Whats your favorite hunting vest? I have a Alps with the built in seat but its heavy. I have been thinking of going to hip or waist pack.
Ol Tom Easy Rider
Just a fanny pack for me. Ditched the a few years ago and haven't missed it a bit.
Quote from: guesswho on November 21, 2019, 05:35:16 PM
Just a fanny pack for me. Ditched the a few years ago and haven't missed it a bit.
I did the same, ditching the vest for a fanny pack. But I'm fickle sometimes so now I'm back to a K&H Run/Gun 300. Its really nice, lightweight, and good design.
For the last 5-7 years, my favorite vest has been no vest at all. Small waist pack and away I go.
When I was using a vest, my absolute favorite was the old 10X. Long discontinued............
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Quote from: guesswho on November 21, 2019, 05:35:16 PM
Just a fanny pack for me. Ditched the a few years ago and haven't missed it a bit.
I did the same, ditching the vest for a fanny pack. But I'm fickle sometimes so now I'm back to a K&H Run/Gun 300. Its really nice, lightweight, and good design.
I also have the K&H Run/Gun 300 but have not used it yet, gained some weight and it would not fit me. Losing weight again now, hope to use it this Spring.
If you're planning on carrying many birds out of the woods, any vest with a large game bag for me!
After try a bunch I've settled in the Cabelas tactical tat r.
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what Yoder409 said... old 10X , I have 2 still in good shape plan on using them untill there no longer usable
Any time I find a vest I really like I make a terrible mistake. I only buy the one. Turkey vests are like cars...they change them every year, and not necessarily for the better.
Cabela's tatr 2
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I don't have a favorite. Every vest I try has something I love about it AND something I hate about it.
I use the alps long spur. Lightweight and fits my style of turk hunting.
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Did away with the vest , got a Glenda Green Satchel , if you ever get one of her satchels you will ditch the vest tteel .... Look her up on facebook and you can see all the products she makes for us turkey hunters..
I converted to a Glenda Green satchel. No going back to a vest after using her satchel.
I have the K&H run and gun 200. I like it a lot, but I've been going into the woods with less and less as I'm becoming a more mobile guy. This fall I went out with just a back pack, I too have also used a fanny pack as well.
That's fine if your gonna be out there for a morning hunt but an all day thing I like to bring more with me.
Only bummer about the K&H vest is that it doesn't have a place to put a turkey. But I guess that's what makes it nice and light.
I ditched the vest about 9 years ago and went to a hip pack, I'd been using a Badlands and tried out the Avian-X Rundown Sling Pack this past season and liking it.
MK M GOBL
The RNG vests come with a turkey tote. Or you can use the provided decoy straps and strap over your shoulders. I never used a the game bag on any of vests...so it works for me. I have hunted with every vest known to man... seriously. I like the RNG 300 so much I bought 3 of them.. just in case they discontinue.
The best vest for you will depend on many variables, how you hunt, your gear, etc. RNG is great for the guys that don't want the bulk of a large vest.. but not quite to the point of using just a fannie pack. Plus, you don't need to 44in waist to fit in it ...like 90% of the other vests out there.
Quote from: Mossberg90MN on December 17, 2019, 01:56:58 PM
I have the K&H run and gun 200. I like it a lot, but I've been going into the woods with less and less as I'm becoming a more mobile guy. This fall I went out with just a back pack, I too have also used a fanny pack as well.
That's fine if your gonna be out there for a morning hunt but an all day thing I like to bring more with me.
Only bummer about the K&H vest is that it doesn't have a place to put a turkey. But I guess that's what makes it nice and light.
If you ever find one you really really like buy a lifetime supply. The manufacturers always have to come up with a newer and better...which seldom is.
i got the newer Nomad vest last year. i had seen complaints about the older model with the snaps but they updated. i like it. its light and holds quite a bit but is more run and gun feel. big ole butt pad that is thick and stays up when walking. i like the thermacell holder where i don't even have to take it out, just turn it on. In Mississippi when it warms up you have to have it.
K&H RNG-300
Love it! Great pocket setup, nice firm cushion, compatible with a water bladder, easy to adjust to your body for a snug fit.
I bought another RNG-200 on sale at walmart after the season because I heard rumors of them discontinuing it!
They wear out pretty quickly. I haven't found a favorite yet.
I have been using a Knights Hunting Products handsfree for the past several years. I like most of what the vest does. I do not carry a box call, so the pockets for that are a waste. My only complaint with that vest is the striker carrying capability (or lack thereof)
Cabelas Tactical Tatr 2 works well for me. I'm a run and gun style hunter and haven't had any issues with it. I like the pocket layout and the space provided. I carry enough stuff to hunt all day if need be.
I really like the tatr 2. I just bought a alps. Seems pretty comfortable, gonna put it to the test this spring
Quote from: FL-Boss on December 18, 2019, 10:46:00 AM
The RNG vests come with a turkey tote. Or you can use the provided decoy straps and strap over your shoulders. I never used a the game bag on any of vests...so it works for me. I have hunted with every vest known to man... seriously. I like the RNG 300 so much I bought 3 of them.. just in case they discontinue.
The best vest for you will depend on many variables, how you hunt, your gear, etc. RNG is great for the guys that don't want the bulk of a large vest.. but not quite to the point of using just a fannie pack. Plus, you don't need to 44in waist to fit in it ...like 90% of the other vests out there.
Quote from: Mossberg90MN on December 17, 2019, 01:56:58 PM
I have the K&H run and gun 200. I like it a lot, but I've been going into the woods with less and less as I'm becoming a more mobile guy. This fall I went out with just a back pack, I too have also used a fanny pack as well.
That's fine if your gonna be out there for a morning hunt but an all day thing I like to bring more with me.
Only bummer about the K&H vest is that it doesn't have a place to put a turkey. But I guess that's what makes it nice and light.
Yea correct it does come with a turkey tote, and a sling for a decoy.
Don't mind a turkey tote but it would be nice to have a little more storage for a decoy or something else. That's truly why I was looking at another vest, I wanted a convenient way of hauling around a decoy if need be.
I do love my K&H Run and Gun 200. Which is why I was a bit torn on buying a new vests.
I went with an Alps Grand slam vest. But after seeing posts about the Cabelas Tactical Tat r 2 vest. I may actually return mine and save myself $80. It's still in the mail on it's way... probably going right back for an exchange hahah
I feel the back frame might be nice for those longer sits... I can recall a handful of times I was sitting up against a tree the Width of a coke can.
I'm almost exclusively a run and gun guy at this stage in my turkey hunt, so I went with an Alps chest pack (I think it's called the Impact? nope, Vantage) that has a box call pocket and a spot for a pot call and 2 strikers built into it. I can fit my whole loadout into it - crow call, diaphragms, 3 shells, conditioners, leatherman binos and calls plus license, with a tote in my pants pocket. I have everything right in front of me within easy reach when I'm set up with a gun on my knee, room to shoulder and no extra fabric on my back to heat up in late season. Also keeps me from running around the county with half a Cabelas aisle hanging from my shoulders. :TooFunny:
All my stuff is custom made , so i really don't have any Cabelas hanging from my shoulders , but a small pair of Vortex binoculars .... :OGturkeyhead:
Another vote here for the Cabela 's tatr 2
I have a bunch of vests, my least favorite is the Ol' Tom and my favorite is the Primos Hobbler 2.
Surprised no one mentioned the Primos.
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I got my Alps Outdoorz grand slam vest. Gotta say, I'm very excited about using it. I was gonna return it and go with the cabelas vest... but I opted on keeping the grand slam vest.
I have an Alps Grand Slam for slower days with less walking and more sitting. Also tend to grab that vest if I plan on using decoy(s).
For days with longer and more walks, or when the Wisconsin weather finally warms up, I go with either the RNG-200 or 300. I like the minimalist design of the 200 and the thing I like over a satchel is the vest can take a bladder. Personal preference but I much prefer the bladder over carrying a water bottle.
Quote from: Turkeyman on December 18, 2019, 01:11:41 PM
If you ever find one you really really like buy a lifetime supply. The manufacturers always have to come up with a newer and better...which seldom is.
Solid advice... I actually bought another RNG-200 when I saw them on sale on Amazon for $30 this winter and might regret not buying a third one.
I've had the same Cabela's Tactical Tat'r (Original) with the 2 detachable leg pouches for probably 11 years now. Time for an upgrade. Reading this post has given me a lot of options to look into. I've been looking into the Alps Grand Slam Vest. I like the kickstand frame, but I'm concerned about the weight, which 6 lbs isn't that much until you have an all day hunt. A buddy of mine has one and said he absolutely loves it, but I suppose I have to consider all the options.
Alps grand slam has been my favorite
I just got the Alps super elite 4.0, really seems nice. I've been running the first super elite someone gave me years ago. Love it but it's getting fragile!
Does anyone know when the first NWTF super elite was made?
I've was trying to find out how old mine is. It's the only vest I've used.
Yes to the Alps Super Elite 4...
Seems much better made than previous versions...
Will give it a go this season!
Got a Alps super elite 4.0 last year, like it a lot.
bob dixon
just ordered alps impact in obsession. like the seat and being able to detatch the front right pockets for very light run and gun
going to order a knight and hale rng 300 in bottomland for early season. 2nd season here in wisconsin is often times still winter. snowed april 21st last year
i'll report back with results after using them
Quote from: Turkeyman on December 18, 2019, 01:11:41 PM
If you ever find one you really really like buy a lifetime supply. The manufacturers always have to come up with a newer and better...which seldom is.
I hear that! I wished I had done that with my Limbhanger.
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I've been using a Cabela's Tat'r 2 for quite a while now...but reading this thread has got me trying to find an excuse to shell out some cash for one of those Run N Gun 300 deals. I have to admit they look pretty nice!
Many moons ago Cabelas made a "Half vest" with the speed seat attached. Basically an oversized fanny pack/hip pack with the best seat in the industry attached to it.
That thing has been so good to me that its main color at this point is jelly head blood.
I use the Tenzing TP14 and that thing is a Cadillac. Its a little bulky and heavy but that's mostly my fault cause I seem to just keep stuffing things in it. I am wanting to get another vest that's a little lighter for days when I know I'm gonna do a lot of walking.
Been using a HS Strut SUV vest for the last 15 years. It's about plumb wore out. Needs stitched up every year. I've tried new ones the last few years and keep going back to it. Don't like change I guess. Tried a primos gobbler vest and didn't care for it. Tried a tenzing last year and couldnt get used to it. Just picked up a new nomad mg. Has some shortcomings but overall it's more promising than the others I've tried. Time will tell.
Can anyone explain why the Ol Tom best are so pricey. They seem like a really basic design. Is there stuff pretty high quality?
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No love for the Nomad vests? Never used one but really like the layout of it
Quote from: aclawrence on February 02, 2020, 04:09:00 PM
Can anyone explain why the Ol Tom best are so pricey. They seem like a really basic design. Is there stuff pretty high quality?
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i have a half dozen assorted clothing items from drake(mostly duck hunting stuff) and i've found it all to be very nice quality. i never pay full price though. just keep an eye out year round and buy it on sale. just picked up their turkey pants and vestless shirt for 40% off
i bet their vests are pretty darn nice
Doesn't help with your question but I've had a couple vests and they were fine. I switched to the Brossie bag and only use it now. The vests went into the church yard sale about 5-6 years ago..
Quote from: RiverRoost on February 02, 2020, 10:59:47 PM
No love for the Nomad vests? Never used one but really like the layout of it
I picked one up last year after the season was over. It hasn't made it to the woods yet but I think I'm going to like it. The only thing I don't like as much is the double pot call pouch on the front. It's sticks out a little more than I like. I've thought about taking it off.
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I switched to the Nomad last year. Very pleased with it so far. Thermocell pocket is great and a must where I hunt in both Florida and WV. I really like the pot call pockets and the volume of storage/weight of the vest ratio. Seat is great and stays up nicely. Also a very quiet vest to work in the field - pockets etc dont have loud zippers, snaps etc.
I've got the Alps Outdoors grand slam vest. I took the frame out and modified the seat so that it flips up and down like the tactical tat'r. After making that modification it is the best vest I've ever ran imo!
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Has been a nomad the last few years. I just picked up Glenda's satchel. Will be using it this year to see how I like it.
Primos gen 2
Love my Limbhanger & wish I had another. I got a Nomad last year and haven't needed it yet.
I have a Spartan Realtree vest with button close pockets and the most next to nothing butt pad that I quit using 20 some years ago. It was one of the best things I'd ever seen when I first got it.
Jim
I feel like giving vest recommendations is similar to giving ice cream flavor recommendations. We all have personal preferences based on our own situations.
I went with the Cabela's Tat'r... Great vest for me, for a number of reasons.
It has proven to be durable.
It is well-organized, and I can get into what I need easily (once I can remember which pockets I put everything in).
The seat is comfortable, easy to use, and easy to remove, and keeps my azz dry (I often remove mine later in the morning when the ground is no longer wet, and when I am going to cover a lot of ground).
It is one of the few vests that fit a smaller, and slimmer person. All the other vests I tried fit me like a dress.
I often have long walks back to the vehicle, and for me, a vest is the easiest and most comfortable way to carry a bird out a long distance (I have tried totes, and over-the-shoulder, and much prefer a game vest for long arduous walks out). I did previously experiment with other (non-turkey) game vests and a backpack... If a turkey does fit in the game bag, it is a difficult and tight fit, and takes some effort to get the bird in and out of (i.e. a turkey vest generally has a much larger and more easily accessible game bag for turkeys).
I also did not like to have to deal with taking off and situating my backpack, especially if I was rushed (i.e. unexpected answer a lot closer than I thought). Although a good tactical backpack can fit more gear, more easily balanced.... That is until you have a turkey to carry out in the game back with a backpack over the top of it.
I owned several vests before getting the Cabela's Tactical Tat'r 2. I LOVE it. It's the only vest for me. It's lasted a very long time. I'm worried that Cabela's won't keep producing it under Bass Pro ownership. Right now the standard vest is only only out there in True Timber and the Kickstand is out there in HTC Green. Mine is the standard version in Obsession. If that one comes out, I'm going to snatch it up as a future spare.
What kind of vest does chubbs wear on the Pinhoti Project? It looks like it has claw slings for straps.
Quote from: RailRoader on February 17, 2020, 09:19:29 PM
What kind of vest does chubbs wear on the Pinhoti Project? It looks like it has claw slings for straps.
Believe both his and Dave's were heavily modified, they added the claw slings for straps.
Chubbs has been running a Dixon.
Dave was using a grandslam, but last year it looked to be a ol'tom vest with claw sling mod.
I just bought a grand slam at nwtf. Dont know that I love it yet. I wish someone would let me design them one. I keep using my old super elite 3.
I like the pocket setup, but it gets hot. Used an RNG and liked the seat but not enough pockets. I guess as long as we can find the perfect vest, we will keep buying.
I expected new vest designs this year but have not found any. Guess Ill just keep sewing and modifying.
my favorite vest out of the 3 ive ever owned was the super elite 3. I used it until it got a little to faded for my comfort which only took about 7 years....grant it there was a lot of hardcore hunting all over during that time. I also had to sow it up in a few spots. I went to the NWFT convention 3 years ago when alps released the vest that was basically a super elite 3 copy I think its called the super elite 4.0, but a little thicker and definelty more of a poly blend in the camo material I bought it for 90 bucks. Last year was my first year using it. Most of the pockets are the same, its gotta a couple that are a little different but the orientation is the same, Im grabbing the same calls from the same areas and pockets....I know many people do not like a true vest style vest...some people like straps with everything pulled high and not hanging, but me personally I like my vest to hang so I can see whats going and don't have to move my arms as much to use it while sitting. A vest doesn't hinder me one bit...I walked 11 miles opening day 2018 with the super elite 3 no problem and have walked many miles since. you get used to it. yeah they can get hot, and perhaps if I was hunting desert turkeys I might simply take it off, but on those nippy mornings I appreciate it, and early march is usually chilly where I hunt anyway.
The claw sling mod would definitely take some stress off your shoulders. Thanks for the information.
I have the Alps Grand Slam and I do love that vest. I was hearing great things about the Cabelas vest so I returned my Alps vest and bought the Cabelas vest. I'm sure that vest works absolutely fine, but you could feel the price difference for sure, and the kickstand simply just didn't work.
So I went right back to the cabelas and got my Grand slam vest back. The quality of that vest is great! I plan on keeping the kickstand in my truck... depending on the type of terrain I plan on hunting that day will determine if I will be using the kickstand. More hardwood ridges, no kickstand. An area with more fields... kickstand.
I also have the Knight and Hale run n gun 200 and it's a fantastic minimalist vest. I just wish it had a bigger back pack, and maybe zippers for the pot call holders.
I upgraded to the grand slam for more storage really.
Quote from: RailRoader on February 18, 2020, 10:33:02 AM
The claw sling mod would definitely take some stress off your shoulders. Thanks for the information.
what are yal carrying to the point where you have stress on your shoulders. serious question....i mean are you carrying a 45lb barbell weight in it...
I own both the Cabelas Tat'r and the Alps grand slam. I modified the seat on the Alps to be like the Tat'r but I still prefer the Tat'r. My only gripe with it is that it doesn't have shell loops other than that it's pretty much perfect for me. Like some of you have said if Cabelas does bring it back I'll definitely buy one as a backup.
Quote from: Jroddc on February 19, 2020, 08:04:59 AM
I own both the Cabelas Tat'r and the Alps grand slam. I modified the seat on the Alps to be like the Tat'r but I still prefer the Tat'r. My only gripe with it is that it doesn't have shell loops other than that it's pretty much perfect for me. Like some of you have said if Cabelas does bring it back I'll definitely buy one as a backup.
I believe they have just restocked. So you should check on the website.
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Quote from: RailRoader on February 18, 2020, 10:33:02 AM
The claw sling mod would definitely take some stress off your shoulders. Thanks for the information.
what are yal carrying to the point where you have stress on your shoulders. serious question....i mean are you carrying a 45lb barbell weight in it...
I'm guessing if Dave is really using the straps to help support the weight it's because he is carrying multiple cameras, batteries, battery chargers, and a tripod. I'd be willing to guess that Dave carries as few calls in his vest as anyone here. I've only ever seen him use a mouth call and a glass pot. The claw straps probably also help with "sticking to your shoulders" or not slipping off. That's just my guess.
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I just got my tactical tat'r vest in the mail. I have to say I am very impressed. I have it in the new strata Camo pattern. I think it will work with my greenleaf pattern well and later into the spring. I was really looking forward to seeing the cushion- seems like it is on par with my nomad mg vest. I will be trying them both out over the course of the season. The tat'r layout is really nice, but I like the nomad vest because of the dedicated thermacell holder. I will be changing out the straps with claw straps on that vest prior to the start of the season!
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Quote from: RailRoader on February 18, 2020, 10:33:02 AM
The claw sling mod would definitely take some stress off your shoulders. Thanks for the information.
what are yal carrying to the point where you have stress on your shoulders. serious question....i mean are you carrying a 45lb barbell weight in it...
I'm guessing if Dave is really using the straps to help support the weight it's because he is carrying multiple cameras, batteries, battery chargers, and a tripod. I'd be willing to guess that Dave carries as few calls in his vest as anyone here. I've only ever seen him use a mouth call and a glass pot. The claw straps probably also help with "sticking to your shoulders" or not slipping off. That's just my guess.
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well that definelty explains it then if you got a guy with camera gear, etc....so yeah that weight could add up quickly. I was just curious, that wasn't meant to insult anyone...I carry a lot of stuff myself....but I cant say my vest is stressing me from weight per say.
Those with the Cabelas Tactical Tat'r, how is the fit? Looks like they only carry a one size fits all model as opposed to S/M or L/XL. I wonder if the new ones are huge?
I picked up a Nomad for last Spring and have no complaints.
I picked up a Cabela's Tactical Tat'r vest at Bass Pro last month. The vest is in MO Obsession and has a kickstand that I took out. It was on a sales table with a lot of other discounted items. My hunting buddy has this vest in the non-kickstand version that he hunted in last year. He said he really likes it and I have to say that I'm really liking it as well. I'm looking forward to hunting in it this year.
Quote from: paboxcall on November 21, 2019, 07:50:01 PM
I did the same, ditching the vest for a fanny pack. But I'm fickle sometimes so now I'm back to a K&H Run/Gun 300. Its really nice, lightweight, and good design.
I've went through a lot of vests but the KH 300 if light weight and does what it's designed to do without the extra weight or burning you up while doing it. I love this vest.
I have an older Crooked Horn Outfitter vest with the slide down seat pad, it a great quality vest but Im thinking of possibly trying The Old Tom or the Alps vest
Just this year, i replaced my old vest with a new one. First i bought an Alpz Grand Slam and to be honest, i didn't like it. Felt too big (bulky) and i was never going to use all the storage it had. Plus i never used the game bag on my old vest, i just always pack my gobblers out over the shoulder. I then bough a Knight and Hale RNG-300 and this vest is literally perfect for me. I can't find one single thing to gripe about. I love that it has a backpack on the back instead of a game bag. It also has 10 independent adjustment points, so you can make it fit perfectly. I'm probably going to buy another one after season as a back up.
Quote from: Number17 on January 27, 2020, 07:30:48 AM
Many moons ago Cabelas made a "Half vest" with the speed seat attached. Basically an oversized fanny pack/hip pack with the best seat in the industry attached to it.
That thing has been so good to me that its main color at this point is jelly head blood.
I would like this type. wish they still made it.
I've used the cabelas tatr the last two year and have really liked it.
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I have now walked about 10 miles in my tatr. So far, so good. I like how it distributes the weight of my gear. Much more comfortable and plenty of pockets compared to my old vest. I have a small, very green vest that I use late season when it is hot, but I doubt I will ever pull it out. Will see how it holds up.
X2 love mine
Quote from: stinkpickle on December 15, 2019, 11:22:36 AM
I don't have a favorite. Every vest I try has something I love about it AND something I hate about it.
Well made vest that ACTUALLY can curry a dead Tom as well as my Dana Design's Long Bed back pack.
I have had some great HUNTING vests including my current one but never one that could carry a 20-24lb Tom comfortably.
And NEVER buy a vest that doesn't have a chest strap, learned that one the hard way with my first vest.
I have used a Primos Gobbler vest in bottomland for the past 15 years or so. Plenty of room for everything, and I like how the seat has a magnet to attach it when I flip it up to move.
Been using the Nomad vest this season coming from the cable as tactical Tat'r 2 and I am really starting to like the vest. Seat is way bigger than the Tat'r and just as comfortable and I don't feel like I'm sitting off the front of it like I did with the Tat'r. Striker magnets have held in place perfectly so far and way more pockets than the Tat'r. On thing that sucks kinda right now is the seat system, the magnets don't stay locked in 100% of the time but if you have the buckles clipped and the magnets break loose it holds the seat basically in the same position my Tat'r speed seat did when flipped up.
That is a great point. Maybe it is a height or size thing, but I am not a fan of the tat'r seat. I spent an hour on it on Sunday and I am just getting over it! I rarely use the seat as I carry a lounger for most hunts. If you use that seat a lot, it would be smart to try it on. I noticed Aaron from The Hunting Public uses the tat'r and he seems to sit right down on it. He is a different sized dude from me.
Alps Grand Slam vest size? I'm 6'2" tall and about 190 pounds. M/L or XL? I think the M/L would be the one. Thoughts? Also kinda torn between it and the Cabelas one. Thanks
Quote from: RiverRoost on April 01, 2020, 01:26:51 PM
Been using the Nomad vest this season coming from the cable as tactical Tat'r 2 and I am really starting to like the vest. Seat is way bigger than the Tat'r and just as comfortable and I don't feel like I'm sitting off the front of it like I did with the Tat'r. Striker magnets have held in place perfectly so far and way more pockets than the Tat'r. On thing that sucks kinda right now is the seat system, the magnets don't stay locked in 100% of the time but if you have the buckles clipped and the magnets break loose it holds the seat basically in the same position my Tat'r speed seat did when flipped up.
Quote from: g8rvet on April 01, 2020, 08:40:12 PM
That is a great point. Maybe it is a height or size thing, but I am not a fan of the tat'r seat. I spent an hour on it on Sunday and I am just getting over it! I rarely use the seat as I carry a lounger for most hunts. If you use that seat a lot, it would be smart to try it on. I noticed Aaron from The Hunting Public uses the tat'r and he seems to sit right down on it. He is a different sized dude from me.
I noticed the same issue... But, I find it no more difficult to physically push/pull the seat forward than deploying a magnetic seat (which you must also reach around to do). But the Cabela's seat does not need to be "re-deployed" on a quick move.
I only use the seat in the morning to keep my butt dry... Later in the morning (when the grass is dry) with running and gunning, I often remove it. In the morning, when I am going to sit a bit, that seat is nice... And dry. Later in the morning, I am often covering a lot of country, and trying to make very quick moves into strategic locations, and I simply would rather sit on the ground than deal with a seat (or chair).