45 410 pistol with a 15" barrel stock. At 20 yds i had 25 in the head and neck and 153 on a sheet of printer paper. At 30 yds i had 10in the head and neck and 63 on the printer paper.
Title: Re: Apex .410 9’s check your wads!
Post by: SumToy on April 10, 2020, 11:26:43 AM
I found this a few years ago with the Federal shells.    Now I have not shot any thing this year from any company so cant say.   I been saying this is why some guns get good numbers some dont.   I have one wad that has 24 shot stuck in it.   
Title: Re: Apex .410 9’s check your wads!
Post by: joey46 on April 12, 2020, 04:44:30 AM
Went back to the area I patterned and looked around. Found one wad. It did have one pellet buried in the wad.  One I won't worry about. Weird. Is this just a .410 thing?
Title: Re: Apex .410 9’s check your wads!
Post by: SumToy on April 12, 2020, 09:35:23 AM
In our test that is the only one.   I have found over the past few years the 410 is a very finky little gun.   
Title: Re: Apex .410 9’s check your wads!
Post by: JohnSouth22 on April 12, 2020, 01:22:12 PM
Unsure if this will help anyone but for those questioning the problem with the 410 pattern i was experiencing the same thing when shooting with a bead.  I quickly fixed this problem with a red dot sight(never used one before) and noticed that the pattern with plain bead was slightly to the left(stephens 410 signle shot). After shooting and tweaking the red dot sight I now have a comfortable pattern with 22 pellets in the head at 40 yards. Apex ninja 9.5 shot.  I think when shooting a subgauge you have such little room for error with the limited pellets you have you have to use a red dot to get your pattern truely hitting perfect.  since putting the red dot on 2 birds have been harvested at 23 then 38 yards.
Title: Re: Apex .410 9’s check your wads!
Post by: superx2 on April 12, 2020, 02:30:27 PM
Quote from: JohnSouth22 on April 12, 2020, 01:22:12 PM
Unsure if this will help anyone but for those questioning the problem with the 410 pattern i was experiencing the same thing when shooting with a bead.  I quickly fixed this problem with a red dot sight(never used one before) and noticed that the pattern with plain bead was slightly to the left(stephens 410 signle shot). After shooting and tweaking the red dot sight I now have a comfortable pattern with 22 pellets in the head at 40 yards. Apex ninja 9.5 shot.  I think when shooting a subgauge you have such little room for error with the limited pellets you have you have to use a red dot to get your pattern truely hitting perfect.  since putting the red dot on 2 birds have been harvested at 23 then 38 yards.

Not sure if you meant to put this here but it dose not pertain to the OP thread
Title: Re: Apex .410 9’s check your wads!
Post by: gesthuntn on May 24, 2020, 08:54:06 PM
I haven't noticed this but didn't pick up my wads this year. Maybe that was my problem.