What's the best pump gun currently made? Meaning which one is least likely to give me problems. I am having a bad run with 870's, the new ones are definitely junk.
Both the Benelli Nova and Winchester SXP currently have my eye, but the BPS isn't bad either
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This is more personal preference than anything. Are you looking for a dedicated turkey gun or a do all gun? I suggest you handle the guns your interested in and see witch one you like the best and go with that. With today's chokes,ammo and sighting options you can make any of them pattern well enough to kill turkey's at the distance that we should be shooting them at. Just my 2 cents and that's probably more than it's worth.
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I am a BPS fan. Had 870s and nothing wrong with the ones I had. Did have a 20 gauge Nova, wasn't a fan.
Had a 12 gauge BPS, a 28 gauge BPS and still have my 10 gauge BPS. They are a bit heavier than most pumps but function has always been flawless for me. Safety is in a nice location up top too.
If I were to buy another pump it would be a Browning. Nothing wrong with most of the other pumps out there today but the BPS gets the nod from me.
870 Wingmaster imo best pump ever made.
Not the same gun as the 870 Express you get what you pay for
Ithaca Turkey slayer model 37!!! Ready to roll!!
Have a good one
Ray
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Probably more turkeys killed with 870s and Mossberg 835s than practically everything else combined. I wouldn`t hesitate to buy a new Wingmaster or an 870 Super Mag. That`s based on my personal Remington experiences.
870 hands down. In my experience they are just of a higher quality that a mossy 500
I own an 870 Wingmaster, 870 Express, BPS, Benelli SuperNova, Mossberg 500 and Mossberg 835. Never have owned but have shot Ithaca's and Winchester's. My opinion, best design and workmanship: Benelli SuperNova (but "thick" and clunky looking). BPS is a close second. A little heavy though. Most consistent and even patterns: Mossberg 835. All have killed turkeys. One I use most often for turkeys: Mossberg 835
870 hands down , never had a problem with them new or old ones ...
I've had nothing but problems with the newer 870's, so they are not in the running
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I like the Browning BPS but they are too heavy for me to carry running and gunning.
To get a dedicated turkey slayer a Mossberg is the way to go. 535s/835s are a dream to carry not to mention 20" barrels, tactical stocks, and all are drilled and tapped for scopes...my two cents
Quote from: Terry on May 04, 2019, 08:16:50 PM
I've had nothing but problems with the newer 870's, so they are not in the running
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Okkk .. you have had problems , so what problems have you had ? What Brand 870 ?
I had a supermag that just stopped ejecting shells and then fell apart when I took the barrel off. Now I have a compact 20 and the action bars jump the grooves in the receiver. I admit that they are both express, but I don't see a wingmaster that is geared towards turkey
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Lots of people still hunt with the old wingmaster for turkeys ... sorry that you have had the problem with the 870 .. but i will say more people hunt with them, than any other pump gun to this day with no problems ...
Quote from: Terry on May 04, 2019, 08:16:50 PM
I've had nothing but problems with the newer 870's, so they are not in the running
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The same outfit that took over Marlin and trashed the quality of their rifles also bought out Remington.
For a good 870 I would look on Gunbroker for one from before Remington sold out.
I have 870, mossberg, and BPS. I did not by the 870 you get at the box store . Remington offers several 870 models. Some have the lifetime warranty and others do not. I like all of the ones I currently own. If I wanted to try a different pump , I would buy the Ithaca. Which ever you decide to get I certainly hope it works out for you.
I share the same view as the OP in that I've had bad experiences with newer Remington products and I absolutely refuse to buy them with my money.
Green touching yellow will jip a fellow.
For a pump turkey gun, I really like my mossberg 535. It patterns good with a Carlson LB choke, and it's very light and a pleasure to tote. It does kick very hard, but it's my turkey gun so it doesn't go to the dove field.
Guess I got my 870 Express before the quality declined. The only problem I had with it was the 21" barrel wouldn't pattern Winchester Supreme #5's worth a hoot. After trying about a half dozen different chokes I gave up & went with Hevi-13 #7 per Clark Bush's suggestion & haven't looked back. It's been a great gun & it's still my turkey gun I use every season. I have had 2 Mossberg 500's & a 535. Called in 2 long beards at once while using the 535 & it wouldn't shoot at first & caused my step-father to miss a great opportunity at killing his first gobbler. I sold it! I still think the 870 is the best pump shotgun ever made. Opinions vary.
Ithaca 37. Great quality, throws a good pattern, not chunky or overly heavy, built to last.
Esse quam videri
The worst thing Remington ever did was putting the three numbers 8-7-0 in front of the Express model. There aren't enough words or pictures maybe not even a YouTube video to get people to comprehend the Wingmaster and Express or Super mag Express are not the same. Not the parts not the quality not the function.
Remington should have named it the "save a few bucks, spend a lifetime complaining Express shotgun.
Quote from: Buckman18 on May 04, 2019, 08:59:49 PM
I share the same view as the OP in that I've had bad experiences with newer Remington products and I absolutely refuse to buy them with my money.
Green touching yellow will jip a fellow.
For a pump turkey gun, I really like my mossberg 535. It patterns good with a Carlson LB choke, and it's very light and a pleasure to tote. It does kick very hard, but it's my turkey gun so it doesn't go to the dove field.
My only experience with " new " Remington products has been the walnut V3 I purchased a couple of years ago. It`s been absolutely flawless to date and a real pleasure to shoot. Obviously, the V3`s not a pump. The only Remington pump I`ve ever owned is the one I have now and which is my dedicated turkey gun. 2005 model Super Mag with a thumbhole stock and a red dot, MO Obsession camo. The thing is an absolute tank. Very smooth action, no rattles. It`s a heavy gun that was used when I bought it. Couldn`t be more pleased.
I would hazard that many, if not most, of the complaints concerning Remington quality center around the Express models. Have not personally seen many negatives with the "new" Wingmasters. As someone has posted, many times you get what you pay for. Anyone buying an Express model 870 expecting Wingmaster quality in such an " economy " gun isn`t being realistic IMHO. I personally would have no problem with purchasing a new Wingmaster.
well I had a small problem w my Ithaca Turkeyslayer to start, they fixed no questions asked & its been a great gun. Very smooth action, great trigger, it gets my vote, Mike
bps ,the best there is......
Love my older 870 and will also throw the Winchester 1300 into this discussion as well. My 1300 has killed a pile of turkeys.
Benelli supernova. Bought it because I had issue with an 870 I used one time. Won't ever shoot one again. Never an issue with my supernova. Darn good gun.
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Quote from: tomstopper on May 07, 2019, 09:42:21 PM
...will also throw the Winchester 1300 into this discussion as well. My 1300 has killed a pile of turkeys.
:agreed:
Given a shelf full of pump guns, I'm reaching for the 1300 every time.
BPS, by far...
Quote from: tomstopper on May 07, 2019, 09:42:21 PM
Love my older 870 and will also throw the Winchester 1300 into this discussion as well. My 1300 has killed a pile of turkeys.
As do I. Thing`s a tank.
Have had 6 870's in the last 30 or so years. 2 express turkey 12's , both are pretty close to when they came out. A super mag express turkey when they first came out. A 20 guage youth turkey and a 26" 20 express 26". Never a single hickup with any of those. All of those are older guns. The later wallymart supermag had a rough barrel though nothing was a real problem with that one.
Remington made the Super magnum there first 3.5" shotgun then came the Express Super magnum, which is the Walmart version. The original SM was like the special purpose guns same machined extractor, ejector and internal parts polished like the Wingmaster.
The cost savings with the Express in any model are the cheap stamped parts they skip the internal polishing which causes the rough cycling and the tool marks are common in the barells. Basically they skip a few steps and substitute cheaper parts on the Express. The extractors and ejectors look the same but they are not. Same with the action bars( the rails connected to the forend) if these are not fit precisely or are bent even slightly the gun will be really hard to cycle and even jam. This is one of the quality control steps skipped with the Express.
On this entire forum and thousands of posts you never see anyone complain about any of these issues with the Wingmaster. But for the rest of eternity people will continue to try and save 150$ buy the Express have problems and complain. And there is no way to get people to comprehend this. Even if you flew them to the factory showed them a Wingmaster and an Express being made it will never sink in. I guess it's the same mentality that causes someone to buy there guns at Walmart?
I'd be all for a wingmaster if they made one in a matter finish with composite stocks
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Find a Super Magnum without the word "Express" and you'll have a camo or Matt finished WM
A lot of people don't want a used shotgun. I can understand wanting something brand new but a shotgun is made to last at least one lifetime. I've found shotguns that were 30 or more years old and the bluing on the magazine ramp wasn't even worn, people buy guns and hardly use them.
BPS is a heavy gun but mine has always been flawless when operating. Love the top tang safety. Killed Turkeys for thirty years with this gun and only need one more Florida bird for a second slam.
Now however, I'm using an Encore 20 gauge. Light, short and a real killer with #9 TSS. I will probably have a 20 gauge BPS come next Spring and be shooting TSS through it.
Quote from: LaLongbeard on May 08, 2019, 12:10:55 PM
Remington made the Super magnum there first 3.5" shotgun then came the Express Super magnum, which is the Walmart version. The original SM was like the special purpose guns same machined extractor, ejector and internal parts polished like the Wingmaster.
The cost savings with the Express in any model are the cheap stamped parts they skip the internal polishing which causes the rough cycling and the tool marks are common in the barells. Basically they skip a few steps and substitute cheaper parts on the Express. The extractors and ejectors look the same but they are not. Same with the action bars( the rails connected to the forend) if these are not fit precisely or are bent even slightly the gun will be really hard to cycle and even jam. This is one of the quality control steps skipped with the Express.
On this entire forum and thousands of posts you never see anyone complain about any of these issues with the Wingmaster. But for the rest of eternity people will continue to try and save 150$ buy the Express have problems and complain. And there is no way to get people to comprehend this. Even if you flew them to the factory showed them a Wingmaster and an Express being made it will never sink in. I guess it's the same mentality that causes someone to buy there guns at Walmart?
Thanks have to look at some of mine . I ordered the 12 guage 21" when it first came out and same thing with the first super mag . Been a while but I think I remember special purpose when I ordered those two . The others I bought used
Quote from: LaLongbeard on May 08, 2019, 12:10:55 PM
Remington made the Super magnum there first 3.5" shotgun then came the Express Super magnum, which is the Walmart version. The original SM was like the special purpose guns same machined extractor, ejector and internal parts polished like the Wingmaster.
The cost savings with the Express in any model are the cheap stamped parts they skip the internal polishing which causes the rough cycling and the tool marks are common in the barells. Basically they skip a few steps and substitute cheaper parts on the Express. The extractors and ejectors look the same but they are not. Same with the action bars( the rails connected to the forend) if these are not fit precisely or are bent even slightly the gun will be really hard to cycle and even jam. This is one of the quality control steps skipped with the Express.
On this entire forum and thousands of posts you never see anyone complain about any of these issues with the Wingmaster. But for the rest of eternity people will continue to try and save 150$ buy the Express have problems and complain. And there is no way to get people to comprehend this. Even if you flew them to the factory showed them a Wingmaster and an Express being made it will never sink in. I guess it's the same mentality that causes someone to buy there guns at Walmart?
My 870 Super Mag is one of the non-Express, Mossy Oak camoed , thumbhole stocked Special Purpose Turkey guns made from `05-07. I bought it used. I think the thing is probably indestructible and feels like it was hewn from a block of steel. Heavy, not ideal for run and gun. Nothing rattles, tight as can be and a smooth action. I know for a fact it`ll be shooting after I shuffle off this mortal coil! I consider myself lucky to have found it and it was $320 well spent IMO.
IMO 835. Overbored barrel, shoots every shell well, won't break the bank and plenty of chokes to get the pattern you want.
Quote from: LaLongbeard on May 08, 2019, 12:10:55 PM
Remington made the Super magnum their first 3.5" shotgun then came the Express Super magnum, which is the Walmart version. The original SM was like the special purpose guns same machined extractor, ejector and internal parts polished like the Wingmaster.
Yep makes sense, the first one i ordered was in 1998 ,had a 23" barrel and it was and still is a good gun. Hunting buddy bought it and gave it to his son. He likes those 3 1/2" shells.
The second 3 1/2" was bought used at a gunshow and I was told later it was a Wallymart gun because of the camo pattern on it. It's barrel had lots of machining marks in it, wasn't near as smooth cycling as well. Think it had a cheaper made trigger assembly also. It was sold fast.
My history of Remington firearms book (Roy Marcot) does not differentiate between the two. Not many details in it.
Everyone has an opinion of which gun is the best. Some base it on looks or maybe what aftermarket stocks or sites are available. Some want to carry the same gun as there YouTube hero or have the newest most expensive gun in the duck blind.
I have always been a fan of the 870, (the real 870 not the cheap Express model)
I've hunted with one my entire life it's all I used as a kid for deer, squirrels hogs ducks whatever.
We used the 870 in Iraq for breaching doors and clearing buildings.I would and have trusted my life to the 870. I have never seen one fail or had a problem with one. I base my loyalty to the 870 on thousands of rounds fired and carrying one for hundreds of miles on two different continents.
Quote from: LaLongbeard on May 08, 2019, 08:53:12 PM
Everyone has an opinion of which gun is the best. Some base it on looks or maybe what aftermarket stocks or sites are available. Some want to carry the same gun as there YouTube hero or have the newest most expensive gun in the duck blind.
I have always been a fan of the 870, (the real 870 not the cheap Express model)
I've hunted with one my entire life it's all I used as a kid for deer, squirrels hogs ducks whatever.
We used the 870 in Iraq for breaching doors and clearing buildings.I would and have trusted my life to the 870. I have never seen one fail or had a problem with one. I base my loyalty to the 870 on thousands of rounds fired and carrying one for hundreds of miles on two different continents.
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The 870 wingmaster, new or old, is the way to go!! Granted you might have to customize, but functions flawlessly!! Just got one back from angle port with barrel cut at 22 1/2 inches. Ported,extended forcing cone, and choke tube by angle port(0.650). Picatinny rail for vortex venom reflex. Trigger job 3.5 lbs. This was a new wingmaster 12 ga 3 in chamber never fired when dropped off at angle port.
Fired it a few times before dropping off at Liquid Concepts in Alexander Arkansas for cerakote(only barrel and receiver) in mil spec olive drab!!
BPS, Wingmaster, Ithaca, Remington, Mossberg.............What fits you, what fits your needs best, it's that simple.