Things are slow and I've got a few minutes to burn. Seeing the coyote pic got me to thinking. If you could only pick one caliber to do it all, what would it be? Everything from varmints to whitetail/mule deer. Not throwing elk or larger into the mix because that starts a totally different debate. Personally, and understand I'm not a huge fan, I'd take a 243 (or 6mm variant like the 6x284) with a fast twist barrel that would stabilize the longer bullets offered in that caliber. They have a great BC and do well on paper at distance. It's plenty for deer with the proper bullet and before anyone asks, I'm not opposed to using the 85 grain bullets for everything mentioned above. The 100+ grain bullets are pretty amazing too. Just wanna see where this goes, if it gets legs at all that is.
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270 win, can be loaded down for small game or with a good bullet I would have no issue to go after elk sized game.
.243
243 Winchester
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.270 win. Have taken bear and elk down to coyotes with it. Though I do love the .243 wssm for deer and antelope.
30 06, ammo is readily available in many options. It's not the most accurate caliber I've shot but it's what I own and would likely cover all the situations terrain/game I'm gonna encounter. I would also think .308 would be a good all around rifle.
For those that mentioned the 270, I'm with you. The 270 is still one of my favorite rounds for deer and black bears. Wouldn't be scared on elk either but that wasn't part of the original equation.
30-06 has absolutely been a cartridge I've given up on. I know it'll do everything and I think that's why I hate it so much. Not sure how many I've had over the years but I just can't seem to keep one in my possession. Now, the 308 mentioned, yup. Love that round. It's been very solid for me. Smoked more deer than I can count with the 308 and it's more than enough for coyotes.
Having said that, let's keep it going. Love the opinions so far.
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6.5 creedmoor
I would take a 6.5 creedmoor all day.
One rifle to do it all------Marlin 336 30-30
reload it with a light load of Unique and cast bullet for small game, won't tear them up.
110 to 130 grain jacketed bullet loaded hot for varmints.
150 to 170grain for medium game
or Hornadys lever evolution if you want something a little flatter
Buffalo Bore's hard cast 190grain for elk, moose and bear,
or reloads with a heavy cast bullet
Handy rifle for the truck and other situations
fast reliable accurate
simply put: 6.5 creedmoor
I went to the 243 years ago for the smaller whitetails in Florida. All my other rifles have been in the gun safe ever sense.
.243 Winchester for sure. I would have to figure out a load that would not rip up the hides though. If I could pick second I would take .222 Winchester to limit hide damage.
Quote from: Sir-diealot on August 14, 2019, 11:30:30 PM
.243 Winchester for sure. I would have to figure out a load that would not rip up the hides though. If I could pick second I would take .222 Winchester to limit hide damage.
Why not the triple deuce for everything?
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Quote from: crow on August 14, 2019, 10:44:23 PM
One rifle to do it all------Marlin 336 30-30
reload it with a light load of Unique and cast bullet for small game, won't tear them up.
110 to 130 grain jacketed bullet loaded hot for varmints.
150 to 170grain for medium game
or Hornadys lever evolution if you want something a little flatter
Buffalo Bore's hard cast 190grain for elk, moose and bear,
or reloads with a heavy cast bullet
Handy rifle for the truck and other situations
fast reliable accurate
Love your thinking.
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Quote from: wvmntnhick on August 14, 2019, 11:55:58 PM
Quote from: Sir-diealot on August 14, 2019, 11:30:30 PM
.243 Winchester for sure. I would have to figure out a load that would not rip up the hides though. If I could pick second I would take .222 Winchester to limit hide damage.
Why not the triple deuce for everything?
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I know this comment is going to be argued, I do not feel it is an ethical deer round.
The 6.5 creed gets a ton of press these days. It's not really done anything that the 260 didn't do before. I blame Remington for poor marketing. They haven't faired well in that department. Had the same issue with the 280 but it's making a slow comeback. Bullet selection has more to do with that though.
Hornady has done a great job marketing their stuff though. That's the largest reason the 6.5 has gained the credit it has. And look at everything else they've hammered hard. They're all doing well and going strong. Their personal cartridges have failed miserably but stuff they've been behind for others they've really been able to get moving quite nicely.
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Quote from: Sir-diealot on August 14, 2019, 11:30:30 PM
.243 Winchester for sure. I would have to figure out a load that would not rip up the hides though. If I could pick second I would take .222 Winchester to limit hide damage.
Why not the triple deuce for everything?
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I know this comment is going to be argued, I do not feel it is an ethical deer round.
Well, argument is one way to look at it. Debate is a term that is more fitting I think. Would you then "argue" that the 223 isn't "ethical" for deer? If so, why?
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Quote from: wvmntnhick on August 15, 2019, 12:10:35 AM
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Quote from: Sir-diealot on August 14, 2019, 11:30:30 PM
.243 Winchester for sure. I would have to figure out a load that would not rip up the hides though. If I could pick second I would take .222 Winchester to limit hide damage.
Why not the triple deuce for everything?
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I know this comment is going to be argued, I do not feel it is an ethical deer round.
Well, argument is one way to look at it. Debate is a term that is more fitting I think. Would you then "argue" that the 223 isn't "ethical" for deer? If so, why?
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I would not based simply on the fact that I have ZERO experience with the .223 never even been around somebody shooting one whereas I own a .222 an old Savage Model 340 I got when my uncle passed away. I have to get out of this chair, my upper back is not doing well. I will come back to this when I wake up later today. Have a good night bud.
22-250 will do the job
22 mag and a one eyed dog.
Quote from: wvmntnhick on August 15, 2019, 12:08:19 AM
The 6.5 creed gets a ton of press these days. It's not really done anything that the 260 didn't do before. I blame Remington for poor marketing. They haven't faired well in that department. Had the same issue with the 280 but it's making a slow comeback. Bullet selection has more to do with that though.
Hornady has done a great job marketing their stuff though. That's the largest reason the 6.5 has gained the credit it has. And look at everything else they've hammered hard. They're all doing well and going strong. Their personal cartridges have failed miserably but stuff they've been behind for others they've really been able to get moving quite nicely.
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I have both 260 and the 6.5 creedmoor and yes both are good guns , but i will still pick the 6.5 creedmoor .... another gun that could fall in this category is the 25-06 it's also a good gun... 7mm08 is another strong caliber....
6.5 creedmor. It even makes me a good shooter :OGturkeyhead:
7mm Rem Mag at 140-grains. A flat shooter with plenty of wallop and the recoil is still bearable for me.
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22-250 will do the job
Sure will. This is one I've never owned but still have spent some time with. Dad got a 22-250 for a song. It wouldn't shoot according to the owner. I reloaded some rounds for it and she's under 1/4". Hammers deer just fine and not to shabby on varmints either.
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Quote from: Dr Juice on August 15, 2019, 04:39:17 AM
7mm Rem Mag at 140-grains. A flat shooter with plenty of wallop and the recoil is still bearable for me.
7mm has some pretty good offerings on the market these days man. The plethora of bullets in the 0.284" really make anything "7" sing.
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Quote from: wvmntnhick on August 14, 2019, 10:09:17 PM
For those that mentioned the 270, I'm with you. The 270 is still one of my favorite rounds for deer and black bears. Wouldn't be scared on elk either but that wasn't part of the original equation.
30-06 has absolutely been a cartridge I've given up on. I know it'll do everything and I think that's why I hate it so much. Not sure how many I've had over the years but I just can't seem to keep one in my possession. Now, the 308 mentioned, yup. Love that round. It's been very solid for me. Smoked more deer than I can count with the 308 and it's more than enough for coyotes.
Having said that, let's keep it going. Love the opinions so far.
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My point was it would do what you were asking and more. 270 could easily be loaded down for smaller game and loaded back up for deer, etc.
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Quote from: wvmntnhick on August 14, 2019, 10:09:17 PM
For those that mentioned the 270, I'm with you. The 270 is still one of my favorite rounds for deer and black bears. Wouldn't be scared on elk either but that wasn't part of the original equation.
30-06 has absolutely been a cartridge I've given up on. I know it'll do everything and I think that's why I hate it so much. Not sure how many I've had over the years but I just can't seem to keep one in my possession. Now, the 308 mentioned, yup. Love that round. It's been very solid for me. Smoked more deer than I can count with the 308 and it's more than enough for coyotes.
Having said that, let's keep it going. Love the opinions so far.
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My point was it would do what you were asking and more. 270 could easily be loaded down for smaller game and loaded back up for deer, etc.
Oh, I know. And totally wasn't arguing. If anyone ever needed one gun to cover all bases, that's the one to get. It's just done it so well for so long I personally find it a touch mundane. It's literally the one-stop-shop for cartridge selection.
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257 AI. I know, a lot of effort for modest gains, but I think the 257 is worth Ackley-izing. A lot of bullet options for varmints and such and a 120 grain partition is more than adequate for the biggest of mule deer.
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280 AI would be my selection. One of the many fine cartridge to select from.
I asked myself this same question several years ago. I wanted one gun if was coyote or whitetail deer hunting that would be great at both and not so much kick. As I looked over the 6mm/243 bullets that were available. The ballistics and BC where just what I was looking for. I wanted a load to do both so one I set it up it it would do the job. So I ended up with the 243WSSM. Shooting my hand loads of 70 gr BT and with good glass a coyote don't stand a chance Now some of you will say 70 gr is not for deer I will argue that instead of shooting for brown I shoot for the tick in its ear DRT Ever seen what a 6mm projectile traveling at 3800fps will do a deers brain. Not pretty but there is no adrenaline pumped into the meat as it tried to run. No tracking. Now this is not for everyone but it is what works for me. Now when I go to Kentucky, Missouri I will carry my 270 and further west for elk a 300 weatherby goes with me. Now I'm ready to start another build for crow, coyote and deer which I have decided to build a 20 tac on a AR frame.
A lot of calibers mentioned would be fine. A .243 loaded with proper bullets would do the trick, bullet selection being important to game size. The late great Jack O'Conner said the .270 was good for anything in North America with the exception of grizzly. Long range 6.5's are taking the market by storm. Right on the heels of the 6.5 Creedmoor is the 6.5 PRC. .257, 25-06, .280's..... Like so many things I think it boils down to preference.
For me it is not about caliber but practice and in the field shot placement. Years ago used to hunt with a guy that killed an elk with a .222, but to put that in perspective he was an incredible shot, saw him cut a deer's throat that was on a dead run with a shot that was about 300 yards. He shot all the time and probably shot about 10000 rifle rounds a year. He would bring about 5 or 6 rifles with him to hunting camp every year. He was a firm believer in small calibers and shot placement and I do not think I ever saw him with a caliber larger that 25.06. What is the old saying, "beware the man who only owns one gun"
Off topic but the comment of the one gun shooter caught my eye. I always liked the saying that you never bet money with a guy shooting an old model 12, with all the bluing gone and missing the front bead.
With the ability to reload and the choices of bullets available there is really not a wrong answer as far as modern centerfire cartridges go. The ability to choose good shots and put the bullet on target should be more of a concern to many as opposed to the mental gymnastics of trying to find the "perfect" gun. If that is done perfectly then the rest is a mute point. I shot an 8 point last year at about 50 yards with a .223 after an acquaintance of mine hit it with a 7mm. It made it about 300 yards with his shot which was low and back a tick. I caught up to it and it dropped where it stood with a head shot. Which is a better caliber?
Quote from: Happy on August 15, 2019, 01:20:59 PM
With the ability to reload and the choices of bullets available there is really not a wrong answer as far as modern centerfire cartridges go. The ability to choose good shots and put the bullet on target should be more of a concern to many as opposed to the mental gymnastics of trying to find the "perfect" gun. If that is done perfectly then the rest is a mute point. I shot an 8 point last year at about 50 yards with a .223 after an acquaintance of mine hit it with a 7mm. It made it about 300 yards with his shot which was low and back a tick. I caught up to it and it dropped where it stood with a head shot. Which is a better caliber?
7mm, if the shooter did his job then the deer would not have ran 300 yards. You cannot blame the caliber for bad shooting.
Quote from: Dr Juice on August 15, 2019, 04:39:17 AM
7mm Rem Mag at 140-grains. A flat shooter with plenty of wallop and the recoil is still bearable for me.
Like this combo.
"7mm, if the shooter did his job then the deer would not have ran 300 yards. You cannot blame the caliber for bad shooting".
We will have to agree to disagree. My answer you won't notice much difference if proper shot selection is used along with the ability to put the right bullet construction where it needs to be. In my opinion far to many use larger calibers as a band aid for crappy marksmanship.
Love the different opinions in this post: think it would have been better titled "Best single rifle with factory loaded ammo." If you can't shoot its a moot point but if you can shoot and reload any almost any rifle can be loaded for most game.
I started with an old 30-30 then moved to a 7mm mag (down loaded the mag) shot out the barrel on the Mag moved to a 30-06 and killed every thing I could with it bears, lions, coyote and deer. Currently shooting a 243 Browning for everything. Also have been using a TC Pro hunter 50 cal for everything from bears, coyotes ground hogs and deer. We live in a great age for our wide selection of rifles, shotguns and muzzle loaders. Each to his own I say! :z-guntootsmiley:
25.06 75 grain to 120 grain, makes a bad day for whats in it way!
.243 unless I still reloaded, then I'd go with 26 Nosler.
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Quote from: Happy on August 15, 2019, 01:20:59 PM
With the ability to reload and the choices of bullets available there is really not a wrong answer as far as modern centerfire cartridges go. The ability to choose good shots and put the bullet on target should be more of a concern to many as opposed to the mental gymnastics of trying to find the "perfect" gun. If that is done perfectly then the rest is a mute point. I shot an 8 point last year at about 50 yards with a .223 after an acquaintance of mine hit it with a 7mm. It made it about 300 yards with his shot which was low and back a tick. I caught up to it and it dropped where it stood with a head shot. Which is a better caliber?
7mm, if the shooter did his job then the deer would not have ran 300 yards. You cannot blame the caliber for bad shooting.
Agreed, 7 mm is an awesome round. Burned the barrel out on mine but planing on rebarreling as its a Sako Finnbear. Shot everything from ground hogs to deer with it. Main point is choose a rifle you can handle and learn to shoot it well. Practice, practice
Quote from: owlhoot on August 15, 2019, 05:42:20 PM
25.06 75 grain to 120 grain, makes a bad day for whats in it way!
Full disclosure, the 25-06 is my all time favorite deer cartridge. I've only ever had one "mishap" with that round and unfortunately, there was a witness there to corroborate what happened after I'd already taken the time to brag up the adequacy of that round. I'd honestly never had a deer take a step after being hit with a 100 grain bullet from that gun until that day. The 120's left me to do some short trailing but the 100's never did. UNTIL THAT DAY. And, I'll take full responsibility for it. Was running that pill way to hard and while the placement was good, it exploded on the rib upon entry and only got one lung. It decimated that lung, ended up veering off course through the diaphragm and into the paunch. Deer covered some ground and if it wasn't for the snow, I doubt I'd found it. Got lucky but I'll take it. Still love it but don't carry it anymore due to sentimental value. Now, there's a custom 257 Bob that fills the void and will be an amazing rig for my girls. Hoping my 9 y/o gets hers with it this year.
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308 win. :z-guntootsmiley:
Pretty much any caliber above .243 would work with the proper load.
Some states don't allow big game hunting with anything smaller than centerfire .23 caliber. Virginia being one.
I love my hot rod centerfire calibers .17 Rem .220 swift are some of my all time favorites. I have owned several 25-06's and is all I have coyote hunted with for the last several years. All of that to say if I could only have one caliber it would be a .308. it's a inherently accurate cartridge with lots of factory ammo offerings. It's also a military round in case things really go south someday.
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308
How about the 270 WSSM. Does it all short range and long range
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I'm a big fan of anything in the .308 family the .243 win is a good cartridge and so is .260 Remington that being said my favorite is a 7mm-08 its a flat shooting cartridge and it fits me well.
Wouldn't trade my tikka .308 for anything.
Quote from: Tomfoolery on August 17, 2019, 04:13:49 PM
Wouldn't trade my tikka .308 for anything.
Just like my youngest boy, not tikka though.
Can not get him to hunt with anything else, one rifle in 308 . Thats it.
I like rifles so , .243, 257 bob, 25.06, 270, 7mm-08, 7mm rem mag, .308, 30-06, 300win mag, 35 Whelen.
30-30, 357 mag , 44 mag, 45 colt, 444 marlin, 45.70 lever guns. Some have been in multiple rifles. Have traded and sold a lot of them, can't keep them all darn it.
Held off for a while but ended up with the 6.5 creed and to tell the truth I am just not all that satisfied with them. Kind of like the 129 grain in those, not anything heavier. But haven't messed with them at any targets over 500 yards. I think there are many better deer cartridges and much much better elk rounds.
Those that don't get much attention I would like to try are 338 federal, I am friends with a guy who has hunted all over North America plus Africa , he swears by it for close range stuff. He uses 7mm rem mag all over the place with Berger bullets to stretch out.
The .358 Win would sure be nice. The .280 Rem needs a home here. Have been loading my 7 Rem mag at 280 Rem velocities with 154 grain SST hornady bullets , its a deer hammer. Just need a handier rifle for it.
You get me to one deer rifle though and it is the 25.06 Remington.
.308 Win
Any body else ever notice when someone says 308 is their choice they don't say much else ;D
Quote from: owlhoot on August 17, 2019, 09:28:53 PM
Any body else ever notice when someone says 308 is their choice they don't say much else ;D
It's hard to discuss the merits without laughter. Like the 30-06, it just does everything well enough that it's gotten mundane. I've killed more deer with the 308 in the past few years than Tommy Lee gave women hepatitis. Great cartridge. Mine will do less than 1/4" with 5 rounds at 100 yards so long as the nut behind the stock isn't too loose. Hard to argue with the 308 in the end.
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Quote from: wvmntnhick on August 17, 2019, 10:31:57 PM
Quote from: owlhoot on August 17, 2019, 09:28:53 PM
Any body else ever notice when someone says 308 is their choice they don't say much else ;D
It's hard to discuss the merits without laughter. Like the 30-06, it just does everything well enough that it's gotten mundane. I've killed more deer with the 308 in the past few years than Tommy Lee gave women hepatitis. Great cartridge. Mine will do less than 1/4" with 5 rounds at 100 yards so long as the nut behind the stock isn't too loose. Hard to argue with the 308 in the end.
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yep 30.06 bores me to tears. I much prefer the 308. Less powder, less kick , handier rifle . After that it's a 150-165 grain bullet into tight groups and done.
30/06 it can easily be hand-loaded with bullets from 110 grains all the way to 220 grains
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Any body else ever notice when someone says 308 is their choice they don't say much else ;D
OK..........you sucked me in........
The .308 Win is just so boringly effective that there's just not much else TO say. The .308 with most any 150 grain bullet will do everything the OP asked about and more.
I, personally, do NOT use a .308 Win as my one-gun battery. But I would in a heartbeat if (Heaven forbid) I ever were forced into such a hell.
Quote from: Gen.27:3 on August 17, 2019, 11:58:28 PM
30/06 it can easily be hand-loaded with bullets from 110 grains all the way to 220 grains
Have you done them all? I've done 125 NBTip loaded down some . 150 hot core and 165 Seirra loaded middle of the road. 180 Partition loaded hot hot with 200 yard holes touchin holes for elk.
Can you believe i sold that rifle :bike2:
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Quote from: owlhoot on August 17, 2019, 09:28:53 PM
Any body else ever notice when someone says 308 is their choice they don't say much else ;D
OK..........you sucked me in........
The .308 Win is just so boringly effective that there's just not much else TO say. The .308 with most any 150 grain bullet will do everything the OP asked about and more.
I, personally, do NOT use a .308 Win as my one-gun battery. But I would in a heartbeat if (Heaven forbid) I ever were forced into such a hell.
One gun , man that's a scary thought. Be one tough choice for sure.
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Quote from: Gen.27:3 on August 17, 2019, 11:58:28 PM
30/06 it can easily be hand-loaded with bullets from 110 grains all the way to 220 grains
Have you done them all? I've done 125 NBTip loaded down some . 150 hot core and 165 Seirra loaded middle of the road. 180 Partition loaded hot hot with 200 yard holes touchin holes for elk.
Can you believe i sold that rifle :bike2:
Yes. Yes I can. I can't tell the number of 30-06's I've had over the years. I can count how many I've still got though. Answer: NONE! Like I said. It's an amazing gun. And the great Jack O'Conner even said if he could only have one rifle, it'd be a 30-06. That a lot coming from the man that really made the 270 what it is. But you'll also notice what he used the most. Coincidence? Doubtful. It's the only true "beltless magnum" in terms of what it can do. The 25-06 was actually given that moniker years ago but let's face reality. Unless you're using a monolithic bullet, the 25's aren't great on big stuff. I'm talking truly big animals. And their crappy BC bullets don't help at all. I'd still take the 25 over the 270 for deer. But, if a guy told me I could only carry one or the other for the rest of my days, the 25 would disappear.
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Quote from: owlhoot on August 17, 2019, 09:28:53 PM
Any body else ever notice when someone says 308 is their choice they don't say much else ;D
OK..........you sucked me in........
The .308 Win is just so boringly effective that there's just not much else TO say. The .308 with most any 150 grain bullet will do everything the OP asked about and more.
I, personally, do NOT use a .308 Win as my one-gun battery. But I would in a heartbeat if (Heaven forbid) I ever were forced into such a hell.
One gun , man that's a scary thought. Be one tough choice for sure.
Why? It's tough when you're faced with a decision in which you've already had plenty of options. But think about it this way. If you're buying your first gun to do it all and have no intentions of ever buying another, Yoder is kinda on the money. While I feel there are better choices than the 308, it does everything the typical hunter will ever need with relative ease. It's an inherently accurate round with lots of bullet options. It may not deliver the whiz bang speed that people want these days but as was witnessed by my hunting partner, it's more than enough for deer at 663 yards and I'd push it farther if the conditions were perfect again. That 155 amax did an amazing job. I'd still choose the WSM or Win Mag if only given one choice but I'd not feel under gunner with the 308 regardless what I was chasing.
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Quote from: wvmntnhick on August 19, 2019, 07:40:46 PM
Quote from: owlhoot on August 18, 2019, 09:38:06 PM
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Quote from: owlhoot on August 17, 2019, 09:28:53 PM
Any body else ever notice when someone says 308 is their choice they don't say much else ;D
OK..........you sucked me in........
The .308 Win is just so boringly effective that there's just not much else TO say. The .308 with most any 150 grain bullet will do everything the OP asked about and more.
I, personally, do NOT use a .308 Win as my one-gun battery. But I would in a heartbeat if (Heaven forbid) I ever were forced into such a hell.
One gun , man that's a scary thought. Be one tough choice for sure.
Why? It's tough when you're faced with a decision in which you've already had plenty of options. But think about it this way. If you're buying your first gun to do it all and have no intentions of ever buying another, Yoder is kinda on the money. While I feel there are better choices than the 308, it does everything the typical hunter will ever need with relative ease. It's an inherently accurate round with lots of bullet options. It may not deliver the whiz bang speed that people want these days but as was witnessed by my hunting partner, it's more than enough for deer at 663 yards and I'd push it farther if the conditions were perfect again. That 155 amax did an amazing job. I'd still choose the WSM or Win Mag if only given one choice but I'd not feel under gunner with the 308 regardless what I was chasing.
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Why? Because one gun wouldn't be much fun. Can i choose one caliber for my hunting? yes
25.06 because at this time its whitetails and coyotes. I can be in some thick stuff on my place or open on some others I hunt. Would the 308 work, heck yes . Do i want to shoot varmints with 150 grain? No . I also shoot my rifles , reloading hobby and targets. Do i enjoy shooting the 308 more than the 25.06, 6.5 creedmoor. Nope. The 300 wsm and 300 win mag wouldn't be my choice either. Way too much for my purposes . Now some really open country mule deer and elk and such , 300 mags , I'm in. Prefer the 7 mags though.
The 7mm Rem Mag would be my choice for 1 if out west would be included.
Caliber choice is not for me anyway , the only factor. I consider rifle type to be an important part of the equation.
Can't go wrong with the 7 mag brother. I've had a few over the years. Dropped them all in favor of the 7 STW. It's bad medicine for open country game.
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Another for the 6.5 Creedmoor, fine shootin round and ive shot a bunch.
Quote from: wvmntnhick on August 20, 2019, 06:02:17 AM
Can't go wrong with the 7 mag brother. I've had a few over the years. Dropped them all in favor of the 7 STW. It's bad medicine for open country game.
The 7-STW is BAD TO THE BONE !!! It's what I always thought Remington SHOULDA done and called it the 7mm Rem Mag. Thank the Lord for Layne Simpson !!! The STW, loaded to HIS data, is nothing short of nutz !!! I've been monkeying with one for about a decade. Consider a rifle that shoots a 140 grainer at about the same numbers as the .22-.250 shoots a 55 grainer......... THAT'S NUTZ !!! Mine's an accurized Model 70 Classic Stainless. Very good shooting rifle !!!
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Quote from: wvmntnhick on August 20, 2019, 06:02:17 AM
Can't go wrong with the 7 mag brother. I've had a few over the years. Dropped them all in favor of the 7 STW. It's bad medicine for open country game.
The 7-STW is BAD TO THE BONE !!! It's what I always thought Remington SHOULDA done and called it the 7mm Rem Mag. Thank the Lord for Layne Simpson !!! The STW, loaded to HIS data, is nothing short of nutz !!! I've been monkeying with one for about a decade. Consider a rifle that shoots a 140 grainer at about the same numbers as the .22-.250 shoots a 55 grainer......... THAT'S NUTZ !!! Mine's an accurized Model 70 Classic Stainless. Very good shooting rifle !!!
Have to ask, is that what you shoot? The 140's ? I do like the fact that that it can drive the heavier bullets faster which the 7 rem mag cannot . The 160 grain and up it is impressive.
I've only used 120's and 140's so far. Have some 150 or 160 (forget which) VLD's to try next. The lighter bullets are more just for the thrill of watching them go through the chronograph.
Probably 45-70 just for fun. I hate coyotes. I try to shoot them all in the face with any weapon I have.
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Can't go wrong with the 7 mag brother. I've had a few over the years. Dropped them all in favor of the 7 STW. It's bad medicine for open country game.
The 7-STW is BAD TO THE BONE !!! It's what I always thought Remington SHOULDA done and called it the 7mm Rem Mag. Thank the Lord for Layne Simpson !!! The STW, loaded to HIS data, is nothing short of nutz !!! I've been monkeying with one for about a decade. Consider a rifle that shoots a 140 grainer at about the same numbers as the .22-.250 shoots a 55 grainer......... THAT'S NUTZ !!! Mine's an accurized Model 70 Classic Stainless. Very good shooting rifle !!!
Have to ask, is that what you shoot? The 140's ? I do like the fact that that it can drive the heavier bullets faster which the 7 rem mag cannot . The 160 grain and up it is impressive.
Personally, I use the 160 federal trophy bonded tip. Haven't killed anything with that bullet but the group is around 2" at 500 yards. Less if I do my part. I've used the 139 Hornady sst at speeds that would make The Flash blush. One whitetails, it's entirely too much. Won't use it again like that. Might be fine at distance but at typical woods ranges, it's a touch hard on meat. It'll turn then inside out in a hurry.
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308 because of the wide range of factory loads and great selection of bullets to handload. I have a Tikka T3 Lite Compact in 308 that will do everything I want to do. :z-winnersmiley:
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Can't go wrong with the 7 mag brother. I've had a few over the years. Dropped them all in favor of the 7 STW. It's bad medicine for open country game.
The 7-STW is BAD TO THE BONE !!! It's what I always thought Remington SHOULDA done and called it the 7mm Rem Mag. Thank the Lord for Layne Simpson !!! The STW, loaded to HIS data, is nothing short of nutz !!! I've been monkeying with one for about a decade. Consider a rifle that shoots a 140 grainer at about the same numbers as the .22-.250 shoots a 55 grainer......... THAT'S NUTZ !!! Mine's an accurized Model 70 Classic Stainless. Very good shooting rifle !!!
Have to ask, is that what you shoot? The 140's ? I do like the fact that that it can drive the heavier bullets faster which the 7 rem mag cannot . The 160 grain and up it is impressive.
Personally, I use the 160 federal trophy bonded tip. Haven't killed anything with that bullet but the group is around 2" at 500 yards. Less if I do my part. I've used the 139 Hornady sst at speeds that would make The Flash blush. One whitetails, it's entirely too much. Won't use it again like that. Might be fine at distance but at typical woods ranges, it's a touch hard on meat. It'll turn then inside out in a hurry.
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I won't give my load recipe. But it's Layne Simpson data.
I get 3605 fps with 140 AccuBonds........which is, apparently, too fast for them. I use this rifle to punch paper and.ring steel. But I shot a whitetail doe behind the front shoulder with it at about 275 yards years back. The AccuBond made a 7mm hole in and a 7mm hole out. Never expanded. If I didn't have a half dozen guys helping me look for the deer, I'd likely have never found her. Never a drop of.blood.
Crazy how some bullets work isn't it.
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Can't go wrong with the 7 mag brother. I've had a few over the years. Dropped them all in favor of the 7 STW. It's bad medicine for open country game.
The 7-STW is BAD TO THE BONE !!! It's what I always thought Remington SHOULDA done and called it the 7mm Rem Mag. Thank the Lord for Layne Simpson !!! The STW, loaded to HIS data, is nothing short of nutz !!! I've been monkeying with one for about a decade. Consider a rifle that shoots a 140 grainer at about the same numbers as the .22-.250 shoots a 55 grainer......... THAT'S NUTZ !!! Mine's an accurized Model 70 Classic Stainless. Very good shooting rifle !!!
Have to ask, is that what you shoot? The 140's ? I do like the fact that that it can drive the heavier bullets faster which the 7 rem mag cannot . The 160 grain and up it is impressive.
Personally, I use the 160 federal trophy bonded tip. Haven't killed anything with that bullet but the group is around 2" at 500 yards. Less if I do my part. I've used the 139 Hornady sst at speeds that would make The Flash blush. One whitetails, it's entirely too much. Won't use it again like that. Might be fine at distance but at typical woods ranges, it's a touch hard on meat. It'll turn then inside out in a hurry.
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I won't give my load recipe. But it's Layne Simpson data.
I get 3605 fps with 140 AccuBonds........which is, apparently, too fast for them. I use this rifle to punch paper and.ring steel. But I shot a whitetail doe behind the front shoulder with it at about 275 yards years back. The AccuBond made a 7mm hole in and a 7mm hole out. Never expanded. If I didn't have a half dozen guys helping me look for the deer, I'd likely have never found her. Never a drop of.blood.
Layne wasn't afraid to push the envelope. His data was much hotter than the books allow. I've got a copy of the article his was published in. Blows my mind how much they doctored it down. Having said that, I personally can't get to where his data leads. My chamber is a bit tighter I'm guessing. It shows pressure signs on the brass quicker than his. Matter of fact, at his data, I get brass back that has the head stamp practically erased from the case. Primers pretty much fall out too. Regardless, my velocity is still right on the heels of his with less powder.
As for the bullet, at that range, it should've still pummeled that deer. I've used the NAB out of that gun. It was still a bomb. But, I clipped a shoulder so that could've made all the difference.
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Can't go wrong with the 7 mag brother. I've had a few over the years. Dropped them all in favor of the 7 STW. It's bad medicine for open country game.
The 7-STW is BAD TO THE BONE !!! It's what I always thought Remington SHOULDA done and called it the 7mm Rem Mag. Thank the Lord for Layne Simpson !!! The STW, loaded to HIS data, is nothing short of nutz !!! I've been monkeying with one for about a decade. Consider a rifle that shoots a 140 grainer at about the same numbers as the .22-.250 shoots a 55 grainer......... THAT'S NUTZ !!! Mine's an accurized Model 70 Classic Stainless. Very good shooting rifle !!!
Have to ask, is that what you shoot? The 140's ? I do like the fact that that it can drive the heavier bullets faster which the 7 rem mag cannot . The 160 grain and up it is impressive.
Personally, I use the 160 federal trophy bonded tip. Haven't killed anything with that bullet but the group is around 2" at 500 yards. Less if I do my part. I've used the 139 Hornady sst at speeds that would make The Flash blush. One whitetails, it's entirely too much. Won't use it again like that. Might be fine at distance but at typical woods ranges, it's a touch hard on meat. It'll turn then inside out in a hurry.
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I won't give my load recipe. But it's Layne Simpson data.
I get 3605 fps with 140 AccuBonds........which is, apparently, too fast for them. I use this rifle to punch paper and.ring steel. But I shot a whitetail doe behind the front shoulder with it at about 275 yards years back. The AccuBond made a 7mm hole in and a 7mm hole out. Never expanded. If I didn't have a half dozen guys helping me look for the deer, I'd likely have never found her. Never a drop of.blood.
Needed some bone for resistance ? Or another 275 yards or further to slow down to NORMAL rifle velocity levels. LOL.
Seriously thats interesting. So with 308 Win I had loaded the 150 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip in a 20" barrel at 2775 for my young son. I had some older ones and some newer. (box had changed style). Of course this load would shoot 5 in one hole so I loaded all of them I had left in new nickle REM brass. Deer killing time came and a nice buck with one side that had a full double beam, points and stickers everywhere, came by our blind and I swear the kid hit him perfect. Only about 75 yards, no blood and i watched the deer go across the pasture and jump the fence. No blood and never found. He hit one buck the next year in the neck, I told him too, went right down. Cool its all good. Next weekend hit a doe at 80 or so, she tore off full tilt like she was hit but no blood and no deer. That evening another doe at about 50 yards i know was hit as it was nocked over the pond dam and at about dark we went up to get her and no deer. kick her out of the brushpile at the other end of dam 30 minutes later with only a few spots of blood where she was hiding, after that nothing. Another lost deer. Went back to farm and pointed truck lights up range and had him shoot off the same tripod he uses in the blind. Two bulleyes at 100. Next doe shoulder hit and a 20 yard dash and down. Ok good right. Every one of those deer , in my experience with a .243 and 100 grain core-locks would have been down. Next deer a big buck 400 yards , I tell him shoot and the buck kicks and runs , follow blood 200 yards and notta. 3 days of searching found him hit perfect really, caliber size hole. 150 inch buck. Enough. Buy a box of hornady custom with 150 grain SST. next year doe at 150 DRT. Big buck, 140" at 275 DRT. About 10 deer since with hand loaded SST 150, DRT or 30 yard dash at the furthest. No comparison to what your using I know but just wanted to add it to the discussion.
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Can't go wrong with the 7 mag brother. I've had a few over the years. Dropped them all in favor of the 7 STW. It's bad medicine for open country game.
The 7-STW is BAD TO THE BONE !!! It's what I always thought Remington SHOULDA done and called it the 7mm Rem Mag. Thank the Lord for Layne Simpson !!! The STW, loaded to HIS data, is nothing short of nutz !!! I've been monkeying with one for about a decade. Consider a rifle that shoots a 140 grainer at about the same numbers as the .22-.250 shoots a 55 grainer......... THAT'S NUTZ !!! Mine's an accurized Model 70 Classic Stainless. Very good shooting rifle !!!
Have to ask, is that what you shoot? The 140's ? I do like the fact that that it can drive the heavier bullets faster which the 7 rem mag cannot . The 160 grain and up it is impressive.
Personally, I use the 160 federal trophy bonded tip. Haven't killed anything with that bullet but the group is around 2" at 500 yards. Less if I do my part. I've used the 139 Hornady sst at speeds that would make The Flash blush. One whitetails, it's entirely too much. Won't use it again like that. Might be fine at distance but at typical woods ranges, it's a touch hard on meat. It'll turn then inside out in a hurry.
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I won't give my load recipe. But it's Layne Simpson data.
I get 3605 fps with 140 AccuBonds........which is, apparently, too fast for them. I use this rifle to punch paper and.ring steel. But I shot a whitetail doe behind the front shoulder with it at about 275 yards years back. The AccuBond made a 7mm hole in and a 7mm hole out. Never expanded. If I didn't have a half dozen guys helping me look for the deer, I'd likely have never found her. Never a drop of.blood.
Needed some bone for resistance ? Or another 275 yards or further to slow down to NORMAL rifle velocity levels. LOL.
Seriously thats interesting. So with 308 Win I had loaded the 150 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip in a 20" barrel at 2775 for my young son. I had some older ones and some newer. (box had changed style). Of course this load would shoot 5 in one hole so I loaded all of them I had left in new nickle REM brass. Deer killing time came and a nice buck with one side that had a full double beam, points and stickers everywhere, came by our blind and I swear the kid hit him perfect. Only about 75 yards, no blood and i watched the deer go across the pasture and jump the fence. No blood and never found. He hit one buck the next year in the neck, I told him too, went right down. Cool its all good. Next weekend hit a doe at 80 or so, she tore off full tilt like she was hit but no blood and no deer. That evening another doe at about 50 yards i know was hit as it was nocked over the pond dam and at about dark we went up to get her and no deer. kick her out of the brushpile at the other end of dam 30 minutes later with only a few spots of blood where she was hiding, after that nothing. Another lost deer. Went back to farm and pointed truck lights up range and had him shoot off the same tripod he uses in the blind. Two bulleyes at 100. Next doe shoulder hit and a 20 yard dash and down. Ok good right. Every one of those deer , in my experience with a .243 and 100 grain core-locks would have been down. Next deer a big buck 400 yards , I tell him shoot and the buck kicks and runs , follow blood 200 yards and notta. 3 days of searching found him hit perfect really, caliber size hole. 150 inch buck. Enough. Buy a box of hornady custom with 150 grain SST. next year doe at 150 DRT. Big buck, 140" at 275 DRT. About 10 deer since with hand loaded SST 150, DRT or 30 yard dash at the furthest. No comparison to what your using I know but just wanted to add it to the discussion.
The NBT has changed. Shouldn't have made much difference in the grand scheme. They beefed up the jacket some with the change in labeling. This much I know. Well, at least in the 6mm and 7mm offerings anyway. They didn't explode as rapidly as the original. But, solid hits should've left dead deer regardless. I've had strange things happen with all types of bullets though. Heck, even with the Hornady IB's. Some would act like a FMJ and others like a grenade. From the same box no less. It's odd. Still left dead deer but the performance always had me on edge. If the deer was still on its feet, I was still pulling the trigger. If you wanna know what changed my mind on them all together, shoot me a pm. I'm not gonna post it on an open forum.
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Layne wasn't afraid to push the envelope. His data was much hotter than the books allow. I've got a copy of the article his was published in. Blows my mind how much they doctored it down. Having said that, I personally can't get to where his data leads. My chamber is a bit tighter I'm guessing. It shows pressure signs on the brass quicker than his. Matter of fact, at his data, I get brass back that has the head stamp practically erased from the case. Primers pretty much fall out too. Regardless, my velocity is still right on the heels of his with less powder.
As for the bullet, at that range, it should've still pummeled that deer. I've used the NAB out of that gun. It was still a bomb. But, I clipped a shoulder so that could've made all the difference.
I'm gonna take a wild.guess that you are using R22 powder.......... ??
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Layne wasn't afraid to push the envelope. His data was much hotter than the books allow. I've got a copy of the article his was published in. Blows my mind how much they doctored it down. Having said that, I personally can't get to where his data leads. My chamber is a bit tighter I'm guessing. It shows pressure signs on the brass quicker than his. Matter of fact, at his data, I get brass back that has the head stamp practically erased from the case. Primers pretty much fall out too. Regardless, my velocity is still right on the heels of his with less powder.
As for the bullet, at that range, it should've still pummeled that deer. I've used the NAB out of that gun. It was still a bomb. But, I clipped a shoulder so that could've made all the difference.
I'm gonna take a wild.guess that you are using R22 powder.......... ??
No sir! H1000 is the only powder I'll run down that tube. R22 had some serious pressure/temp sensitivity issues.
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Layne wasn't afraid to push the envelope. His data was much hotter than the books allow. I've got a copy of the article his was published in. Blows my mind how much they doctored it down. Having said that, I personally can't get to where his data leads. My chamber is a bit tighter I'm guessing. It shows pressure signs on the brass quicker than his. Matter of fact, at his data, I get brass back that has the head stamp practically erased from the case. Primers pretty much fall out too. Regardless, my velocity is still right on the heels of his with less powder.
As for the bullet, at that range, it should've still pummeled that deer. I've used the NAB out of that gun. It was still a bomb. But, I clipped a shoulder so that could've made all the difference.
I'm gonna take a wild.guess that you are using R22 powder.......... ??
No sir! H1000 is the only powder I'll run down that tube. R22 had some serious pressure/temp sensitivity issues.
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You better believe it has issues !!!!
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Layne wasn't afraid to push the envelope. His data was much hotter than the books allow. I've got a copy of the article his was published in. Blows my mind how much they doctored it down. Having said that, I personally can't get to where his data leads. My chamber is a bit tighter I'm guessing. It shows pressure signs on the brass quicker than his. Matter of fact, at his data, I get brass back that has the head stamp practically erased from the case. Primers pretty much fall out too. Regardless, my velocity is still right on the heels of his with less powder.
As for the bullet, at that range, it should've still pummeled that deer. I've used the NAB out of that gun. It was still a bomb. But, I clipped a shoulder so that could've made all the difference.
I'm gonna take a wild.guess that you are using R22 powder.......... ??
No sir! H1000 is the only powder I'll run down that tube. R22 had some serious pressure/temp sensitivity issues.
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You better believe it has issues !!!!
I've used it before. Not in that rifle. But I'd loaded and shot on a day when the temps were in the mid to low 50's. Summer cake and I tried it again with the temps in the 80's. Couldn't hardly lift the bolt. Last I touched it. Sad part, a buddy of mine swears by it. Says he's never had an issue. Don't understand it.
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Any body else ever notice when someone says 308 is their choice they don't say much else ;D
It's hard to discuss the merits without laughter. Like the 30-06, it just does everything well enough that it's gotten mundane. I've killed more deer with the 308 in the past few years than Tommy Lee gave women hepatitis. Great cartridge. Mine will do less than 1/4" with 5 rounds at 100 yards so long as the nut behind the stock isn't too loose. Hard to argue with the 308 in the end.
yep 30.06 bores me to tears. I much prefer the 308. Less powder, less kick , handier rifle . After that it's a 150-165 grain bullet into tight groups and done.
I'm not a gun collector, I only need one rifle. Growing up I shot a Savage bolt action 30-30 for years with a 3x9 slightly side mounted several degrees off center. It made nice little clover leafs at 100 yards with factory loads but a family member needed a starter gun, and I needed a new rifle. A Model 70 Featherweight in stainless with a nice piece of walnut furniture in .308 fit the bill for "less powder, less kick, handier rifle" perfectly. I haven't found a better handling rifle than this .308.
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Layne wasn't afraid to push the envelope. His data was much hotter than the books allow. I've got a copy of the article his was published in. Blows my mind how much they doctored it down. Having said that, I personally can't get to where his data leads. My chamber is a bit tighter I'm guessing. It shows pressure signs on the brass quicker than his. Matter of fact, at his data, I get brass back that has the head stamp practically erased from the case. Primers pretty much fall out too. Regardless, my velocity is still right on the heels of his with less powder.
As for the bullet, at that range, it should've still pummeled that deer. I've used the NAB out of that gun. It was still a bomb. But, I clipped a shoulder so that could've made all the difference.
I'm gonna take a wild.guess that you are using R22 powder.......... ??
No sir! H1000 is the only powder I'll run down that tube. R22 had some serious pressure/temp sensitivity issues.
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You better believe it has issues !!!!
I've used it before. Not in that rifle. But I'd loaded and shot on a day when the temps were in the mid to low 50's. Summer cake and I tried it again with the temps in the 80's. Couldn't hardly lift the bolt. Last I touched it. Sad part, a buddy of mine swears by it. Says he's never had an issue. Don't understand it.
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Same story here.
An R22 load that shot lights out in late October backed primers out the following May. I have a bunch of R22 I'd make someone a deal on..........
IMR-7828 is what my Model 70 likes to eat with the 140 grain stuff.
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Layne wasn't afraid to push the envelope. His data was much hotter than the books allow. I've got a copy of the article his was published in. Blows my mind how much they doctored it down. Having said that, I personally can't get to where his data leads. My chamber is a bit tighter I'm guessing. It shows pressure signs on the brass quicker than his. Matter of fact, at his data, I get brass back that has the head stamp practically erased from the case. Primers pretty much fall out too. Regardless, my velocity is still right on the heels of his with less powder.
As for the bullet, at that range, it should've still pummeled that deer. I've used the NAB out of that gun. It was still a bomb. But, I clipped a shoulder so that could've made all the difference.
I'm gonna take a wild.guess that you are using R22 powder.......... ??
No sir! H1000 is the only powder I'll run down that tube. R22 had some serious pressure/temp sensitivity issues.
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You better believe it has issues !!!!
I've used it before. Not in that rifle. But I'd loaded and shot on a day when the temps were in the mid to low 50's. Summer cake and I tried it again with the temps in the 80's. Couldn't hardly lift the bolt. Last I touched it. Sad part, a buddy of mine swears by it. Says he's never had an issue. Don't understand it.
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I've used it in a 30.06 loaded hot , still in the Nosler Data limits though with 180 grain partitions.
Never any problems . Great velocity and accuracy, summer and fall temps.
RL 19 100 grain NBT 25.06 Nosler data couldn't even get past the middle charge without pressure signs.
Sierr@ book data 100 grain Sierr@ pro hunter and hornady 100 sp RL 22 no problems.
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Any body else ever notice when someone says 308 is their choice they don't say much else ;D
It's hard to discuss the merits without laughter. Like the 30-06, it just does everything well enough that it's gotten mundane. I've killed more deer with the 308 in the past few years than Tommy Lee gave women hepatitis. Great cartridge. Mine will do less than 1/4" with 5 rounds at 100 yards so long as the nut behind the stock isn't too loose. Hard to argue with the 308 in the end.
yep 30.06 bores me to tears. I much prefer the 308. Less powder, less kick , handier rifle . After that it's a 150-165 grain bullet into tight groups and done.
I'm not a gun collector, I only need one rifle. Growing up I shot a Savage bolt action 30-30 for years with a 3x9 slightly side mounted several degrees off center. It made nice little clover leafs at 100 yards with factory loads but a family member needed a starter gun, and I needed a new rifle. A Model 70 Featherweight in stainless with a nice piece of walnut furniture in .308 fit the bill for "less powder, less kick, handier rifle" perfectly. I haven't found a better handling rifle than this .308.
I sight in a guys rifle about every two years or so , new scope or shells. Its a model 70 compact 308 wood stock , a beauty. Very nice straight shooting rifle .
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308 win. :z-guntootsmiley:
^^ This.
Jim
Would sure like to hear some reasons why this would be some of your all around choices. throw in some specifics on bullets you like too. :toothy9:
For Coyotes to Deer as dual purpose, I'd have to side with a .257 Roberts. Good varmint bullet selection and makes me feel a tad more comfortable with the idea of shooting deer with a .257 as opposed to a .24 or smaller caliber. Irrational? Absolutely, but it helps me sleep at night! FWIW, I tend towards splitting the two and going with a .222 Rem/.30-06 Sprg combination.
30 cal. guy myself 308 win hard to beat ammo available pretty much anywhere ( and affordable )short action light weight great knock down power very accurate ???????? snipers used them for years very fond of the 22-250 also but if i had to pick just one it would be the 308 just a personal preference you should shoot whatever you can hit what your aiming at with lol
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That how I feel. 308 okay cal but 30-06 is better
I do love my old browning 30-06
243
6mm creedmore
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25.06 75 grain to 120 grain, makes a bad day for whats in it way!
The 25-06 is my old reliable. I love the 22-250 a close second.
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25.06 75 grain to 120 grain, makes a bad day for whats in it way!
The 25-06 is my old reliable. I love the 22-250 a close second.
While I don't use the 25-06 much these days, if I were to pick one caliber to hunt deer the rest of my life, it would be something in the .257 realm. Always loved the 25-06. That's actually what I carried last year.
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