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No reason to not use tick spray!
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Post by: Gobspur on March 25, 2019, 07:48:16 PM
I have the 36.8 % permethrin so wanting to know the ratio ozs to 1 gallonAssuming your want 0.5% final solution, which is what the commercial Sawyers is:
(36.8)(x)=(0.5%)(128oz)
(36.8)(x)=64
X=1.73 oz
If you want different concentration just change 0.5% in the equation to whatever final you want.
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Post by: Turkeyman on March 27, 2019, 02:03:43 PM
Post by: Owl on March 28, 2019, 01:10:41 AM
Lyme disease is no joke. What's crazy is that there used to be a vaccine for it but he vaccine manufacturer discontinued production in 2002, citing insufficient consumer demand as the reason for discontinuing it. That's nuts, I would get one in a heartbeat if it was still around.
Post by: HFultzjr on March 28, 2019, 07:28:13 AM
https://www.cdc.gov/lyme/prev/vaccine.html
:newmascot:
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Post by: Sir-diealot on April 03, 2019, 10:26:24 PM
I know the gloves don't work against ticks but they do against skeeters and they are lightweight and very comfortable in the blind, I use one of their face masks in the blind plus they are both black in a blackened blind which I like.
Post by: HFultzjr on April 04, 2019, 09:07:31 AM
Ordered this and some Rynoskin gloves https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00061MSS0/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I know the gloves don't work against ticks but they do against skeeters and they are lightweight and very comfortable in the blind, I use one of their face masks in the blind plus they are both black in a blackened blind which I like.
Good stuff......................I've been using it for the last couple of years.
:z-winnersmiley:
Post by: Sir-diealot on April 04, 2019, 09:10:21 AM
Somebody here pointed it out to me because I wanted to water based variety, I don't recall who it was though.Ordered this and some Rynoskin gloves https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00061MSS0/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I know the gloves don't work against ticks but they do against skeeters and they are lightweight and very comfortable in the blind, I use one of their face masks in the blind plus they are both black in a blackened blind which I like.
Good stuff......................I've been using it for the last couple of years.
:z-winnersmiley:
Post by: Gooserbat on April 16, 2019, 08:03:10 PM
A few tests later and to my surprise I have had Lyme. Trust me the side effects will last a long time if not as in my case a lifetime.
Post by: Sir-diealot on April 17, 2019, 12:38:29 PM
Some nice reading material for those interested.Found this out when I was able to start hunting again a few years ago. I had gotten this shot before 2 or 3 seasons when the deer ticks were getting really bad. Last one I had would have to have been in 2001
https://www.cdc.gov/lyme/prev/vaccine.html
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Post by: Bagg-it Tag-it on April 28, 2019, 12:15:57 PM
Post by: HFultzjr on April 29, 2019, 08:01:54 AM
For those of you who don't trust your math on the proper amount of permethrin to water. Both concentrates are here....the stronger one (36.8%?) and the 10%. (see the attachment below)
Nice reminder/reference.
Thanks.
:thanks:
Post by: Sir-diealot on April 29, 2019, 10:01:39 AM
For those of you who don't trust your math on the proper amount of permethrin to water. Both concentrates are here....the stronger one (36.8%?) and the 10%. (see the attachment below)
I am very bad with numbers so I am hoping for some additional help as I wanted to do this today, the one I bought has a 1/2 oz marking and a 1oz marking, how much would I add to the gallon jug? 1 gallon water + 6.75 oz is that between half and 3/4 of an oz? Thanks.
Post by: roberthyman14 on April 29, 2019, 10:08:59 AM
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Post by: Sir-diealot on April 29, 2019, 10:20:07 AM
You mean .675? Then yes between .50 and .75On the chart that Bag-it Tag-it shared it reads as follows.
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"Using 10% permethrin concentrate
1 gallon water + 6.75 oz 10% Permethrin = 124.75 oz at .5% concentration COST $.75 per ounce x 6.75 = $5.06"
Post by: roberthyman14 on April 29, 2019, 10:23:31 AM
I was just re thinking it in my head as I'm working. 6.75oz would be 6 full 1 oz and the .75 would be just under the full oz. I would just make it at 7oz that 1/4 oz difference isn't muchYou mean .675? Then yes between .50 and .75On the chart that Bag-it Tag-it shared it reads as follows.
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"Using 10% permethrin concentrate
1 gallon water + 6.75 oz 10% Permethrin = 124.75 oz at .5% concentration COST $.75 per ounce x 6.75 = $5.06"
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Post by: Sir-diealot on April 29, 2019, 10:28:42 AM
I was just re thinking it in my head as I'm working. 6.75oz would be 6 full 1 oz and the .75 would be just under the full oz. I would just make it at 7oz that 1/4 oz difference isn't muchYou mean .675? Then yes between .50 and .75On the chart that Bag-it Tag-it shared it reads as follows.
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"Using 10% permethrin concentrate
1 gallon water + 6.75 oz 10% Permethrin = 124.75 oz at .5% concentration COST $.75 per ounce x 6.75 = $5.06"
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Okay, thank you, math was my worst subject in school, I am still horrible with it so I always want to double check.
Post by: roberthyman14 on April 29, 2019, 10:33:19 AM
I suck at it also, but I mix stuff most days with small increments so that stuff I can usually figureI was just re thinking it in my head as I'm working. 6.75oz would be 6 full 1 oz and the .75 would be just under the full oz. I would just make it at 7oz that 1/4 oz difference isn't muchYou mean .675? Then yes between .50 and .75On the chart that Bag-it Tag-it shared it reads as follows.
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"Using 10% permethrin concentrate
1 gallon water + 6.75 oz 10% Permethrin = 124.75 oz at .5% concentration COST $.75 per ounce x 6.75 = $5.06"
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Okay, thank you, math was my worst subject in school, I am still horrible with it so I always want to double check.
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Post by: Bagg-it Tag-it on April 29, 2019, 11:31:43 AM
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Post by: Sir-diealot on April 29, 2019, 11:48:52 AM
Yes...for permithrin 10 to get .5% solution... If you want a gallon, mix one gallon water with 6.75 oz of permithrin 10 concentrate. If you want to fill a spray bottle...mix one oz of permithrin 10 to twenty ozs of water in a spray bottle.Yes I do want to do a spray bottle so thank you for that. I want to test it fist because I tend to have sensitive skin/allergies to some things. That is why I have been using nothing but Tide, ivory soap and Suave shampoo for years because they don't make me itch.
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Post by: HFultzjr on April 30, 2019, 07:38:05 AM
Yes...for permithrin 10 to get .5% solution... If you want a gallon, mix one gallon water with 6.75 oz of permithrin 10 concentrate. If you want to fill a spray bottle...mix one oz of permithrin 10 to twenty ozs of water in a spray bottle.Yes I do want to do a spray bottle so thank you for that. I want to test it fist because I tend to have sensitive skin/allergies to some things. That is why I have been using nothing but Tide, ivory soap and Suave shampoo for years because they don't make me itch.
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Make sure you allow your clothes to dry completely before using them. Do not hang in direct sunlight, as it will break down much faster.
Post by: Sir-diealot on April 30, 2019, 08:45:05 PM
Already did it, hung them on the clothesline and spayed both sides and then let them dry there. I did have one problem though, I could not get the measuring side do measure out the ounces for me, the other side would fill but not that side, so I just poured in what looked right. What do I do to get that thing to measure it for me? This is the one I purchased. https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00061MSS0/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1Yes...for permithrin 10 to get .5% solution... If you want a gallon, mix one gallon water with 6.75 oz of permithrin 10 concentrate. If you want to fill a spray bottle...mix one oz of permithrin 10 to twenty ozs of water in a spray bottle.Yes I do want to do a spray bottle so thank you for that. I want to test it fist because I tend to have sensitive skin/allergies to some things. That is why I have been using nothing but Tide, ivory soap and Suave shampoo for years because they don't make me itch.
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Make sure you allow your clothes to dry completely before using them. Do not hang in direct sunlight, as it will break down much faster.
Post by: HFultzjr on May 02, 2019, 08:32:45 AM
Already did it, hung them on the clothesline and spayed both sides and then let them dry there. I did have one problem though, I could not get the measuring side do measure out the ounces for me, the other side would fill but not that side, so I just poured in what looked right. What do I do to get that thing to measure it for me? This is the one I purchased. https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00061MSS0/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1Yes...for permithrin 10 to get .5% solution... If you want a gallon, mix one gallon water with 6.75 oz of permithrin 10 concentrate. If you want to fill a spray bottle...mix one oz of permithrin 10 to twenty ozs of water in a spray bottle.Yes I do want to do a spray bottle so thank you for that. I want to test it fist because I tend to have sensitive skin/allergies to some things. That is why I have been using nothing but Tide, ivory soap and Suave shampoo for years because they don't make me itch.
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Make sure you allow your clothes to dry completely before using them. Do not hang in direct sunlight, as it will break down much faster.
I usually take off both caps and tilt the bottle a little towards the measuring side and squeeze.
Post by: Sir-diealot on May 02, 2019, 12:07:25 PM
Thanks. I did try that to no avail, tried leaving one cap on one side and then on the other but did not want to work at all, the side without the measuring part kept going to where it was about to overflow.Already did it, hung them on the clothesline and spayed both sides and then let them dry there. I did have one problem though, I could not get the measuring side do measure out the ounces for me, the other side would fill but not that side, so I just poured in what looked right. What do I do to get that thing to measure it for me? This is the one I purchased. https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00061MSS0/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1Yes...for permithrin 10 to get .5% solution... If you want a gallon, mix one gallon water with 6.75 oz of permithrin 10 concentrate. If you want to fill a spray bottle...mix one oz of permithrin 10 to twenty ozs of water in a spray bottle.Yes I do want to do a spray bottle so thank you for that. I want to test it fist because I tend to have sensitive skin/allergies to some things. That is why I have been using nothing but Tide, ivory soap and Suave shampoo for years because they don't make me itch.
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Make sure you allow your clothes to dry completely before using them. Do not hang in direct sunlight, as it will break down much faster.
I usually take off both caps and tilt the bottle a little towards the measuring side and squeeze.
Post by: Turkeyman on May 02, 2019, 03:27:52 PM
Post by: Sir-diealot on May 02, 2019, 10:18:12 PM
Not rocket science guys. Just "fool around" with the caps and you'll figure out how to get the proper amount. Did you take high school physics? Remember whereas C1V1=C2V2. C=concentration, V=volume. Personally I use the 36.8% concentrate bought from Amazon and to spray (somewhat soak) all my clothes I mix 2 gallons for my garden sprayer. Thus C1=.368, C2=.005 and V2=128 oz. Thus V1 solves to 1.7 oz. So I use 2 oz. for just a bit stronger. I've already hunted MO and KS for a 2 week period and never picked up a tick. My buddy's grandson, sans permethrin, picked up 9 ticks in the same period.Nope, surely did not take high school physics, I was homeless by then and more worried about where my meals were going to come from than I was physics.
Post by: SCGobbler on June 26, 2019, 05:11:44 PM
https://sectionhiker.com/permethrin-soak-method-guide/ (https://sectionhiker.com/permethrin-soak-method-guide/)
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Post by: Sir-diealot on January 11, 2020, 10:25:13 AM
Does do it yourself last 5 yrs? Ive had elimatick that long and showing no sign of losing effectiveness.
Depends on how much you wash it as I understand things.
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Post by: Bowguy on February 06, 2020, 11:06:36 AM
Giant savings.
I’ve had lymes twice they think, apparently test doesn’t read right 2nd time, and babesi.
The treatment for Lyme stinks
Post by: Bagg-it Tag-it on February 23, 2020, 11:27:36 AM
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00061MSS0/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_image?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Post by: HFultzjr on February 25, 2020, 09:10:43 AM
As we get closer to turkey season and there seems to still be high interest for mixing one's own tick solution from concentrate. In my personal experience, I've bought the brands at Co-op and Tractor Supply. All of those brands seem to have a pretty strong smell. The brand I've been buying at Amazon is Martin's 10% permethrin concentrate and it works great and doesn't have as strong of a chemical smell.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00061MSS0/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_image?ie=UTF8&psc=1
That is the one I buy also. No smell whatsoever after dried.
Tip......keep out of sunlight while drying. Ok after they have dried.
:OGturkeyhead:
Post by: Turkeyman on February 25, 2020, 12:25:25 PM
Post by: SCGobbler on February 25, 2020, 01:23:53 PM
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Post by: Sir-diealot on February 25, 2020, 05:03:37 PM
Post by: HFultzjr on February 27, 2020, 09:48:30 AM
Here is the link I 1st found out about the sunlight.
After more review, I've come to the conclusion, most of the "breakdown" occurs while drying.
After drying, the "breakdown" in minimal............
Post by: hoythunter on February 29, 2020, 05:28:36 PM
Post by: Notsoyoungturk on March 06, 2020, 07:24:51 AM
Bottom line: Treat your clothes before hunting and check your body after hunting
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Post by: Notsoyoungturk on March 07, 2020, 01:19:33 PM
Post by: mhamby on March 08, 2020, 09:23:51 PM
I got Lyme Disease about 5 seasons ago. The muscle cramps were agonizing and the fatigue/joint pain was horrible. It hit me hard. I was allergic to the three best antibiotics used to treat it. By time I got meds on board that helped and didn’t cause a reaction, it had done near run it’s course. The long term damage is still there.
Alpha Gal is even worse. The bad part about it is that the Anaphylaxis encountered is a delayed reaction, often three hours after consuming mammalian meat. Most folks don’t realize what’s actually causing the reaction. I’ve encountered cases of it while working EMS and folks had no clue what was going on. It’s bad stuff guys and gals. I’ve been diligent about treating my self and clothing and also changing out of my hunting attire before getting into my truck. I’d hate for one of them buggers to get in my truck and find one of my kids. Be safe out there.
Post by: SCGobbler on March 09, 2020, 11:36:19 AM
The CDC recommends treating clothes with 0.5% permethrin and using DEET based bug repellents.Be very careful with the DEET based products. They will melt certain plastics but are very effective against ticks and mosquitoes
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Post by: Sir-diealot on March 09, 2020, 01:19:49 PM
I just applied a very liberal dose of self-mixed Permethrin yesterday and let my shirts hang on the back porch overnight to dry. It leaves a pretty strong chemical smell, keep that in mind when you bring them back inside the house. Also until it dries, I think it is pretty toxic to felines.Felines and aquatic life. I used the one with no petroleum and the only thing that smelled was a very heavy zip up sweater that I really used a lot on. It also took forever to dry.
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Post by: SteelCityArcher on April 14, 2020, 11:31:50 AM
For instance, some people eat garlic or onions as a natural deterrent. If it works for them, GREAT! Keep doing what works. For me, all it does is earn me a night sleeping on the couch and some heartburn.
My wife swears by covering her entire body in baby oil or Skin So Soft prior to applying her Deet spray. She claims that the ticks do not like the oily surface when trying to attach. She has never had a tick attached to her, so I do not doubt it's effectiveness. Others claim tree tea oil does the same.
Personally, some things I do that I don't see mentioned often are as follows:
1. I start out by using a repellent-based body wash and shampoo called Top Secret BioShield.
Whether guys think it's effective or not is up to them. I surely wouldn't use it alone. I still apply deet after my shower, of course. Once again, just another line of defense that is worth it to me.
https://www.bioshield-rx.com/shop/bioshield-body-wash-and-shampoo-12oz/ (https://www.bioshield-rx.com/shop/bioshield-body-wash-and-shampoo-12oz/)
2. Wear a tight fitting base layer. Yes, compression wear. You can find compression wear so breathable and lightweight that it can be worn in even the hottest conditions. The tighter fitting the better, but make sure it's comfortable. This provides a layer that ticks have a really hard time getting under, which is a great line of defense. So important. Yes, I personally look like a fat stuffed piece of polish sausage in the stuff, but my camo goes over top, so no other hunter's get to witness my manly physique.:help:
3. I always wear rubber boots turkey hunting, but no matter what boots you wear I highly recommend not tucking your pants into your boots. Pulling your pant legs down over rubber boots surely isn't the best fashion statement, but who cares? Your open boot tops are are great access point for ticks. I have a friend who duct tapes his pant legs and sleeves shut. It works for him and it's effective.
4. I also started using Elimitick Clothing. Not only do I use it hunting, I wear it in the fields while food plotting, brush hogging, you name it. It does work and is effective.
https://gamehide.com/why-gamehide/elimitick/ (https://gamehide.com/why-gamehide/elimitick/)
Below, I've also added a list of other ways to protect yourself. Some are common and well-known, but it is good advice.
If this information helps one person with some new ideas, it was worth the time sharing it.
Stay safe out there guys!
:cowboy:
Six Easy Steps to Keep Ticks Away
These simple steps can help you keep ticks away to avoid tick bites and tick-borne diseases.
1) Wear protective clothing to keep ticks away. Especially important are long pants, which should be tucked into high socks. Ticks generally latch on to a passing critter (you!) and crawl up, looking for a spot to burrow in and feed. Light colors will help you spot the ticks. A couple of years ago, in what wasn’t even a “bad” year for ticks, I took a short hike that passed through a brushy field and found nine brown dog ticks on my light gray socks when I got back to the car.
2) Use a DEET-based insect repellent to keep ticks away around your ankles, wrists (preferably with a light-colored, long-sleeve shirt) and on your neck. Put repellent on your clothing at the entry points (aerosol or pump sprays are best for this), not just on your skin. Caution: This may discolor some clothing, so if you care about looking chic, you may want to change clothes. Our favorite repellent after years of testing is 3M Ultrathon; it stays on longer when you’re hot and sweaty than anything else we’ve ever tried. Sad to say, none of the “natural” (non-Deet) products we’ve tried seem to actually work. If you choose not to use a DEET-based repellent, be extra careful with protective clothing. Find what works best for you.
3) Leave Ticks Outside. If you can do so without getting arrested, disrobe outside your house or your tent when returning from an outdoor adventure, to avoid bringing ticks in with you. Put your potentially-ticky clothing in a plastic bag (perhaps with a spritz of insecticide) and seal it until you can wash it. Some experts recommend putting your clothes in the drier on high heat for 30 minutes to desiccate and kill any hitchhiking ticks before washing–just be careful that no ticks drop off before you get the clothes in the dryer.
4) Tick Check! Check yourself carefully at the end of any outdoor adventure (even a stroll across your lawn). It takes awhile for an embedded tick to transmit disease and a tick check should be as much a part of your daily routine as brushing your teeth before bed. If you don’t have a companion to help, carry a mirror to examine spots you can’t see easily. Remember the “National Geographic” videos with chimpanzees grooming each other? Yes, they’re removing ticks, lice, etc…feel free to make appropriate chimp noises while helping someone do their tick check. Tick checks with your partner can lead to some "other" fun activities! Use your imagination! :camohat:
5) Carefully remove any ticks you find by pulling gently with tweezers or using any one of the myriad tick pullers on the market. We’ve had excellent results with the Ticked Off; it puts pressure on the skin and allows you to push the tick up and out. Killing ticks can be difficult; they’re remarkably well armored. Best bets are to flush them, or, if you are regularly in tick territory, to carry a little bottle with rubbing alcohol in it…just drop the ticks in, put the cover back on, you’re done.
6)Don’t panic!It takes 24 hours for any disease to be released into you. After you remove the tick, take a pen, draw a circle around the bite, and monitor it for changes. See your doctor immediately as a precaution, but especially if you develop any disease symptoms like swelling, fever, a rash, etc.
Post by: roberthyman14 on April 14, 2020, 07:04:16 PM
Such a serious topic with so much information out there. Sometimes it's hard to know what's effective and what might or might not work.Top secret is good stuff. All the products the label work. They are made 30 minutes from my house.
For instance, some people eat garlic or onions as a natural deterrent. If it works for them, GREAT! Keep doing what works. For me, all it does is earn me a night sleeping on the couch and some heartburn.
My wife swears by covering her entire body in baby oil or Skin So Soft prior to applying her Deet spray. She claims that the ticks do not like the oily surface when trying to attach. She has never had a tick attached to her, so I do not doubt it's effectiveness. Others claim tree tea oil does the same.
Personally, some things I do that I don't see mentioned often are as follows:
1. I start out by using a repellent-based body wash and shampoo called Top Secret BioShield.
Whether guys think it's effective or not is up to them. I surely wouldn't use it alone. I still apply deet after my shower, of course. Once again, just another line of defense that is worth it to me.
https://www.bioshield-rx.com/shop/bioshield-body-wash-and-shampoo-12oz/ (https://www.bioshield-rx.com/shop/bioshield-body-wash-and-shampoo-12oz/)
2. Wear a tight fitting base layer. Yes, compression wear. You can find compression wear so breathable and lightweight that it can be worn in even the hottest conditions. The tighter fitting the better, but make sure it's comfortable. This provides a layer that ticks have a really hard time getting under, which is a great line of defense. So important. Yes, I personally look like a fat stuffed piece of polish sausage in the stuff, but my camo goes over top, so no other hunter's get to witness my manly physique.:help:
3. I always wear rubber boots turkey hunting, but no matter what boots you wear I highly recommend not tucking your pants into your boots. Pulling your pant legs down over rubber boots surely isn't the best fashion statement, but who cares? Your open boot tops are are great access point for ticks. I have a friend who duct tapes his pant legs and sleeves shut. It works for him and it's effective.
4. I also started using Elimitick Clothing. Not only do I use it hunting, I wear it in the fields while food plotting, brush hogging, you name it. It does work and is effective.
https://gamehide.com/why-gamehide/elimitick/ (https://gamehide.com/why-gamehide/elimitick/)
Below, I've also added a list of other ways to protect yourself. Some are common and well-known, but it is good advice.
If this information helps one person with some new ideas, it was worth the time sharing it.
Stay safe out there guys!
:cowboy:
Six Easy Steps to Keep Ticks Away
These simple steps can help you keep ticks away to avoid tick bites and tick-borne diseases.
1) Wear protective clothing to keep ticks away. Especially important are long pants, which should be tucked into high socks. Ticks generally latch on to a passing critter (you!) and crawl up, looking for a spot to burrow in and feed. Light colors will help you spot the ticks. A couple of years ago, in what wasn’t even a “bad” year for ticks, I took a short hike that passed through a brushy field and found nine brown dog ticks on my light gray socks when I got back to the car.
2) Use a DEET-based insect repellent to keep ticks away around your ankles, wrists (preferably with a light-colored, long-sleeve shirt) and on your neck. Put repellent on your clothing at the entry points (aerosol or pump sprays are best for this), not just on your skin. Caution: This may discolor some clothing, so if you care about looking chic, you may want to change clothes. Our favorite repellent after years of testing is 3M Ultrathon; it stays on longer when you’re hot and sweaty than anything else we’ve ever tried. Sad to say, none of the “natural” (non-Deet) products we’ve tried seem to actually work. If you choose not to use a DEET-based repellent, be extra careful with protective clothing. Find what works best for you.
3) Leave Ticks Outside. If you can do so without getting arrested, disrobe outside your house or your tent when returning from an outdoor adventure, to avoid bringing ticks in with you. Put your potentially-ticky clothing in a plastic bag (perhaps with a spritz of insecticide) and seal it until you can wash it. Some experts recommend putting your clothes in the drier on high heat for 30 minutes to desiccate and kill any hitchhiking ticks before washing–just be careful that no ticks drop off before you get the clothes in the dryer.
4) Tick Check! Check yourself carefully at the end of any outdoor adventure (even a stroll across your lawn). It takes awhile for an embedded tick to transmit disease and a tick check should be as much a part of your daily routine as brushing your teeth before bed. If you don’t have a companion to help, carry a mirror to examine spots you can’t see easily. Remember the “National Geographic” videos with chimpanzees grooming each other? Yes, they’re removing ticks, lice, etc…feel free to make appropriate chimp noises while helping someone do their tick check. Tick checks with your partner can lead to some "other" fun activities! Use your imagination! :camohat:
5) Carefully remove any ticks you find by pulling gently with tweezers or using any one of the myriad tick pullers on the market. We’ve had excellent results with the Ticked Off; it puts pressure on the skin and allows you to push the tick up and out. Killing ticks can be difficult; they’re remarkably well armored. Best bets are to flush them, or, if you are regularly in tick territory, to carry a little bottle with rubbing alcohol in it…just drop the ticks in, put the cover back on, you’re done.
6)Don’t panic!It takes 24 hours for any disease to be released into you. After you remove the tick, take a pen, draw a circle around the bite, and monitor it for changes. See your doctor immediately as a precaution, but especially if you develop any disease symptoms like swelling, fever, a rash, etc.
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Post by: Sir-diealot on April 14, 2020, 11:56:04 PM
Such a serious topic with so much information out there. Sometimes it's hard to know what's effective and what might or might not work.
For instance, some people eat garlic or onions as a natural deterrent. If it works for them, GREAT! Keep doing what works. For me, all it does is earn me a night sleeping on the couch and some heartburn.
My wife swears by covering her entire body in baby oil or Skin So Soft prior to applying her Deet spray. She claims that the ticks do not like the oily surface when trying to attach. She has never had a tick attached to her, so I do not doubt it's effectiveness. Others claim tree tea oil does the same.
Personally, some things I do that I don't see mentioned often are as follows:
1. I start out by using a repellent-based body wash and shampoo called Top Secret BioShield.
Whether guys think it's effective or not is up to them. I surely wouldn't use it alone. I still apply deet after my shower, of course. Once again, just another line of defense that is worth it to me.
https://www.bioshield-rx.com/shop/bioshield-body-wash-and-shampoo-12oz/
2. Wear a tight fitting base layer. Yes, compression wear. You can find compression wear so breathable and lightweight that it can be worn in even the hottest conditions. The tighter fitting the better, but make sure it's comfortable. This provides a layer that ticks have a really hard time getting under, which is a great line of defense. So important. Yes, I personally look like a fat stuffed piece of polish sausage in the stuff, but my camo goes over top, so no other hunter's get to witness my manly physique.:help:
3. I always wear rubber boots turkey hunting, but no matter what boots you wear I highly recommend not tucking your pants into your boots. Pulling your pant legs down over rubber boots surely isn't the best fashion statement, but who cares? Your open boot tops are are great access point for ticks. I have a friend who duct tapes his pant legs and sleeves shut. It works for him and it's effective.
4. I also started using Elimitick Clothing. Not only do I use it hunting, I wear it in the fields while food plotting, brush hogging, you name it. It does work and is effective.
https://gamehide.com/why-gamehide/elimitick/
Below, I've also added a list of other ways to protect yourself. Some are common and well-known, but it is good advice.
If this information helps one person with some new ideas, it was worth the time sharing it.
Stay safe out there guys!
:cowboy:
Six Easy Steps to Keep Ticks Away
These simple steps can help you keep ticks away to avoid tick bites and tick-borne diseases.
1) Wear protective clothing to keep ticks away. Especially important are long pants, which should be tucked into high socks. Ticks generally latch on to a passing critter (you!) and crawl up, looking for a spot to burrow in and feed. Light colors will help you spot the ticks. A couple of years ago, in what wasn’t even a “bad” year for ticks, I took a short hike that passed through a brushy field and found nine brown dog ticks on my light gray socks when I got back to the car.
2) Use a DEET-based insect repellent to keep ticks away around your ankles, wrists (preferably with a light-colored, long-sleeve shirt) and on your neck. Put repellent on your clothing at the entry points (aerosol or pump sprays are best for this), not just on your skin. Caution: This may discolor some clothing, so if you care about looking chic, you may want to change clothes. Our favorite repellent after years of testing is 3M Ultrathon; it stays on longer when you’re hot and sweaty than anything else we’ve ever tried. Sad to say, none of the “natural” (non-Deet) products we’ve tried seem to actually work. If you choose not to use a DEET-based repellent, be extra careful with protective clothing. Find what works best for you.
3) Leave Ticks Outside. If you can do so without getting arrested, disrobe outside your house or your tent when returning from an outdoor adventure, to avoid bringing ticks in with you. Put your potentially-ticky clothing in a plastic bag (perhaps with a spritz of insecticide) and seal it until you can wash it. Some experts recommend putting your clothes in the drier on high heat for 30 minutes to desiccate and kill any hitchhiking ticks before washing–just be careful that no ticks drop off before you get the clothes in the dryer.
4) Tick Check! Check yourself carefully at the end of any outdoor adventure (even a stroll across your lawn). It takes awhile for an embedded tick to transmit disease and a tick check should be as much a part of your daily routine as brushing your teeth before bed. If you don’t have a companion to help, carry a mirror to examine spots you can’t see easily. Remember the “National Geographic” videos with chimpanzees grooming each other? Yes, they’re removing ticks, lice, etc…feel free to make appropriate chimp noises while helping someone do their tick check. Tick checks with your partner can lead to some "other" fun activities! Use your imagination! :camohat:
5) Carefully remove any ticks you find by pulling gently with tweezers or using any one of the myriad tick pullers on the market. We’ve had excellent results with the Ticked Off; it puts pressure on the skin and allows you to push the tick up and out. Killing ticks can be difficult; they’re remarkably well armored. Best bets are to flush them, or, if you are regularly in tick territory, to carry a little bottle with rubbing alcohol in it…just drop the ticks in, put the cover back on, you’re done.
6)Don’t panic!It takes 24 hours for any disease to be released into you. After you remove the tick, take a pen, draw a circle around the bite, and monitor it for changes. See your doctor immediately as a precaution, but especially if you develop any disease symptoms like swelling, fever, a rash, etc.
Post by: CT Spur Collector on April 16, 2020, 05:02:25 PM
Now...this comes from a guy that's been bit 35 times....that is: dug them out....I've never been tested for Lyme but probably should.....I'll always use this spray...absolutely works without question.....Stay safe.
Post by: Moneyball11 on April 18, 2020, 08:53:31 PM
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Post by: SCGobbler on April 18, 2020, 08:59:11 PM
I don’t think it will hold up to washing though.
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Post by: SCGobbler on April 27, 2020, 02:48:33 PM
No ticks, Doesn't seem to kill spiders though as I have still seen a few of those crawling here and there.
But no ticks.
Post by: harbour on July 07, 2020, 11:45:20 PM
Post by: Huckleberry91 on July 31, 2020, 08:54:12 PM
Post by: HFultzjr on September 17, 2020, 11:00:42 AM
Make sure you read the comments and check out some of the links........Lots of good info.
https://sectionhiker.com/permethrin-soak-method-guide/
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Post by: Spurchaser88 on January 27, 2021, 10:23:20 PM
Post by: mhamby on February 18, 2021, 04:23:40 PM
I’ve also suffered through Lyme Disease, it’s bad stuff. Being allergic to the antibiotics used to treat it made matters even worse.
I have a spray and remove routine that I practice religiously now.
I spray/pre-treat my clothing with Permethrin, cover my skin in safe to use repellant, upon returning my truck or camp, I strip down and change clothing.
Post by: rakkin6 on February 28, 2021, 01:48:25 PM
1. Always use unscented body wash, typically leftover from deer season. Same with any clothing.
2. I wear 2 leafy suits throughout the season. Both get sprayed twice through the season with permetherine.
3. All base layers under leafy suit sprayed down with deer, arms, head, boots sprayed down with deet also. I do tuck base layer in boots but leafy suit stays outside.
4. Little too for you guys that wear leafy suits. I wear OD Green doctors scrubs under mine. Most comfortable thing ever, you may laugh but they work great.
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Post by: 76chevy on April 20, 2021, 02:48:51 PM
great info
Post by: Turkeyman on April 20, 2021, 04:19:54 PM
https://sectionhiker.com/permethrin-soak-method-guide/
Well, I use the 36.8% Martin's permethrin concentrate and dilute to .5% or generally .7%. It contains petroleum. I dampen all my turkey gear with my garden sprayer. Well...if there's any petroleum present I can't smell it...and that's good enough for turkeys...or deer in IMO. I've been doing this for several years and have yet to get a tick.
Post by: lunghit on April 28, 2021, 09:13:02 PM
Post by: TTG on May 01, 2021, 08:32:22 PM
Buddy and I went to a new spot today, had a mile and a half walk in to the back of a big chunk of public. Most of it was through varying grasses, from ankle high to stomach high. We sat down at our first setup and in the span of about 10 minutes I watched him pull 6 or 7 off. Throughout the morning, he was constantly pulling them off his neck, arms, and legs. Get back to the truck and we pull 6 off the outside of his shirt, 7 off his back and stomach attached to skin, and 2 or 3 on the car ride home. Overall, I would confident say he had 25 or so on him.
Now, the whole morning I was paranoid. Yes I’ve used this mix before and have had good results. But with the ridiculous number of ticks he pulled off him this morning I was fully expecting to still find a couple. Get home, strip and do a good search...0 ticks. Never saw one on me all morning either. I honestly was shocked but super excited to see that first hand. I did tuck my shirt into my pants and my pants into my socks which I’m sure made a big difference too. Color me impressed.
Post by: scattergun on September 08, 2021, 03:54:28 AM
About the only stuff I've found to work for sure is 99+% deet bug spray. The only problem is that stuff melts things it shouldn't Shirt graphics, plastic, camo on your shotgun. There ain't no chance that the stuff is safe to put on your body (even if you try and get it on clothes only). I don't care what the short term studies say, anything as volatile as that will kill you eventually if you use it every day. It's better than west nile, so I use it when I have to.
The only bug repellant I use anymore is a Thermacell. They are a godsend. They aren't 100% on ticks, but it sure seems better than permethrin to me. Maybe it's just me, but unlike the guy who claims to have been bitten by ticks 35 times, as if that's a lot, I have no clue how many I've had. I pick them off when I feel them, and check myself when I can. No big deal. Ticks have the ability to carry nasty things, but I've not seen anything that shows they are as bad as mosquitoes. I've known one person to get Lymes, and while it looked like it hurt for a few days with some medicine, that was that. I have no idea how that guy earlier in the thread can claim to have some after effects 30 years later. West Nile on the other hand is bad news. Best case you are diagnosed with a test, and recover on your own eventually. The first time I heard of a spinal tap was from a west nile case.
I don't mean to downplay the horrible diseases you can get from ticks, but what are the actual odds of catching them? 50 to 1 vs a bad mosquito disease? A quick search shows there are somewhere around 20-25 cases a year of this AGS disease, and something like 2000 of west nile. Which one am I more worried about?
As bad as AGS sounds, it looks like symptoms go away in time. West nile has a shockingly high motility rate.
Post by: Notsoyoungturk on February 03, 2022, 11:10:13 AM
1. Cases of tickborne illnesses are at a record high and have doubled in some locations over the last 2 decades. Cases of Lyme disease have tripled. We don't know the exact amount because a large portion of cases go unreported or unrecognized.
2. Over the last 2 decades, 7 new tickborne germs have been found that cause disease and more are on the way. We are also finding new tick species in the US. These germs will eventually explain disease processes for people who have had tick exposures but test negative for Lyme, RMSF, Erlichiosis, Anaplasmosis, Babesiosis, Tularemia, etc...
3. The range for ticks causing disease seems to be expanding. Part of this expansion may be increased awareness of tick diseases, better recognition of disease symptoms and increased testing.
4. Alpha-gal allergy - I hunt in an area where tick bites can cause alpha-gal allergy. Affected people become sensitized to alpha-gal and can have reactions to beef, pork, lamb, gelatins, certain candies and milk. These reactions can range from mild to more serious but some people have to almost completely avoid these products.
Everyone has heard the old saying that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure; these illnesses fall into that category. Good hunting and stay safe.
Post by: DMTJAGER on April 15, 2022, 10:24:59 PM
Just finished five days of IL's turkey opener hunted southern portion of the northern third of the state and 90% of the time temps were in the low 40's one day in the 50's and one day in the mid 60's and yes the tics were active. Found 3 on my person and picked off over a dozen I found crawling on my legs or forearms.
Post by: Turkeybutt on May 06, 2022, 10:38:34 AM
I still keep a can of Sawyers in the truck to touch up my boots or hat before going into the woods.
It pays to be safe!
Post by: kayl on May 07, 2022, 11:13:11 PM
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Post by: bigriverbum on May 12, 2022, 01:45:38 PM
when i took it off at the end of the morning, the tick stuck in my arm was already dead. the spray works
Post by: Steve on December 06, 2022, 10:07:59 AM
Post by: 76chevy on December 31, 2022, 11:06:22 AM
Today REALLY made me a believer. I’ve used it for a few years now and really haven’t found ticks on me since. However, today was a true test while I had .05% Martin’s mix and my buddy had nothing.
Buddy and I went to a new spot today, had a mile and a half walk in to the back of a big chunk of public. Most of it was through varying grasses, from ankle high to stomach high. We sat down at our first setup and in the span of about 10 minutes I watched him pull 6 or 7 off. Throughout the morning, he was constantly pulling them off his neck, arms, and legs. Get back to the truck and we pull 6 off the outside of his shirt, 7 off his back and stomach attached to skin, and 2 or 3 on the car ride home. Overall, I would confident say he had 25 or so on him.
Now, the whole morning I was paranoid. Yes I’ve used this mix before and have had good results. But with the ridiculous number of ticks he pulled off him this morning I was fully expecting to still find a couple. Get home, strip and do a good search...0 ticks. Never saw one on me all morning either. I honestly was shocked but super excited to see that first hand. I did tuck my shirt into my pants and my pants into my socks which I’m sure made a big difference too. Color me impressed.
Post by: Notsoyoungturk on January 30, 2023, 09:45:07 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in collaboration with Mayo Clinic and health officials from Minnesota, Wisconsin, and North Dakota, report the discovery of a new species of bacteria (Borrelia mayonii) that causes Lyme disease in people. Until now, Borrelia burgdorferi was the only species believed to cause Lyme disease in North America.
Limited information from the first six patients suggests that illness caused by B. mayonii is similar to that caused by B. burgdorferi, but with a few possible differences. Like B. burgdorferi, B. mayonii causes fever, headache, rash, and neck pain in the early stages of infection (days after exposure) and arthritis in later stages of infection (weeks after exposure). Unlike B. burgdorferi, however, B. mayonii is associated with nausea and vomiting, diffuse rashes (rather than a single so-called “bull’s-eye” rash), and a higher concentration of bacteria in the blood.
To date, the evidence suggests that the distribution of B. mayonii is limited to the upper midwestern United States. The new species was not identified in any of the approximately 25,000 blood samples from residents of 43 other states with suspected tickborne disease taken during the same period, including states in the Northeast and Mid-Atlantic region where Lyme disease is common.
Post by: Muzzy61 on March 01, 2023, 09:23:24 AM
I turkey hunted for the first time this spring and sprayed my stuff, never ran into any ticks, but it was pretty cold out. I don't normally treat my deer stuff, do you guys and have you noticed any odor issues?
Here in florida I treat for anytime i'm in the woods. Haven't noticed any bad responses during deer season.
Post by: gobrunner on March 11, 2023, 06:58:07 AM
Post by: bkraft on March 26, 2023, 10:17:22 AM
Post by: paboxcall on March 26, 2023, 10:29:16 AM
Dumb question. I generally water proof my hunting clothes with Camp Dry before each season, so do I treat for ticks first and then water proof(which makes sense to me),or forget the water proofing and just spray for the ticks? Never turkey hunted before is why I/m asking.
The tick needs to come into direct contact with the residuals from the permethrin spray product to be effective. If you are going to waterproof, do that first and let if fully dry, then spray the Sawyers over that.
Post by: SDK on March 28, 2023, 11:54:01 AM
Post by: Sir-diealot on March 28, 2023, 12:50:58 PM
I got the last bottle of Sawyers on the shelf at my local Walmart. Not sure if there has been a spring run on it, but maybe don't wait if you need some....Just make your own, much cheaper in the long run and only takes a few minutes.
Post by: SDK on March 28, 2023, 07:43:49 PM
I got the last bottle of Sawyers on the shelf at my local Walmart. Not sure if there has been a spring run on it, but maybe don't wait if you need some....Just make your own, much cheaper in the long run and only takes a few minutes.
Thanks and I will check into that when this one runs out.
Post by: 76chevy on April 04, 2023, 09:02:58 AM
Post by: wyetterp on April 07, 2023, 11:36:28 PM
Dumb question. I generally water proof my hunting clothes with Camp Dry before each season, so do I treat for ticks first and then water proof(which makes sense to me),or forget the water proofing and just spray for the ticks? Never turkey hunted before is why I/m asking.
Sounds like a smart question to me...
I would do a soak method with ziplock bags if it's already been camp dry. That or spray really heavy on the inside of anything you camp dry.
Personally I would bag soak, hang & dry, then camp dry.
As a side note to everyone....
Make sure to cover your bases on your face, ears, neck or anywhere openly exposed as well.
Just had a tick embedded in my eyelid on the outside. Had to get a doc to deal with it & given medications after the fact.
All my clothing & vest was sprayed heavy with permethrin & the sucker still got me in the one place I never even considered.
Post by: bigdrumnc on April 28, 2023, 06:51:38 AM
Post by: kayl on April 28, 2023, 07:11:18 PM
After mixing your own spray, do y’all wash your clothes before wearing them in the field or just roll with it after it dries? I mixed my own and thoroughly sprayed my clothes. I defiantly feel I got better coverage than an aerosol can. Thanks!
No washing, just wear once dried.
Post by: Sir-diealot on April 28, 2023, 07:50:35 PM
After mixing your own spray, do y’all wash your clothes before wearing them in the field or just roll with it after it dries? I mixed my own and thoroughly sprayed my clothes. I defiantly feel I got better coverage than an aerosol can. Thanks!
No washing, just wear once dried.
Same.
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Post by: bwhana on June 08, 2023, 10:33:24 PM
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