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The more you read on the Climate Change scam the more it doesn't add up. NASA and NOAA both have been caught more than once fudging the numbers to fit there theory. Adjusting the historic temperatures lower and increasing the current numbers to make the difference seem higher. More and more studies being done prove the Climate models they base the theory on are both inaccurate and don't work. .01 temperature rise in the last hundred years hardly seems like something worry about lol.
Nothing to worry about unless you're a power and control-hungry liberal who stands to increase his/her wealth and world influence by convincing the (sheep) masses that this crap is really science and THEY (and their legislations) are the only ones who can save you from certain destruction.
I'm a turkey hunter, conservative, and a hydrologist. I know it's a touchy subject but for the sake of future generations I wish we could come together on climate change. Yes it is really happening there is ample peer reviewed evidence that proves it. All I ask is to take an objective approach to it and do what you can to lower your personal carbon contribution without hurting your pocketbook.
It used to be global warming. Climate change fits right in there with The big bang theory and so called evolution. Its political agenda and has made a few politicians rich.
Quote from: falltoms on July 13, 2019, 08:03:39 PM
It used to be global warming. Climate change fits right in there with The big bang theory and so called evolution. Its political agenda and has made a few politicians rich.
I agree. How'd we get from ice age to this point. Must of been Mastedon,and Buffalo farts..
Quote from: cuttinAR on July 13, 2019, 07:14:30 PM
I'm a turkey hunter, conservative, and a hydrologist. I know it's a touchy subject but for the sake of future generations I wish we could come together on climate change. Yes it is really happening there is ample peer reviewed evidence that proves it. All I ask is to take an objective approach to it and do what you can to lower your personal carbon contribution without hurting your pocketbook.
Show me proof....the whole entire "theory" and that's exactly what it is a theory is based on computer models that have been PROVEN to be wrong and I cannot overemphasize the fact NASA and the NOAA were cooking the numbers. If this theory could be proven it would no longer be a theory. Just like the "Theory" of evolution if it was a fact they'd have found the proof by now. All you have are a few Scientists manipulating the numbers and the rest of the believers are just blindly following. If global warming was a fact there'd be plenty of proof without having to fake the numbers. Money as stated ....money is the motive for this whole thing.
Its another money making scheme for the democrat party and the liberal nation. Its hog wash.
I'll just go ahead and back out of this discussion. :TrainWreck1:
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Its another money making scheme for the democrat party and the liberal . Its hog wash.
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Quote from: cuttinAR on July 13, 2019, 07:14:30 PM
I'm a turkey hunter, conservative, and a hydrologist. I know it's a touchy subject but for the sake of future generations I wish we could come together on climate change. Yes it is really happening there is ample peer reviewed evidence that proves it. All I ask is to take an objective approach to it and do what you can to lower your personal carbon contribution without hurting your pocketbook.
Even if climate change/global warming wasn't a crock of **** China spews out over twice the carbon emissions as the US and China alone dumps more plastic in the Ocean than all other country's combined. You can sell your car turn off the electricity and live in the Stone Age if you want it will not make a difference. For every single liberal tree hugger millennial that rides a skateboard to his job at Starbucks there's 20 Chinese burning plastic.
If any of the climate change morons had any belief in the theory why don't they do something with China? The reason...China don't care cause its bull crap lol
Today it's called global warming back in the 1920s it was called the great dustbowl era and we had another great drought in the early 1800s so who knows...
Well he is my comment for what it is worth, I don't believe in saving the planet even if this is right or wrong, I believe in the Bible and it says this whole planet is going to burn anyway.
So that said I do believe in cleaning up after myself (and other slobs that pretend to be real hunters and leave their junk in the woods) (Yes so called hikers too, don't get bent out of shape)
I know smog is real because we can actually measure that and see it's effects on environment and peoples health, so why not try to do something about that?
No we will never save this planet, the Bible says not and God does not makes mistakes (Though the duckbill Platypus makes me think he has a sense of humor)
So that's that, we will not save this planet no matter what, but we can still do what we can to respect the planet we are on, use less plastics, pick up some trash where we see it, recycle if when we can and thank God every day for the time we have on it. Oh and please turn in poaching scum.
Some reading for anyone who doesn't think the climate is changing:
https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
https://www.mfe.govt.nz/climate-change/why-climate-change-matters/evidence-climate-change
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/03102017/infographic-ocean-heat-powerful-climate-change-evidence-global-warming
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/global-warming-real/
Of course there is climate change. It started with the Fall.
Quote from: idgobble on July 14, 2019, 12:51:45 AM
Some reading for anyone who doesn't think the climate is changing:
https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
https://www.mfe.govt.nz/climate-change/why-climate-change-matters/evidence-climate-change
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/03102017/infographic-ocean-heat-powerful-climate-change-evidence-global-warming
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/global-warming-real/
Nothing NASA says can be taken for the truth they adjusted the numbers to change the results fact. Any government agency who's sole reason for getting funds is to create a global warming crisis cannot be impartial. One side says the temperature has increased 1.62 degrees in the last hundred years the other side says .01 in hundred years. One side stands to gain monetarily the other does not...who do you believe? The Earth has gone thru warming and cooling cycles since God created the Earth no amount of tax payers dollars will change that. People better wake up this green deal they working on now, the only green will be what they take from your paycheck. The fact that they think the Earth will be destroyed in 12 years unless we throw a bunch of money at the problem,pretty much sums up the mentality of these Climate change doom croakers.
Just note that the article from Turku University referenced in the original post is not a peer-reviewed publication; it has only appeared on arXiv.org, which is a preprint server hosted by Cornell University. Any prospective authors meeting the criteria to obtain an account can put something up, either prior to going through scientific peer review or without any plans of submitting to a peer reviewed publication.
Quote from: Rapscallion Vermilion on July 14, 2019, 09:38:56 AM
Just note that the article from Turku University referenced in the original post is not a peer-reviewed publication; it has only appeared on arXiv.org, which is a preprint server hosted by Cornell University. Any prospective authors meeting the criteria to obtain an account can put something up, either prior to going through scientific peer review or without any plans of submitting to a peer reviewed publication.
This,Also it's from Infowars,Hardly reputable news.
I've noticed how climate change has affected some of the upland game I hunt. When I pointed it out to some hunting buddies they were surprised but, after thinking about it for awhile, agreed. It was very obvious but happened gradually over the last 20 years so it wasn't noticed by most. Noticing it has helped us be more successful in our hunting. I'm glad most other hunters haven't noticed it. A couple years ago, in a debate about climate change in my state Legislature, one of the denying legislators actually said, "Don't you listen to Rush Limbaugh?" He was serious! ::)
There are fluctuations in temperatures across the country now and since the beginning of time. The problem is trying to convince the sheep it's caused by man and we can somehow fix it with tax payer dollars. There is no consensus to any theory on Climate Change. It is clear there are some government appointed agency's who's whole existence is predicated on keeping the man made Climate Change scam going. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190714/11d5753e45ced7e161c3d0fd905c2770.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190714/0d98fc40324f4fe679e3230dc1a04381.jpg)
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Funny thing is after all this so called global warming the last 4-6 years have had almost more snow in NY then in I guess I would say the previous 4 prior years. Guess that means we are going into another so called ice age?
Of course climate is changing. It has been since long before we where here. Who should we blame for the fact that the glaciers that cut out half this continent disappeared. I dont think it was full size trucks.
Any human caused climactic change is the result of excessive fornication. We have too many people to allow what we love to continue to exist. One example is when driving at night it has become impossible to find a place to stop to urinate. Too many people and on top of our people excessively fornicating our "leaders" have excessively opened the borders to those who refuse to assimilate. It is a formula for extinction.
Quote from: Sir-diealot on July 14, 2019, 03:02:50 PM
Funny thing is after all this so called global warming the last 4-6 years have had almost more snow in NY then in I guess I would say the previous 4 prior years. Guess that means we are going into another so called ice age?
Global warming may cause climate change , such as more snow in certain areas
Oh my gosh! This tropical storm that just nailed us has to be due to climate change. I never would have thunk it!
The only "sheeple" are the ones that won't do the research. It's evident the polar ice caps are melting, that's a very measurable thing, and that obviously points to global warming.
The main question is whether we're just on a warming trend, or if we're harming our planet in a way that is causing this. In my opinion, I would guess its the latter, especially with reports of China secretly emitting CFC's that have been banned since the 80's globally, via the Montreal Protocol. This is a very serious issue, it's Trichloroflouromethane or (CFC-11) and it's burnt a hole in the ozone over Antarctica, likely meaning more of our southern ice cap to be diminishing in the near future.
Quote from: Bay1985 on July 14, 2019, 02:17:50 PM
There are fluctuations in temperatures across the country now and since the beginning of time. The problem is trying to convince the sheep it's caused by man and we can somehow fix it with tax payer dollars. There is no consensus to any theory on Climate Change. It is clear there are some government appointed agency's who's whole existence is predicated on keeping the man made Climate Change scam going.
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You say,"There is no consensus to any theory on Climate Change." Please explain why the following is not a consensus. --"Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree*: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. In addition, most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position. The following is a partial list of these organizations, along with links to their published statements and a selection of related resources."
https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
And while you're at it please explain why the organizations listed in the link are not credible and you have more knowledge of the issue than they do.
As for the 97% claim : " Depending on exactly how you measure the expert consensus, it's somewhere between 90% and 100% that agree humans are responsible for climate change, with most of our studies finding 97% consensus among publishing climate scientists."
https://skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus-basic.htm
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Quote from: Sir-diealot on July 14, 2019, 03:02:50 PM
Funny thing is after all this so called global warming the last 4-6 years have had almost more snow in NY then in I guess I would say the previous 4 prior years. Guess that means we are going into another so called ice age?
Global warming may cause climate change , such as more snow in certain areas
Thing is it has been more like it was most of my life, so is it climate change or just natural weather change? I honestly believe it is the later.
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Quote from: Bay1985 on July 14, 2019, 02:17:50 PM
There are fluctuations in temperatures across the country now and since the beginning of time. The problem is trying to convince the sheep it's caused by man and we can somehow fix it with tax payer dollars. There is no consensus to any theory on Climate Change. It is clear there are some government appointed agency's who's whole existence is predicated on keeping the man made Climate Change scam going.
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You say,"There is no consensus to any theory on Climate Change." Please explain why the following is not a consensus. --"Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree*: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. In addition, most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position. The following is a partial list of these organizations, along with links to their published statements and a selection of related resources."
https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
And while you're at it please explain why the organizations listed in the link are not credible and you have more knowledge of the issue than they do.
As for the 97% claim : " Depending on exactly how you measure the expert consensus, it's somewhere between 90% and 100% that agree humans are responsible for climate change, with most of our studies finding 97% consensus among publishing climate scientists."
https://skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus-basic.htm
You obviously did not look up the link I provided it explains in detail that the real percentage is 1.6% of scientists not 97% you notice you don't hear them throwing the 97% around anymore? It was proven false just like there fake temperatures.
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When your shown pictures of melted sea ice they never mention the fact that the pics are taken in the summer when Ice has melted or show pictures of the same area after freeze up. The ice caps are not melting. When the Global temperature rises by 54 degrees then we'll start worrying about sea levels lol till then don't hold your breath
Quote from: Bay1985 on July 14, 2019, 08:06:57 AM
Quote from: idgobble on July 14, 2019, 12:51:45 AM
Some reading for anyone who doesn't think the climate is changing:
https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
https://www.mfe.govt.nz/climate-change/why-climate-change-matters/evidence-climate-change
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/03102017/infographic-ocean-heat-powerful-climate-change-evidence-global-warming
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/global-warming-real/
Nothing NASA says can be taken for the truth they adjusted the numbers to change the results fact. Any government agency who's sole reason for getting funds is to create a global warming crisis cannot be impartial. One side says the temperature has increased 1.62 degrees in the last hundred years the other side says .01 in hundred years. One side stands to gain monetarily the other does not...who do you believe? The Earth has gone thru warming and cooling cycles since God created the Earth no amount of tax payers dollars will change that. People better wake up this green deal they working on now, the only green will be what they take from your paycheck. The fact that they think the Earth will be destroyed in 12 years unless we throw a bunch of money at the problem,pretty much sums up the mentality of these Climate change doom croakers.
Preach on brother! Wasn't it NASA that started that whole "round earth" conspiracy?
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Quote from: Bay1985 on July 14, 2019, 08:06:57 AM
Quote from: idgobble on July 14, 2019, 12:51:45 AM
Some reading for anyone who doesn't think the climate is changing:
https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
https://www.mfe.govt.nz/climate-change/why-climate-change-matters/evidence-climate-change
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/03102017/infographic-ocean-heat-powerful-climate-change-evidence-global-warming
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/global-warming-real/
Nothing NASA says can be taken for the truth they adjusted the numbers to change the results fact. Any government agency who's sole reason for getting funds is to create a global warming crisis cannot be impartial. One side says the temperature has increased 1.62 degrees in the last hundred years the other side says .01 in hundred years. One side stands to gain monetarily the other does not...who do you believe? The Earth has gone thru warming and cooling cycles since God created the Earth no amount of tax payers dollars will change that. People better wake up this green deal they working on now, the only green will be what they take from your paycheck. The fact that they think the Earth will be destroyed in 12 years unless we throw a bunch of money at the problem,pretty much sums up the mentality of these Climate change doom croakers.
Preach on brother! Wasn't it NASA that started that whole "round earth" conspiracy?
:TooFunny: I wasn't going to make any comments on this stuff,...but that was just too funny not to give you big thumbs up! How apropos!!
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Quote from: Bay1985 on July 14, 2019, 08:06:57 AM
Quote from: idgobble on July 14, 2019, 12:51:45 AM
Some reading for anyone who doesn't think the climate is changing:
https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
https://www.mfe.govt.nz/climate-change/why-climate-change-matters/evidence-climate-change
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/03102017/infographic-ocean-heat-powerful-climate-change-evidence-global-warming
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/global-warming-real/
Nothing NASA says can be taken for the truth they adjusted the numbers to change the results fact. Any government agency who's sole reason for getting funds is to create a global warming crisis cannot be impartial. One side says the temperature has increased 1.62 degrees in the last hundred years the other side says .01 in hundred years. One side stands to gain monetarily the other does not...who do you believe? The Earth has gone thru warming and cooling cycles since God created the Earth no amount of tax payers dollars will change that. People better wake up this green deal they working on now, the only green will be what they take from your paycheck. The fact that they think the Earth will be destroyed in 12 years unless we throw a bunch of money at the problem,pretty much sums up the mentality of these Climate change doom croakers.
Preach on brother! Wasn't it NASA that started that whole "round earth" conspiracy?
Surely you and Keyboard Comando don't really think NASA figured out the Earth wasn't flat. If you really believe that you need to seek help. If you know better then that was a really weak attempt at humor to avoid the facts stated.
Thankfully the ignore function on this sight works great so I have no idea what KC had to say ....but I'm guessing from previous experience it had zero intelligence or in anyway backed up his opinion of the subject or answered any question asked. Ima add ol Spurs Up to the cull pile he's clearly not capable of an intelligent response either
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Thankfully the ignore function on this sight works great so I have no idea what KC had to say ....but I'm guessing from previous experience it had zero intelligence or in anyway backed up his opinion of the subject or answered any question asked. Ima add ol Spurs Up to the cull pile he's clearly not capable of an intelligent response either
Nailed it on the first guess lol
Quote from: Bay1985 on July 14, 2019, 06:54:51 PM
Thankfully the ignore function on this sight works great so I have no idea what KC had to say ....but I'm guessing from previous experience it had zero intelligence or in anyway backed up his opinion of the subject or answered any question asked. Ima add ol Spurs Up to the cull pile he's clearly not capable of an intelligent response either
I'd like to read the econlib article you posted but can't find it when I search their archives. Was it removed? Please supply a link.
I rarely weigh in on debates, but here is my :z-twocents:...take it for what it's worth....VERY LITTLE.
Several years ago I saw part of a video about climate change. I didn't get to watch the whole thing and never got back to watching the rest of it. The video was made by some professor. Here is what I took from what I watched: Millions of years ago the whole earth was a very warm climate. A long came a massive volcanic explosion that spewed vast amounts of ash and smoke into the sky blocking the sun, causing the Ice Age. The earth's surface was completely covered in ice. Since that time the earth has slowly been returning to it's original temputure. Have we humans help to speed up the temputure recovery? It's very possible. Are there things we can to do slow it down? Again possibly.
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Quote from: Bay1985 on July 14, 2019, 02:17:50 PM
There are fluctuations in temperatures across the country now and since the beginning of time. The problem is trying to convince the sheep it's caused by man and we can somehow fix it with tax payer dollars. There is no consensus to any theory on Climate Change. It is clear there are some government appointed agency's who's whole existence is predicated on keeping the man made Climate Change scam going.
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You say,"There is no consensus to any theory on Climate Change." Please explain why the following is not a consensus. --"Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree*: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. In addition, most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position. The following is a partial list of these organizations, along with links to their published statements and a selection of related resources."
https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
And while you're at it please explain why the organizations listed in the link are not credible and you have more knowledge of the issue than they do.
As for the 97% claim : " Depending on exactly how you measure the expert consensus, it's somewhere between 90% and 100% that agree humans are responsible for climate change, with most of our studies finding 97% consensus among publishing climate scientists."
https://skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus-basic.htm
You obviously did not look up the link I provided it explains in detail that the real percentage is 1.6% of scientists not 97% you notice you don't hear them throwing the 97% around anymore? It was proven false just like there fake temperatures.
I did look at the article you put up a link for
https://www.econlib.org/archives/2014/03/16_not_97_agree.html (https://www.econlib.org/archives/2014/03/16_not_97_agree.html)
and here are the numbers referred to; with the re-analyzed numbers from Bahner as quoted in that link.
1,Explicitly endorses and quantifies AGW as 50+% : 64
2,Explicitly endorses but does not quantify or minimize: 922
3,Implicitly endorses AGW without minimizing it: 2910
4,No Position: 7970
5,Implicitly minimizes/rejects AGW: 54
6,Explicitly minimizes/rejects AGW but does not quantify: 15
7,Explicitly minimizes/rejects AGW as less than 50%: 9
Here is the pertinent Abstract text from the Cook paper in question:
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Among abstracts expressing a position on AGW, 97.1% endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming. In a second phase of this study, we invited authors to rate their own papers. Compared to abstract ratings, a smaller percentage of self-rated papers expressed no position on AGW (35.5%). Among self-rated papers expressing a position on AGW, 97.2% endorsed the consensus. For both abstract ratings and authors' self-ratings, the percentage of endorsements among papers expressing a position on AGW marginally increased over time.
Our analysis indicates that the number of papers rejecting the consensus on AGW is a vanishingly small proportion of the published research."I've put the two sentences in bold for emphasis. Both statements are consistent with the numbers quoted in the article you link. However, what has clearly happened is that the "Among abstracts expressing a position" qualifier has not been conveyed in the press. There are a multitude of reasons why a particular Abstract might not make a mention of AGW one way or another. Here's an example of one of the papers in Cook's data base that took no position in its abstract:
1991,Effects Of Climate On Reproduction In The European Wild Rabbit (oryctolagus-cuniculus),Journal Of Zoology,Bell
I do think it is a far reach to imagine that this paper took no position on AGW. However, the final sentence of the Cook abstract (in bold above) is consistent with the article you quote.
Just wondering, what does NASA have to say about ghosts? :P
Rapscallion, Wow! Thank you for clarifying that. Thank you for the link, too. Interesting comments at the end. Contrary to what Bay1985 is trying to convince us, there does seem to be overwhelming consensus among scientists that global warming/climate change is, at least, partly human caused. As NASA says, "The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is extremely likely (greater than 95 percent probability) to be the result of human activity since the mid-20th century and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented over decades to millennia."
"Soylent Green is people."
You may want to check the batteries in your calculator because your numbers are wrong again. There is not and never has been 97% agreement on climate change. The 97% number was thrown around for awhile and a lot of people assumed that was 97% of scientists. No the 97% was Cooks failed math of about 12000 studies and the actual math the real working calculator math is 1.6% agreed with Cook not 97% and that's 1.6% of 12000 not every scientist. His numbers were proven wrong and he retracted the statement. While your looking for new batteries for the calculator check the dictionary for the word consensus. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190715/deb6160ee4f287244aff87db4b6e3e05.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190715/64db9f2067dd5608901ac1aa425b743a.jpg)
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Hmmm, I haven't taken a position one way or another in anything I've said. I'm just trying to take a fair look at the numbers you quote. If I take category 1 and divide by the number of abstracts that had an identifiable position (3974), that is your 1.6%. But equally and fairly so, if I take category 7, I get 0.23%. Those are the opposing extremes. If I take 1+2+3, I get 98%. If I take the opposing views, 5+6+7, I get 2%. Now I happen to believe 98% is a whole lot bigger than 2%, but you are welcome to argue, maybe even quote another cartoon.
So to be clear you now have no position on the subject. No answer or proof to refute the Climate models that the whole entire man made Global warming scam is based on have been proven wrong more than once. No chance of denying that both NASA and the NOAA were caught manipulating the data to fit there theory because it is a fact. So the percentages don't confuse people let's look at the actual numbers 11944 studies with 64 agree in AGW and only 3896 even agree it is a real thing. This is turning into another one of your "because I think so but don't know why and can't prove it " attempts. Exactly like your I don't know why a Gould's turkey is the exact same bird as a barnyard turkey lol.
One thing that can't be argued is man is dumping tons of carbon in the atmosphere. That has to be having having an impact on the environment. I know (humans know) it's having an adverse affect on the oceans, I don't mean sea level rise.
How much does man affect climate change? I don't know but you'd better hope it is minimal. Because the world isn't slowing down anytime soon on the use of fossil fuels. Europe and the USA can reduce their fossil fuel use all they want the rest of the world will surpass that reduction.
In the 70's environmentalist stopped the expansion of nuclear power. We used coal and oil instead. Be careful what you wish for....
Now its clear you haven't really read the articles. You are confusing "studies" with whether or not the abstracts (and only the abstracts) in a very long list of papers had a discernible position on AGW. It seems like I've upset you. Sorry, that wasn't my intent.
We have a "Gould's turkey" reference in a climate change discussion(?) that sites Infowars as a source.....Nice!
You fellers keep this up and old Bay is gonna have to hit the ignore function on all of ya'! Pretty soon it will just be him and La yackin' back and forth. Of course, a bunch of us think they are the same person anywho, so maybe we can just convince 'em to forgit the typin' and jist talk to hisself! ....Would save all of us a bunch of head shakin', fo' sho. :toothy9: :blob10: :toothy9: :blob10:
...retreating back under my bridge for now.... :angel9:
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You fellers keep this up and old Bay is gonna have to hit the ignore function on all of ya'! Pretty soon it will just be him and La yackin' back and forth. Of course, a bunch of us think they are the same person anywho, so maybe we can just convince 'em to forgit the typin' and jist talk to hisself! ....Would save all of us a bunch of head shakin', fo' sho. :toothy9: :blob10: :toothy9: :blob10:
...retreating back under my bridge for now.... :angel9:
The whole global warming,Climate Change, illegal immigration,Russia interference, all a cover up for the real truth.
Gobbnut -Keyboard Comando- and Hilary Clinton are the same person! Boom truth bomb! On top of that I have sources that tell me he/she was never a Comando but really a "Keyboard private"
Now that the truth is out I'm sure KP will go tell like he always does when a thread goes wrong for him so he can have the thread deleted which was probably her plan all along lol
Here's a link of some history. Going through school in the 70's it was all doom and gloom for the next Ice age. Bubba
http://www.aei.org/publication/18-spectacularly-wrong-predictions-made-around-the-time-of-first-earth-day-in-1970-expect-more-this-year-2/
Ok, I'm back for one more post. After reading some of this nonsense I just can't help myself. For you climate deniers, I have one quote for you.
The great thing about science is it is true whether or not you believe in it.
Quote from: GobbleNut on July 14, 2019, 10:48:27 PM
You fellers keep this up and old Bay is gonna have to hit the ignore function on all of ya'! Pretty soon it will just be him and La yackin' back and forth. Of course, a bunch of us think they are the same person anywho, so maybe we can just convince 'em to forgit the typin' and jist talk to hisself! ....Would save all of us a bunch of head shakin', fo' sho. :toothy9: :blob10: :toothy9: :blob10:
...retreating back under my bridge for now.... :angel9:
Lol
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Quote from: LaLongbeard on July 15, 2019, 11:46:56 AM
Quote from: GobbleNut on July 14, 2019, 10:48:27 PM
You fellers keep this up and old Bay is gonna have to hit the ignore function on all of ya'! Pretty soon it will just be him and La yackin' back and forth. Of course, a bunch of us think they are the same person anywho, so maybe we can just convince 'em to forgit the typin' and jist talk to hisself! ....Would save all of us a bunch of head shakin', fo' sho. :toothy9: :blob10: :toothy9: :blob10:
...retreating back under my bridge for now.... :angel9:
Gobbnut -Keyboard Comando- and Hilary Clinton are the same person! Boom truth bomb! On top of that I have sources that tell me he/she was never a Comando but really a "Keyboard private"
Now that the truth is out I'm sure KP will go tell like he always does when a thread goes wrong for him so he can have the thread deleted which was probably her plan all along lol
Ahhh yes,...resort to the old "I know what you are but what am I" kindergarten defense! Well played, LaBay (or is it LaBaybeard?), well played! You really know how to put a guy in his place! I shudder to think what you might come up with next. ...Maybe the "I'm rubber and you're glue" ploy? No, wait,...that comes at the first grade level!
I am sure we all await with bated breath. Please don't disappoint all of us by saying something bordering on intelligence... :toothy12:
Quote from: cuttinAR on July 15, 2019, 12:20:57 PM
Ok, I'm back for one more post. After reading some of this nonsense I just can't help myself. For you climate deniers, I have one quote for you.
The great thing about science is it is true whether or not you believe it in.
I agree with the quote... I'd add it has to be proven factual science. This man made Climate change hasn't been proven. The Climate models and calculations have been proven both wrong and fabricated.
If you believe in global warming or not the truth is 1st world countries are reducing carbon emissions by:
Building solar/wind generation
Eliminating dependency on coal and oil
Developing electric cars for everyday use
There is no stopping this....within 10-15 years the transformation of society will reflect these new realities.
Quote from: Bay1985 on July 15, 2019, 02:50:29 PM
Quote from: cuttinAR on July 15, 2019, 12:20:57 PM
Ok, I'm back for one more post. After reading some of this nonsense I just can't help myself. For you climate deniers, I have one quote for you.
The great thing about science is it is true whether or not you believe it in.
I agree with the quote... I'd add it has to be proven factual science. This man made Climate change hasn't been proven. The Climate models and calculations have been proven both wrong and fabricated.
So measurable effects such as ozone layer depletion and polar ice cap reduction aren't solid enough proof? Anyone that doesn't want to believe and thinks it's only a scam to get people's money is in total paranoia and borderline has a persecution complex.
A quote from Neil DeGrasse Tyson that certainly applies to some if not most:
"I am convinced that the act of thinking logically cannot possibly be natural to the human mind."
Quote from: cuttinAR on July 15, 2019, 12:20:57 PM
Ok, I'm back for one more post. After reading some of this nonsense I just can't help myself. For you climate deniers, I have one quote for you.
The great thing about science is it is true whether or not you believe in it.
Major problem with that quote, first science said the world was created by an explosion, then they said an implosion, then there was a thing about it being spun together at one time. Science constantly contradicts itself, that is just one example.
Quote from: Crghss on July 15, 2019, 03:11:20 PM
If you believe in global warming or not the truth is 1st world countries are reducing carbon emissions by:
Building solar/wind generation
Eliminating dependency on coal and oil
Developing electric cars for everyday use
There is no stopping this....within 10-15 years the transformation of society will reflect these new realities.
...And none too soon, I might add. Unfortunately, I am not so sure it will make a difference at this point,...but at least it gives us hope.
Quote from: Crghss on July 15, 2019, 03:11:20 PM
If you believe in global warming or not the truth is 1st world countries are reducing carbon emissions by:
Building solar/wind generation
Eliminating dependency on coal and oil
Developing electric cars for everyday use
There is no stopping this....within 10-15 years the transformation of society will reflect these new realities.
You will not see a reduction of oil usage in your lifetime or your kids lifetime. I work for one of the largest Oil Refineries on the Gulf Coast and we have been setting production records for years with no reduction foreseeable. There is to much money in the drilling, transportation, refining and sale of oil and oil products. Not to mention the tax revenue and export income. The world runs on oil period. And even if all the tree huggers in the US could flip a switch and turn America all electric it would not slow down fossil fuel usage it would only cripple the US economy. You may have been gullible enough to buy an electric car but the transformation of a society built and ran on oil is delusional.
Quote from: Bay1985 on July 15, 2019, 05:17:11 PM
You will not see a reduction of oil usage in your lifetime or your kids lifetime. I work for one of the largest Oil Refineries on the Gulf Coast and we have been setting production records for years with no reduction foreseeable. There is to much money in the drilling, transportation, refining and sale of oil and oil products. Not to mention the tax revenue and export income. The world runs on oil period. And even if all the tree huggers in the US could flip a switch and turn America all electric it would not slow down fossil fuel usage it would only cripple the US economy. You may have been gullible enough to buy an electric car but the transformation of a society built and ran on oil is delusional.
...And that right there, ladies and gentlemen, tells us all we need to know about where Mr. LaBay gets his "facts" from.... :TooFunny: :happy0064: :z-guntootsmiley: :newmascot:
I don't have an electric car, I drive a Ram 1500 HEMI V8. But I can read. ALL vehicle manufacturers are pumping Billions in too electric car development. ALL electric companies are converting to renewables and natural gas. For those that don't will cease to exist.
We have a ways to go before we reduce our dependence on oil but that does not negate the fact we will switch too electric cars and renewables.....and all because there is too much money too be made. Electric cars are significantly cheaper, nuclear energy is the only cheaper source of electricity other then renewables (solar/wind).
The USA exports more gas/oil then any other country. That doesn't mean we won't reduce our consumption of oil. It is too cost effective too not move away from oil. Just as we've eliminated our reliance of coal we will do the same with oil. It's called progress.
Quote from: Crghss on July 15, 2019, 07:08:03 PM
I don't have an electric car, I drive a Ram 1500 HEMI V8. But I can read. ALL vehicle manufacturers are pumping Billions in too electric car development. ALL electric companies are converting to renewables and natural gas. For those that don't will cease to exist.
We have a ways to go before we reduce our dependence on oil but that does not negate the fact we will switch too electric cars and renewables.....and all because there is too much money too be made. Electric cars are significantly cheaper, nuclear energy is the only cheaper source of electricity other then renewables (solar/wind).
The USA exports more gas/oil then any other country. That doesn't mean we won't reduce our consumption of oil. It is too cost effective too not move away from oil. Just as we've eliminated our reliance of coal we will do the same with oil. It's called progress.
The point of my original post was that our government is wasting tax payer dollars trying to fix a fabricated doom scenario backed by fake scientific data that has been proven wrong.
Concerning US oil consumption, you claim in 10-15 years there will be a transformation of society. Now you say we have a ways to go. My previous statement stands ,not in your lifetime. You stated there's to much money to be made. How in your mind does that work? Electric cars and wind power are cheaper, then were will the profits come from? You apparently have no idea how much of the US economy is tied up in Oil. Even if the US had a ready made source of free energy available that could keep up with the demands, which they don't, to many politicians are being payed by the Oil companies to keep that from happening. And non of this makes any difference to China or any other Oil consuming country.
And non of that has anything to do with fabricated science fiction theories.
Where do you see "government is wasting tax payer dollars trying to fix a fabricated doom scenario"? Where exactly do you think this money is being spent/wasted?
Quote from: Sir-diealot on July 15, 2019, 04:03:41 PM
Quote from: cuttinAR on July 15, 2019, 12:20:57 PM
Ok, I'm back for one more post. After reading some of this nonsense I just can't help myself. For you climate deniers, I have one quote for you.
The great thing about science is it is true whether or not you believe in it.
Major problem with that quote, first science said the world was created by an explosion, then they said an implosion, then there was a thing about it being spun together at one time. Science constantly contradicts itself, that is just one example.
So as technology advances, so does our understanding of things. Science is supposed to have conflicting ideas until eventually a consensus is reached.
Do you think when that apple fell that Newton everyone immediately believed in his theory of gravity? Would you agree that the force of gravity is a consensus theory now? Or that Galileo's heliocentric theory that the Earth orbits the Sun is now consensus? Of course at the time Galileo was placed under arrest for the theories. Interesting enough the Roman Catholic Church concluded that heliocentrism was "foolish and absurd in philosophy, and formally heretical since it explicitly contradicts in many places the sense of Holy Scripture". Even more interesting is that a Jesuit Priest, Georges Lemaître, developed the explosion theory (Big Bang) that you alluded to. For those that don't know the Jesuit Priests are the scientific arm of the Catholic Church. Essentially the same church that once demonized Galileo was the first to propose the Big Bang theory. That's science in its essence.
Objective truths are what they are no matter your political, theological, etc. beliefs may be. I'm not here to change anyone's mind and I meant to only comment once, however I'd encourage all to look up the facts on climate change and not be swayed by personal beliefs and ideologies.
Quote from: Crghss on July 15, 2019, 08:19:42 PM
Where do you see "government is wasting tax payer dollars trying to fix a fabricated doom scenario"? Where exactly do you think this money is being spent/wasted?
You haven't answered my question but I will answer yours. NASA and any other government agency that has contributed to this "Theory" was paid by tax payer dollars. Ever heard of the Paris agreement that Obummer signed is up for? If not look it up.It would have tanked the US and it wouldn't matter how cheap an electric car is if you don't have any money to buy one.
Now unless you can answer my questions we are done....move along
The Big Bang, evolution also only a theory
"A skeptic will question claims, then embrace the evidence. A denier will question claims, then reject the evidence."
/thread
Quote from: Bay1985 on July 15, 2019, 07:46:16 PM
Quote from: Crghss on July 15, 2019, 07:08:03 PM
I don't have an electric car, I drive a Ram 1500 HEMI V8. But I can read. ALL vehicle manufacturers are pumping Billions in too electric car development. ALL electric companies are converting to renewables and natural gas. For those that don't will cease to exist.
We have a ways to go before we reduce our dependence on oil but that does not negate the fact we will switch too electric cars and renewables.....and all because there is too much money too be made. Electric cars are significantly cheaper, nuclear energy is the only cheaper source of electricity other then renewables (solar/wind).
The USA exports more gas/oil then any other country. That doesn't mean we won't reduce our consumption of oil. It is too cost effective too not move away from oil. Just as we've eliminated our reliance of coal we will do the same with oil. It's called progress.
The point of my original post was that our government is wasting tax payer dollars trying to fix a fabricated doom scenario backed by fake scientific data that has been proven wrong.
Concerning US oil consumption, you claim in 10-15 years there will be a transformation of society. Now you say we have a ways to go. My previous statement stands ,not in your lifetime. You stated there's to much money to be made. How in your mind does that work? Electric cars and wind power are cheaper, then were will the profits come from? You apparently have no idea how much of the US economy is tied up in Oil. Even if the US had a ready made source of free energy available that could keep up with the demands, which they don't, to many politicians are being payed by the Oil companies to keep that from happening. And non of this makes any difference to China or any other Oil consuming country.
And non of that has anything to do with fabricated science fiction theories.
Bank Of America: Oil Demand Growth To Hit Zero Within A Decade
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Bank-Of-America-Oil-Demand-Growth-To-Hit-Zero-Within-A-Decade.html
How did Paris Accord cost the USA any money? It was just a piece of paper that didn't cost the USA anything. What in the Paris would have tanked the US economy?
Quote from: Bay1985 on July 15, 2019, 09:01:34 PM
Quote from: Crghss on July 15, 2019, 08:48:11 PM
How did Paris Accord cost the USA any money? It was just a piece of paper that didn't cost the USA anything. What in the Paris would have tanked the US economy?
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Like I said you've answered nothing your done
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Quote from: idgobble on July 15, 2019, 08:47:34 PM
Quote from: Bay1985 on July 15, 2019, 07:46:16 PM
Quote from: Crghss on July 15, 2019, 07:08:03 PM
I don't have an electric car, I drive a Ram 1500 HEMI V8. But I can read. ALL vehicle manufacturers are pumping Billions in too electric car development. ALL electric companies are converting to renewables and natural gas. For those that don't will cease to exist.
We have a ways to go before we reduce our dependence on oil but that does not negate the fact we will switch too electric cars and renewables.....and all because there is too much money too be made. Electric cars are significantly cheaper, nuclear energy is the only cheaper source of electricity other then renewables (solar/wind).
The USA exports more gas/oil then any other country. That doesn't mean we won't reduce our consumption of oil. It is too cost effective too not move away from oil. Just as we've eliminated our reliance of coal we will do the same with oil. It's called progress.
The point of my original post was that our government is wasting tax payer dollars trying to fix a fabricated doom scenario backed by fake scientific data that has been proven wrong.
Concerning US oil consumption, you claim in 10-15 years there will be a transformation of society. Now you say we have a ways to go. My previous statement stands ,not in your lifetime. You stated there's to much money to be made. How in your mind does that work? Electric cars and wind power are cheaper, then were will the profits come from? You apparently have no idea how much of the US economy is tied up in Oil. Even if the US had a ready made source of free energy available that could keep up with the demands, which they don't, to many politicians are being payed by the Oil companies to keep that from happening. And non of this makes any difference to China or any other Oil consuming country.
And non of that has anything to do with fabricated science fiction theories.
Bank Of America: Oil Demand Growth To Hit Zero Within A Decade
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Bank-Of-America-Oil-Demand-Growth-To-Hit-Zero-Within-A-Decade.html
Another theory read the entire article. If you believe the CC scam you probably also believe the Earth will be gone in 12 years so why are you worrying about oil consumption in 10 years lol
Quote from: Bay1985 on July 15, 2019, 05:17:11 PM
Quote from: Crghss on July 15, 2019, 03:11:20 PM
If you believe in global warming or not the truth is 1st world countries are reducing carbon emissions by:
Building solar/wind generation
Eliminating dependency on coal and oil
Developing electric cars for everyday use
There is no stopping this....within 10-15 years the transformation of society will reflect these new realities.
You will not see a reduction of oil usage in your lifetime or your kids lifetime. I work for one of the largest Oil Refineries on the Gulf Coast and we have been setting production records for years with no reduction foreseeable. There is to much money in the drilling, transportation, refining and sale of oil and oil products. Not to mention the tax revenue and export income. The world runs on oil period. And even if all the tree huggers in the US could flip a switch and turn America all electric it would not slow down fossil fuel usage it would only cripple the US economy. You may have been gullible enough to buy an electric car but the transformation of a society built and ran on oil is delusional.
True this.
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Didn't realize there was a question in your original post, thought it was rant against global warming....
You do realize that even thought we pulled out of Paris accord we will meet the reduction of carbon emission in the time frame allotted in the agreement?
Quote from: Crghss on July 15, 2019, 08:48:11 PM
How did Paris Accord cost the USA any money? It was just a piece of paper that didn't cost the USA anything. What in the Paris would have tanked the US economy?
No other country would have funded a single thing. It would have been another US taxpayer burden.
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Quote from: cuttinAR on July 15, 2019, 08:24:46 PM
Quote from: Sir-diealot on July 15, 2019, 04:03:41 PM
Quote from: cuttinAR on July 15, 2019, 12:20:57 PM
Ok, I'm back for one more post. After reading some of this nonsense I just can't help myself. For you climate deniers, I have one quote for you.
The great thing about science is it is true whether or not you believe in it.
Major problem with that quote, first science said the world was created by an explosion, then they said an implosion, then there was a thing about it being spun together at one time. Science constantly contradicts itself, that is just one example.
So as technology advances, so does our understanding of things. Science is supposed to have conflicting ideas until eventually a consensus is reached.
Don't you think when that apple fell that Newton everyone immediately believed in his theory of gravity? Would you agree that the force of gravity is a consensus theory now? Or that Galileo's heliocentric theory that the Earth orbits the Sun is now consensus? Of course at the time Galileo was placed under arrest for the theories. Interesting enough the Roman Catholic Church concluded that heliocentrism was "foolish and absurd in philosophy, and formally heretical since it explicitly contradicts in many places the sense of Holy Scripture". Even more interesting is that a Jesuit Priest, Georges Lemaître, developed the explosion theory (Big Bang) that you alluded to. For those that don't know the Jesuit Priests are the scientific arm of the Catholic Church. Essentially the same church that once demonized Galileo was the first to propose the Big Bang theory. That's science in its essence.
Objective truths are what they are no matter your political, theological, etc. beliefs may be. I'm not here to change anyone's mind and I meant to only comment once, however I'd encourage all to look up the facts on climate change and not be swayed by personal beliefs and ideologies.
I will not comment on the catholic church here, I can guarantee you if I gave my beliefs on them there would be all out war. Suffice to say I believe VERY LITTLE that comes from them and we will leave it at that. Oh I am Italian, Irish and German, I was raised catholic.
A theory agreed upon is still a theory, I know many people, even well educated people (One is a college professor) that believe the world is flat. They have their consensus, but it is wrong.
Is it almost turkey season yet? Little early to be jabbing back and forth.
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on July 15, 2019, 10:18:43 PM
Is it almost turkey season yet? Little early to be jabbing back and forth.
Then it's back to the same 'ol chit. No decoys, no blinds, no reaping,no bearded hens,no 41 yrd shots. At least this is a post about bigfoot,space aliens and other myths.
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Here are some crazy ideas:
1) If any of us want to introduce a topic on this site, start off by recognizing that we are not all clones that have the same positions and attitudes on whatever that topic is.
2) If you know beforehand that your topic is likely to initiate a "forum brawl", then perhaps it would be best just to not bring it up.
3) Introduce any topic respectfully and in a manner that does not belittle, insult, or otherwise anger those with differing opinions.
4) When someone counters your position with a respectful response, do not immediately go to the "You don't know what you are talking about mind-set" and become disrespectful and insulting to them.
5) Try to stay away from hyperbole, "apples to oranges" comparisons, or general nonsense that has no basis in factual application to the discussion at hand.
6) Remember, you are entitled to your respectful opinions about something, but you are not entitled to your own set of facts that, in fact, have no basis in fact.
7) Remember Shannon's golden rule: Be Nice!
...If we can all stick to the above, we will be fine. :icon_thumright:
Quote from: GobbleNut on July 16, 2019, 08:09:22 AM
Here are some crazy ideas:
1) If any of us want to introduce a topic on this site, start off by recognizing that we are not all clones that have the same positions and attitudes on whatever that topic is.
2) If you know beforehand that your topic is likely to initiate a "forum brawl", then perhaps it would be best just to not bring it up.
3) Introduce any topic respectfully and in a manner that does not belittle, insult, or otherwise anger those with differing opinions.
4) When someone counters your position with a respectful response, do not immediately go to the "You don't know what you are talking about mind-set" and become disrespectful and insulting to them.
5) Try to stay away from hyperbole, "apples to oranges" comparisons, or general nonsense that has no basis in factual application to the discussion at hand.
6) Remember, you are entitled to your respectful opinions about something, but you are not entitled to your own set of facts that, in fact, have no basis in fact.
7) Remember Shannon's golden rule: Be Nice!
...If we can all stick to the above, we will be fine. :icon_thumright:
How about not commenting at all of the subject upsets you? You may think you have to respond to every single post on the forum but that's all in your head. #6 I'll add if you don't have facts that disprove what someone else posted an emoji will not prove your position.
Quote from: LaLongbeard on July 16, 2019, 11:10:11 AM
Quote from: GobbleNut on July 16, 2019, 08:09:22 AM
Here are some crazy ideas:
1) If any of us want to introduce a topic on this site, start off by recognizing that we are not all clones that have the same positions and attitudes on whatever that topic is.
2) If you know beforehand that your topic is likely to initiate a "forum brawl", then perhaps it would be best just to not bring it up.
3) Introduce any topic respectfully and in a manner that does not belittle, insult, or otherwise anger those with differing opinions.
4) When someone counters your position with a respectful response, do not immediately go to the "You don't know what you are talking about mind-set" and become disrespectful and insulting to them.
5) Try to stay away from hyperbole, "apples to oranges" comparisons, or general nonsense that has no basis in factual application to the discussion at hand.
6) Remember, you are entitled to your respectful opinions about something, but you are not entitled to your own set of facts that, in fact, have no basis in fact.
7) Remember Shannon's golden rule: Be Nice!
...If we can all stick to the above, we will be fine. :icon_thumright:
How about not commenting at all of the subject upsets you? You may think you have to respond to every single post on the forum but that's all in your head. #6 I'll add if you don't have facts that disprove what someone else posted an emoji will not prove your position.
Why am I not surprised that you responded,...or that your comment reflects exactly the point I was trying to make? Some folks here just don't get it....
Just took a count 11 people posted agreed that the CC is a money making scam, 5 disagreed and believe it is real. 3 made some comments but made took no position one way or the other. There were only 3 that actually argued or contributed to the argument and you were one of them. I'm not surprised you don't understand that.
Quote from: GobbleNut on July 16, 2019, 11:25:51 AM
Quote from: LaLongbeard on July 16, 2019, 11:10:11 AM
Quote from: GobbleNut on July 16, 2019, 08:09:22 AM
Here are some crazy ideas:
1) If any of us want to introduce a topic on this site, start off by recognizing that we are not all clones that have the same positions and attitudes on whatever that topic is.
2) If you know beforehand that your topic is likely to initiate a "forum brawl", then perhaps it would be best just to not bring it up.
3) Introduce any topic respectfully and in a manner that does not belittle, insult, or otherwise anger those with differing opinions.
4) When someone counters your position with a respectful response, do not immediately go to the "You don't know what you are talking about mind-set" and become disrespectful and insulting to them.
5) Try to stay away from hyperbole, "apples to oranges" comparisons, or general nonsense that has no basis in factual application to the discussion at hand.
6) Remember, you are entitled to your respectful opinions about something, but you are not entitled to your own set of facts that, in fact, have no basis in fact.
7) Remember Shannon's golden rule: Be Nice!
...If we can all stick to the above, we will be fine. :icon_thumright:
How about not commenting at all of the subject upsets you? You may think you have to respond to every single post on the forum but that's all in your head. #6 I'll add if you don't have facts that disprove what someone else posted an emoji will not prove your position.
Why am I not surprised that you responded,...or that your comment reflects exactly the point I was trying to make? Some folks here just don't get it....
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Quote from: LaLongbeard on July 16, 2019, 11:29:50 AM
Just took a count 11 people posted agreed that the CC is a money making scam, 5 disagreed and believe it is real. 3 made some comments but made took no position one way or the other. There were only 3 that actually argued or contributed to the argument and you were one of them. I'm not surprised you don't understand that.
I am sorry but you are missing the entire point here. It does not matter how many people agree or disagree with something posted. What matters is that all of the members here have a right to have their opinions respected,...and they most certainly have the right to post those opinions respectfully without ridicule from those that disagree with them. You and your alter-ego are the two individuals that don't seem to comprehend that. You somehow believe it is your right to post something, regardless of how unsavory it might be,...and how distastefully you present it to others here,...without any response.
If you don't want to see people respond to your posts, DON'T POST STUFF THAT OTHER PEOPLE TAKE EXCEPTION TO! And if you do post that stuff, you damn well better expect those of us that disagree vehemently with your position to say something back that counters it. And if we do, you damn well better learn to stop resorting to insulting people every single time it happens!,....which is exactly what you do!
Learn how to interact with people in a socially acceptable way and all will be fine! If you are not capable of doing that,...which so far you have not shown you are,...then do us all a favor and leave. Geesus, man,...Get a clue!
I apologize for this rant to everybody else on this site that comes here to have a little friendly interaction with other turkey hunters,...but for God's sake, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
Quote from: fallhnt on July 15, 2019, 11:41:31 PM
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on July 15, 2019, 10:18:43 PM
Is it almost turkey season yet? Little early to be jabbing back and forth.
Then it's back to the same 'ol chit. No decoys, no blinds, no reaping,no bearded hens,no 41 yrd shots. At least this is a post about bigfoot,space aliens and other myths.
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This post right here made reading all 6 pages worth it haha Bubba
Quote from: GobbleNut on July 16, 2019, 12:33:50 PM
Quote from: LaLongbeard on July 16, 2019, 11:29:50 AM
Just took a count 11 people posted agreed that the CC is a money making scam, 5 disagreed and believe it is real. 3 made some comments but made took no position one way or the other. There were only 3 that actually argued or contributed to the argument and you were one of them. I'm not surprised you don't understand that.
I am sorry but you are missing the entire point here. It does not matter how many people agree or disagree with something posted. What matters is that all of the members here have a right to have their opinions respected,...and they most certainly have the right to post those opinions respectfully without ridicule from those that disagree with them. You and your alter-ego are the two individuals that don't seem to comprehend that. You somehow believe it is your right to post something, regardless of how unsavory it might be,...and how distastefully you present it to others here,...without any response.
If you don't want to see people respond to your posts, DON'T POST STUFF THAT OTHER PEOPLE TAKE EXCEPTION TO! And if you do post that stuff, you damn well better expect those of us that disagree vehemently with your position to say something back that counters it. And if we do, you damn well better learn to stop resorting to insulting people every single time it happens!,....which is exactly what you do!
Learn how to interact with people in a socially acceptable way and all will be fine! If you are not capable of doing that,...which so far you have not shown you are,...then do us all a favor and leave. Geesus, man,...Get a clue!
I apologize for this rant to everybody else on this site that comes here to have a little friendly interaction with other turkey hunters,...but for God's sake, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
You are the one that started the whole argument and are to senile to know it. You even went so far as to quote someone that has already made it clear they have put you on the ignore list and yet you kept trying to goad an argument out of them with quote about the guys job. You never made any comment that included any facts or in anyway contributed to the thread. Every comment you made was argumentative or was accusing me of being the same person as the OP. Then a day later your back with your long drawn out posts trying to tell us how to get along. You spend all day sitting around the nursing home in a full diaper commenting on every single post. The other posters that disagreed had actual thoughts and opinions to back them up all you had was negative and lame comments lol. Ima go ahead and ignore you myself so I don't have to read anymore of your garbage... or wait maybe I already have. You have been removed from my presence.
I give! You are right. I am the one at fault here. Shannon, please boot me off of the site and put me out of everybody's misery! We will consider it to be a "mercy banning"!!
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Is that enough emojis for you LaBayBeard? :character0029: :character0029: :character0029: :character0029: :character0029: :character0029: :character0029: :character0029: :character0029: :character0029: :character0029: :character0029: :character0029:
Whoops! Dammit! How do those keep popping up?!! :dancingturkey: :dancingturkey: :dancingturkey: :dancingturkey: :dancingturkey:
What?!! Ohhh, NOoooo! More emojis! Run awayyyy LaBayBeard! Run Awayyyy!! :funnyturkey: :funnyturkey: :funnyturkey: :funnyturkey: :funnyturkey: :funnyturkey: :funnyturkey: :funnyturkey:
Cluck cluck
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Quote from: guesswho on July 16, 2019, 05:18:29 PM
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Are those fighting purrs or just the regular kind? :toothy12:
I would add more emojis to this but I don't want to scare LaBayBeard. He's such a sensitive guy after all....not to mention completely rational,... and rumor has it he is a "stabbel Jeenious", too!
:toothy9: (Oh, crap,..sorry LaBayBeard,...those emojis just keeping jumpin' onto the page. My bad! ...didn't mean to scare ya!)
I'm just waiting for the BOOM now.
Quote from: LaLongbeard on July 16, 2019, 11:29:50 AM
Just took a count 11 people posted agreed that the CC is a money making scam, 5 disagreed and believe it is real. 3 made some comments but made took no position one way or the other. There were only 3 that actually argued or contributed to the argument and you were one of them. I'm not surprised you don't understand that.Quote from: GobbleNut on July 16, 2019, 11:25:51 AM
Quote from: LaLongbeard on July 16, 2019, 11:10:11 AM
Quote from: GobbleNut on July 16, 2019, 08:09:22 AM
Here are some crazy ideas:
1) If any of us want to introduce a topic on this site, start off by recognizing that we are not all clones that have the same positions and attitudes on whatever that topic is.
2) If you know beforehand that your topic is likely to initiate a "forum brawl", then perhaps it would be best just to not bring it up.
3) Introduce any topic respectfully and in a manner that does not belittle, insult, or otherwise anger those with differing opinions.
4) When someone counters your position with a respectful response, do not immediately go to the "You don't know what you are talking about mind-set" and become disrespectful and insulting to them.
5) Try to stay away from hyperbole, "apples to oranges" comparisons, or general nonsense that has no basis in factual application to the discussion at hand.
6) Remember, you are entitled to your respectful opinions about something, but you are not entitled to your own set of facts that, in fact, have no basis in fact.
7) Remember Shannon's golden rule: Be Nice!
...If we can all stick to the above, we will be fine. :icon_thumright:
How about not commenting at all of the subject upsets you? You may think you have to respond to every single post on the forum but that's all in your head. #6 I'll add if you don't have facts that disprove what someone else posted an emoji will not prove your position.
Why am I not surprised that you responded,...or that your comment reflects exactly the point I was trying to make? Some folks here just don't get it....
Count me as one who believes the climate is changing. There's plenty of evidence to prove that. (Take a look at the chart linked to below) Count me as one who believes it is, at least, partially human caused. I agree with the 97% of climate scientists who believe that. "Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals1 show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree*: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. " https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
Count me as one who doesn't think climate change is some worldwide money making conspiracy. I also don't believe the world is flat, the earth is only 6000 years old, the World Trade Center disaster was a CIA plot, the Sandy Hook school shooting was fake news and the moon landing was filmed in a Hollywood studio. There's a lot of other wacko conspiracies I don't believe but are too numerous to list. I do believe Elvis Presley faked his death and is hiding out in South America. Everybody knows that. I just wish he'd come back and sing for us again. ;)
I am in the camp that the climate is changing. Since there is anecdotal evidence, Patagonia glaciers that have melted back over a mile, melting in the polar caps. The big question is man responsible or just a contributing factor. With the huge carbon footprint that man has created over the last 100 or more years it would certainly seem logical that man has contributed. What everyone should remember that what is today will be different tomorrow as knowledge builds on knowledge. When I was a kid and read Dick Tracy I marveled at his talking watch, now I have one. So what is disregarded today may be true tomorrow.
Quote from: guesswho on July 16, 2019, 07:08:53 PM
I'm just waiting for the BOOM now.
fvrrroooom ....ffft....vroooom