just thought I would ask. I trade, buy and sell calls here all the time and go through the classifieds. I see calls that are not hard to get being sold with the asking price the same and many times higher than the prices that the maker sales them for and sometimes just shake my head. Now , if its a call with a long wait time , I understand the pricing , but I am talking about calls that you can pick up the phone and the maker will have that exact call to you in 3 months or less. I know some don't want to wait sometimes and thats cool , but this time of year , why not wait and get a brand new call straight from the maker. Now before anyone gets offended by what I am asking , I understand its your call you are selling or trading and you can ask what you dang well please. I am not saying that , I am simply asking because I see people trying to trade their calls for calls that are way more valueable than what they are wanting to trade and a whole lot of folks that are selling calls that are the same and in many cases higher than you can get straight from the maker. I just pass right on to the next one. I could understand if your season was real close or going on and you wanted it to hunt with now but with everyones season over and several months away , why would you pay $10 or sometimes more than what the maker with a 2 month turn around can give you for less. Even if the call has never been hunted. I just dont get it. I would like the perspective of others that buy and trade here alot. On a ending note , I notice alot of this from newer members with low post. So , what say you?
Ive been wanting to post this myself, but was unsure how to do it and not offend anyone. I think you did a swell job.
I do not have alot of post and not super active on the site. However, I was several years ago and then it went to the way side. I re-registered when I set up my 20 this year to shoot tss.
Back to the topic my main reason now for the site is to buy and trade calls. I too notice desired calls being offered for more than they cost new with no wait time. I agree the call is the sellers and they have the right to price it to their desire. I do send pms on calls asking if they will take a cheaper price if its something I like. Sometimes it works out sometimes it doesnt. Im ok with that. I mean no disrespect to the seller when doing so. I hope the seller understands. For items with new price or over on the classifieds, I will purchase from the craftsman.
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I am sick of seeing these falsely inflated calls costs. Hopefully there are more makers like Mr. Mabry that will see it and try to put a stop to it. All you are doing is driving up the cost of calls for your profit. I do not care who makes the pot or how hard it is to get I am not paying $100+ for a pot call. There are too many and it is not very hard to find a good one for hunting. I understand some guys love to collect and I am cool with that, but no need to drive up prices on calls so you can profit off of the call makers hard work.
Lonnie Mabry, all this conversation about him will probably hurt his business rather than help him, since he doesn't mail his calls and now people can only buy 2 at regular price is going to hurt him. Who is going to drive 10-12 hrs on a trip just to buy 2 calls? A lot of people made that trip with the intention of picking up many calls for their friends and others.
I think that Lonnie will have so many calls left in his shop that he will probably have to stop making them, or slow way down. JMO
Also would like to see the Tukey call classifieds be for the sale or trade of a call rather than turned into a WTB classifieds section, There is a separate section listed further down the page for WTB items.
There is no such thing as "falsely inflated costs"
Just like anything else in the world....Supply and demand...its that simple. If you think it cost too much, move on.....
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A Frank Cox trumpet comes to mind, when mentioning inflation. Why can you buy from him and sell for 3-4 times the original cost?
I bought a call , trumpet , for $125 a few years ago now the call maker charge in $250 what should i sell it for.¿¿¿¿¿¿¿
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I know I have paid higher than normal on one or two things but here is the thing in my case, I am on disability, I get paid on the third of the month and if I ask somebody if they would be willing to either hold that call til then or make me the same call on the third when I pay them then they are doing me a major favor and my not quibbling about the cost is my way of saying thank you for working with me. I have had several here work that way with me and I am beyond grateful, I would not have the calls I have gotten here if it had not been for them taking a chance on me. That is not to say if it is to high for me I will not ask them to come down on some things, I do still have to meet my monthly budget every month, but if I think the price is fair I will not quibble.
That said if I see a call here that goes for 65 bucks in the outside world if you may and they are asking 200 then I don't want anything to do with it. I have started doing a lot more research and am trying to learn more so I do not give more than I feel reasonable.
Jody....
I sit on the fence on this issue, because I see and respect both sides. Supply and Demand certainly has it's place, but when it comes to the sport of turkey hunting and the craft of call making, there is a level of respect in our community that is to be expected in my opinion as well. That being said, I agree sometimes the "inflated" cost vs. direct cost from maker makes sense when talking about no longer made or extremely long waiting list calls from said maker. But the extremes from these said makers that we've been seeing lately hurt everyone. Prices will continue to rise if people pay them, but the people that keep raising them are doing it out of greed. If you notice in the last year, just about every call maker has raised their prices, so it's evdient it's affecting it across the board.
Basically the questions that comes to my mind is when is the ceiling gonna fall out? When are makers gonna say they've had enough?
In my opinion its just greed. I'm not a call collector, and only own a few calls and have one more ordered. I hunt my calls, and don't buy them to trade or to have them to look at and get out and run once in a while, or enter into calling competitons. I refuse to buy from anyone but the original maker. There are many great call makers out there that make awesome calls that you don't have to wait for. Those who buy and then sell for 3-4 times and sometimes more than the original makers price can justify it in what ever way makes them feel good, but my opinion is its just plain greedy and wrong, and those doing the buying are just plain crazy. Just my opinion.
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on June 15, 2018, 09:00:57 AM
just thought I would ask. I trade, buy and sell calls here all the time and go through the classifieds. I see calls that are not hard to get being sold with the asking price the same and many times higher than the prices that the maker sales them for and sometimes just shake my head. Now , if its a call with a long wait time , I understand the pricing , but I am talking about calls that you can pick up the phone and the maker will have that exact call to you in 3 months or less. I know some don't want to wait sometimes and thats cool , but this time of year , why not wait and get a brand new call straight from the maker. Now before anyone gets offended by what I am asking , I understand its your call you are selling or trading and you can ask what you dang well please. I am not saying that , I am simply asking because I see people trying to trade their calls for calls that are way more valueable than what they are wanting to trade and a whole lot of folks that are selling calls that are the same and in many cases higher than you can get straight from the maker. I just pass right on to the next one. I could understand if your season was real close or going on and you wanted it to hunt with now but with everyones season over and several months away , why would you pay $10 or sometimes more than what the maker with a 2 month turn around can give you for less. Even if the call has never been hunted. I just dont get it. I would like the perspective of others that buy and trade here alot. On a ending note , I notice alot of this from newer members with low post. So , what say you?
I agree with what your saying 100 percent.. But i also look at the call for what it is ..like old growth wood, type and the maker... i will sometimes pay a little more for a wood type's or older growth wood calls...Same with strikers .... I have some of Marlins old boxes , for me they are priceless and i have one of his that's a transition to his fiddle box... i guess it has a lot to do with what you want to pay and add it to your collection. I know one call maker who makes long boxes and doesn't charge more than 100 dollars for his boxes , but in my opinion he could get a lot more than 100 dollars for his boxes.. I think sometimes call makers over price what they make or have for sale...just opinion ....
I agree with what everyone else has said. I think a lot of boys on here including my self collect turkey calls. Just like guns you may have a lot of guns but you only hunt a few turkey calls are the same way. I have bought a lot of calls on here a traded some too. I think when a call comes up for sale you don't have and its $10 more you don't even think about it you just buy it. For the most part most of the time calls on here are reasonable priced. Really the only calls I ever see that priced very high are Paul Platz and Clint Corder. And a few box call makers. The only reason I'm saying their priced reasonable most of the time is because if you ever see what calls are selling for on EBay which I know most of you do you would agree. eBay is way higher priced than here that's a lot of the reason I don't buy them on there much anymore. Talking about Lonnie Mabry. I've seen his calls sell for $200 on eBay before. I'm also going to ride the fence on this one though. All of you are real good people and I don't want to piss anyone off.
This topic was brought up for opinions and food for thought. Here is one example , A Lon Trice glass in Orange Agate pot. He sells for lets say 70 bucks shipped and then someone attempts to sell that pot for 85 shipped.Its a great pot , but if you wait 2 months you can get it from him for 70 and its never belonged to no one else. Lon makes a awesome pot and is a awesome guy. Take a Clint Corder pot. His wait is a loooooong time so I understand those selling really high. I collect calls and wheel and deal all the time. This is just a after season topic for the down time. I was just saying that I would not pay the same or higher for a call that I can get from the maker in a couple of months.
Quote from: Spitten and drummen on June 15, 2018, 09:00:57 AM
Just thought I would ask.
I trade, buy and sell calls here all the time and go through the classifieds. I see calls that are not hard to get being sold with the asking price the same and many times higher than the prices that the maker sales them for and sometimes just shake my head. Now, if it's a call with a long wait time, I understand the pricing, but I am talking about calls that you can pick up the phone and the maker will have that exact call to you in 3 months or less.
I know some don't want to wait sometimes and that's cool, but this time of year, why not wait and get a brand-new call straight from the maker. Now before anyone gets offended by what I am asking, I understand it's your call you are selling or trading and you can ask what you dang well please. I am not saying that, I am simply asking because I see people trying to trade their calls for calls that are way more valuable than what they are wanting to trade and a whole lot of folks that are selling calls that are the same and, in many cases, higher than you can get straight from the maker.
I just pass right on to the next one. I could understand if your season was real close or going on and you wanted it to hunt with now but with everyone's season over and several months away, why would you pay $10 or sometimes more than what the maker with a 2 month turn around can give you for less. Even if the call has never been hunted. I just don't get it. I would like the perspective of others that buy and trade here a lot.
On an ending note, I notice a lot of this from newer members with low post. So, what say you?
It is a capitalistic market, and I think that there is some responsibility of the buyer to be aware of and responsible for his/her own purchases.
That being said, it seems a bit unethical for someone to purposely inflate prices of calls to "make a buck." And there is no reason that other members should not be allowed to respond to such posts letting other "buyers" know that the price is not in line with the market value, or more tactfully asking why the price is so high as compared to the actual value... (Maybe the call is a limited addition or has other "unique" features).
And, as a private site, I would have no issue with owners removing members who are seemingly consistently trying to scam people.
And this my friends is why bartering and trading works so much better. It doesn't put a monetary value on a call, just makes it easier to get what you want and give someone something that they want. I have calls I would consider trading....but never selling.
Maybe I misunderstood this classified ad rule "9) List a Firm Price only - no auctions best offers or the like". I posted a few ads and listed the price I wanted for the call. I got quite a few PM offers for less than my asking price. Is it legit to contact the seller and offer less?
People wheel and deal. If someone makes me a offer, i dont get offended , i just respectfully decline.
Quote from: idgobble on June 15, 2018, 09:24:52 PM
Maybe I misunderstood this classified ad rule "9) List a Firm Price only - no auctions best offers or the like". I posted a few ads and listed the price I wanted for the call. I got quite a few PM offers for less than my asking price. Is it legit to contact the seller and offer less?
Imo...People should be able to ask what they want for a call.If you want to ask If they will take less imo nothing should be wrong with that. A simple no If they don't except..If someone isn't educated enough to make a smart purchase whos fault is that they'll get educated. Im not meaning this in a mean way,but its life plain and simple. Look at houses,vehicles,etc....
If I buy a call and it's a limited edition should I sell it 5 years later for what I paid for It? If you buy a call that everyone wants and the call maker doesn't make them anymore sell it for what you bought it for?
People spend 10 or 20$ dollars extra on a call than they could buy it from the maker for because it is in front of them and they have the money right at that moment.
I do have a problem with people that get on a callmakers list simply to turn around and sell the call to make a profit when guys really want the call to keep and are sitting on the list.
Trading is for some guys,but for myself I've kept all but one call I've ever bought and feel that trades are going to be lop sided one way or the other when it comes down to dollars and cents and I'll stick to $$$$ at least at this point and time.
I don't think this is a babysitting service. Let people ask what they want . It's the buyers responsibility to know what it's worth as long as the call is described correctly...
I see the problem, nut I don't see a way to stop without causing too much hassle for all the other buyers and sellers.
I wish I could make something nice enough that someone would want to scalp it. ;D
Going to your Lonzo example. Before I started buying from him, I had no idea what he charged. I think some times an uneducated buyer is taken advantage of. But in the turkey call world it is not always easy to know what they sell for originally.
Good topic.