Hey guys I've been into trumpets for a couple years now had great results this year with them but have heard a lot about people doing it wrong on how they draw air, I have heard people say you can basically breathe through it and out your nose. I don't know if its just me or not but I could not breathe through a trumpet only using my mouth if i wanted to I would pass out haha What is a good way besides watching Del Crows videos or Marlin Watkins YouTube on how to draw air correctly. I obviously have good enough sounds to make them run in gobbling, But I'm just trying to tighten up the technique and make sure I'm drawing error correctly to get the higher front end. Hopefully this gets a lot of responses and I know a lot of people have gotten to yelpers recently so I think this would help them as well on educating what some mean by breathing straight to your stomach on a yelper. Thanks guys!
I am pretty new also and have tried about everything. I have had success also but I will always want to improve. This year I have found that my birds respond to. I will try to explain!!! Not a ton of lip pressure unless I am struggling to make a sound which happens sometimes. Light pressure on mouthpiece and suck like you are drinking milk through a smaller straw and a longer continuous suck not short and choppy bursts ( this kills turkeys also) . This is very hard to explain but is how I have decided to run my calls. I think everyone will differ how they play and different calls fit people's styles different. Maybe I am doing it all wrong but my Turkey's respond to it and when I am playing in the woods I feel I sound good. I am interested to see what others say
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Me too thanks buddy, That was a good explanation on what you said I seem to draw air sometimes that way which gives me a 2 tone Yelp. Intrested to see everybody's techniques
Quote from: beardhunter87 on May 08, 2019, 06:18:54 PM
I have heard people say you can basically breathe through it and out your nose.
One doesn't draw air into their mouths and our their nose while running a suction yelper, nor is there any need to hold your breath. Instead one breathes freely through their nose (in and out) while running a trumpet or wing bone. For example, a caller could do a run of yelps for an hour straight non-stop because the caller is breathing through their nose. Make sense?
I shouldn't even comment since I've only been playing one for a month. I'm only adding this because a light came on when I felt like I started drawing air correctly. It was like when you have a sore throat and just chewed up a couple of Halls cough drops. You just let the air come in slowly and hit the back of your throat to get that cooling sensation.
Yes that does make sense thank you, I think I get confused when people talk about running one continuous like breathing through a snorkel or the Air hitting the back of your stomach. The way some have made it seem is you breathe out your nose and your inhaling through the trumpet almost like you're not inhaling through your nose if that makes sense
One doesn't draw air into their mouths and our their nose while running a suction yelper, nor is there any need to hold your breath. Instead one breathes freely through their nose (in and out) while running a trumpet or wing bone. For example, a caller could do a run of yelps for an hour straight non-stop because the caller is breathing through their nose. Make sense?
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We inhale to sound like a turkey
What does turkeys do inhale or exhale
I would assume the exhale to make there yelps. More of the technique if the draw if that makes sense
I'm only refer'n to hen sounds not the gobbler
Like playing with your drink as a kid with a straw. Remember drawing the drink up almost to your mouth then letting it drop back down. Also practice by trying to make as quiet a sound (yelp or cluck) as you can with it, almost no air. Then incorporate that kid with a straw technique and build from there.
Quote from: guesswho on May 08, 2019, 08:04:31 PM
Like playing with your drink as a kid with a straw. Remember drawing the drink up almost to your mouth then letting it drop back down. Also practice by trying to make as quiet a sound (yelp or cluck) as you can with it, almost no air. Then incorporate that kid with a straw technique and build from there.
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All the greats breathe through their eyelids. I have been doing it this way for 30 years.. hope someday I can call in and kill a Gobbler with a trumpet. :deadhorse:
Mr Nitro please let's get some input iv seen those Buices over the years haha :funnyturkey: :funnyturkey:
Quote from: nitro on May 08, 2019, 09:50:41 PM
All the greats breathe through their eyelids. I have been doing it this way for 30 years.. hope someday I can call in and kill a Gobbler with a trumpet. :deadhorse:
Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha......I almost spit out my coffee!!! Now I have to practice that eyelid thing, lol.
I always like the analogy of drawing liquid through a straw. Also, If your lips get tired, you're trying too hard, relax. Drawn easy and smoothly.
When practicing, concentrated on making and holding the first (high) note of the yelp. It's all about control. Once you perfect your front note, you can kee kee and by dropping your jaw, you get your second note of the yelp.
Thanks guys for the input. Iv always done it this way , like the analogy of the straw . But I feel my first note was hard to hold and makes more of a popping g hollow sound when recorded. Davids9 helped and asked for a sound clip and texted me what to do so that was awesome. Keep it coming any tips will help everyone's advice has already helped me
What helped me the most was learning how to maintain the draw with the correct air flow to kee kee on a wingbone. Once I figured that out and the right backpressure with either my pointer finger tip or middle finger tip along with cupping my other hand around ....... making decent yelps and clucks came a lot easier to me.
Have been running the wingbone every day while driving back and forth to work for about a month and a half now. I get some crazy looks while at stoplights LOL.
Have hunted with it 2x now. Still a long ways to go but my confidence is getting better everyday.
Awesome great information I also experienced Trying a wingbone sounds so great. I've wondered when people are creating back pressure with a finger over the hole Are you a quarter of the way covering the end or are you 3/4 of the way really trying to cut off that air to create the Two tone Yelp. Also on the back end do you guys create that with your lips and jaw dropping ,a not so dramatic cluck? I feel if I can get the kee kee I'll be ok. Any tips on the kee kee or the front endnote?
On my wingbones I don't use my fingers for back pressure, I hold the bell end between my thumb and forefinger and basically just close my fist. I usually choke the call down pretty much when starting any calling, but particularly with kee kees. With each progressing note I open my hand more and more to get the volume.
With clucks, I make a sound chamber with both hands to get that hollow sound. Your hands, and how you move them around have as much to do with the sound as your lips. Have fun!!!
Quote from: EZ on May 10, 2019, 06:54:00 AM
Your hands, and how you move them around have as much to do with the sound as your lips.
I agree 100%
You hands help create the back pressure and helps to direct the sounds, but your air draw through your throat is where the sound is created. Your lips just seal and need to be relaxed.
For me everything affects the tone....hands, lips, draw, as well as lipstop placement and size....not saying I am doing it correctly, but that is my experience for what it is worth.
Although there are some solid techniques involved in running any yelper, most every good caller develops their own style. You have in mind the sound you are trying to create and your mouth and hands just do it (with practice). Sometimes I think we try to make it more difficult than it is. It's not rocket science. Rule #1.... relax!
Ya I agree guys. Mainly after I started to record my self did I realize the whole suction kissing type calling sounded more like a hollow pop without a 2 tone front note yelp. People say to relax your lips but I feel to make a higher pitched front end I need to squeeze my lips together. But I appreciate all the help. I had great luck and had gobbling turkeys everyday on me responding, some even ran in to me this year because of the trumpets but the calls that really worked was the SOFFFFTTT stuff ,I see a lot of people intrested in it so I feel this is a good thread
Quote from: gergg on May 10, 2019, 08:55:05 AM
For me everything affects the tone....hands, lips, draw, as well as lipstop placement and size....not saying I am doing it correctly, but that is my experience for what it is worth.
Agreed. This is very much unique to the caller - the slightest change in the lip stop position can suddenly make a yelper come alive.
STARTING out with a wing bone call and then stepping up to a trumpet I've received some great results in bringing in the Turkeys I'm still very intrigued by the results I have a bad habit on analyzing to death when I have something that works with great results
Quote from: EZ on May 10, 2019, 06:54:00 AM
On my wingbones
With clucks, I make a sound chamber with both hands to get that hollow sound. Your hands, and how you move them around have as much to do with the sound as your lips. Have fun!!!
I also agree that different sound variations can be changed in the sound chamber of your hands.
sound starts in your lips/throat, but what you do with your hands is also a factor in sound/tone
I feel that people starting out using a wing bone or trumpet call make a huge mistake
trying to make turkey talk, rather then learning how to draw air properly...
Learning to draw air properly, along with trying to draw a singular note in the high, med, & low range & hold it, puts a learning caller further ahead of the learning curve.....
Patience & determination go a long way as well....
Rule #1......RELAX..
Rule #2......Learn to call softly, first...
Rule #3...... Never point the call directly at a gobbler, when he is coming in....The trumpet is the only Omni-direction call, we run......If you can't control air to soft call, you will blow em out with to loud of calling...
Lots of information on how to use a trumpet on Youtube.....
Quote from: boatpaddle on May 13, 2019, 09:23:40 PM
I feel that people starting out using a wing bone or trumpet call make a huge mistake
trying to make turkey talk, rather then learning how to draw air properly...
Learning to draw air properly, along with trying to draw a singular note in the high, med, & low range & hold it, puts a learning caller further ahead of the learning curve.....
Patience & determination go a long way as well....
Rule #1......RELAX..
Rule #2......Learn to call softly, first...
Rule #3...... Never point the call directly at a gobbler, when he is coming in....The trumpet is the only Omni-direction call, we run......If you can't control air to soft call, you will blow em out with to loud of calling...
Lots of information on how to use a trumpet on Youtube.....
Excellent advice, the same exact advice he gave me several years back when I started.
Quote from: beardhunter87 on May 10, 2019, 10:35:29 AM
People say to relax your lips but I feel to make a higher pitched front end I need to squeeze my lips together.
Yes, that's right. Your lips are the reed. You need to tighten them up slightly and/or slightly increase the air speed to get that higher pitch. For the same amount of air drawn, the air speed will be higher in a mouthpiece with a narrower bore diameter.
I seem unable to inhale for very long at all, call in my mouth or not, best I can figure to many years smoking things in my youth I guess. I do a series of inhales, only way I can seem to get anything done at all. Any ideas? Really hurts my lungs when I try to inhale more than a couple of seconds with a call or not.
Quote from: Sir-diealot on May 13, 2019, 10:38:33 PM
I seem unable to inhale for very long at all, call in my mouth or not, best I can figure to many years smoking things in my youth I guess. I do a series of inhales, only way I can seem to get anything done at all. Any ideas? Really hurts my lungs when I try to inhale more than a couple of seconds with a call or not.
Make a conscious effort to breathe easily, normal respiration rate just through your nose, in and out, while making small single note sounds on your trumpet. Just nose breathing. That's how little air you need to draw through a trumpet to make a sound. Try to be a soft as you can.
Quote from: paboxcall on May 13, 2019, 11:07:02 PM
Quote from: Sir-diealot on May 13, 2019, 10:38:33 PM
I seem unable to inhale for very long at all, call in my mouth or not, best I can figure to many years smoking things in my youth I guess. I do a series of inhales, only way I can seem to get anything done at all. Any ideas? Really hurts my lungs when I try to inhale more than a couple of seconds with a call or not.
Make a conscious effort to breathe easily, normal respiration rate just through your nose, in and out, while making small single note sounds on your trumpet. Just nose breathing. That's how little air you need to draw through a trumpet to make a sound. Try to be a soft as you can.
Thanks
There's some excellent, 100% advice in this thread. I know I've made every conceivable mistake known to man, and invented a few, learning to run theses calls.
It's so hard to put into words all of the nuances that go into running the trumpet. Hand position is everything, but it must be matched with the right lip pressure, placement and air draw. Do those last 3 perfect, with no hand placement, and you get nothing. Perfect hand placement with an improper lip placement is no good either.. Etc, etc.
As to the original question of air. It took me forever to realize I was trying to draw WAY too much air. The tip of going as "soft" as you can really helps to train your brain. When it's right, you really can run the trumpet for minutes on end, while still breathing through your nose.
When I've got the lip stop position right where I like it (1/16" can make a difference), I'll use my hands and the cup I make with them to adjust tone. Air speed and pressure will aid in volume.
When learning, I would tell someone to constantly experiment with changing the hands, lip placement, and air pressure. When you find the right recipe - just be able to replicate it. That's where the practice comes in.