For those just starting out, or in their beginning years - and as the seasons are winding down and you find yourself questioning your choice of calls - I'll offer up this advice...
There is NO SUCH THING as THE BEST call. There are a lot of GREAT calls, for sure, but not one of them possesses any "mystical powers" that work all the time.
When you decide to start buying calls - stick to basic principles like sound quality, craftsmanship, maker reputation, play-ability, an what looks good to you. If you can't competently run a call, buying a high dollar call or a highly sought after brand "X" call won't fix that. Remember... a great caller can make a mediocre call sound great. A mediocre caller can make a great call sound, well... mediocre. That said, using a call that has the potential to be great is always best.
If you are just learning to play a certain type of call, having one that has that potential is much easier to master. You only have to worry about how you play it, vs. how to get the most out of it. This is where it is convenient to buy a call "off the table" - where the builder can demonstrate what the call is supposed to sound like. Sound files or videos of the call you are buying will also work. Once you are comfortable or confident with your favorite call maker(s), you can start buying calls sight unseen - knowing it's going to be a good one. (This is also where a trusted reputation from others can be relied on to buy a call)
Every year you will hear or read about "the best call I've ever had". Some will profess that calls are magic and birds died only because they were using call "X", made by "so-and-so". We say that because we believe it - at the moment. And, we like to tell the story. Kinda like fishermen. (come to think of it, most of us fish too!) Nobody takes the time to brag about their favorite "super-call" that they hunted on whatever certain day, when they got no response. At all. Nothing. Or the bird that shut up and went the other way. But guess what? That happens! And, more often than we care to admit. If not, all of our seasons would last only as long as we had unfilled tag(s). 2 tags plus the PERFECT call = 2 days hunting - right? Ha!
To borrow a phrase from a forum friend, some of the birds that fall to our "magical" calls could have been called in with a rusty gate hinge - but we like to give credit to the call anyway.
There are lots of junk calls out there, but there are also lots and lots of quality calls that are "full of turkey". You can only stuff so many feathers into any one call. It can only sound like a real turkey, at the very best. Just keep that in mind.
If you become "addicted" (like most of us), you'll want as many "real turkeys" in your arsenal as you can afford. Preferably, each with a slightly different tone or sound. Great calls are fun to play.
Don't chase unicorns, they don't exist. Neither does the "BEST". I write this just as advice to those that may be tempted into spending hundreds or thousands of dollars trying to buy what isn't there. Buy calls based on what you think you can do with them, not what you think they can do for you.
Disclaimer: The views expressed in this post are those of the author (me), and not all will agree - but most will, if they are honest. ;)
**and if anyone really does have the "unicorn" of turkey calls... hit me up with a PM! :TooFunny:
Nice read. Thanks
Good post. i have always felt the same way about decoys and camo. I have talked to old-timers who say they killed them with 2 3/4" inch lead 6's wearing blue jeans and black trash bags as decoys. Sure get what you can but don't obsess.
Very well stated!
So your saying my search for the perfect yelp for the last 30 years has been in vain???...Crap! The search continues.. Good post.
A $15 call in the right hands will call in turkeys. A $100 call on the wrong hands wont.
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Yes, that is 100% accurate. But if you want to spend your money on a $100 custom call, go right ahead. Don't expect it to be your saving grace or have any bearing on your success in calling in turkeys. Makes more sense to practice on the $15 call until you develop more proficiency.
Get a good call. With plenty of practice you can get playing it to its potential .
If you end up with a junk call , you will only get so good of results.
Agree, spend your money on good calls, like custom made ones..cheap production calls will kill turkeys also, but you get why you pay for... the sound of a good custom call will make all the difference in your calling ability ....Practice Practice Practice....
There isn't any magic pixie dust in the turkey call world...
Some folks get wrapped up in the lastest & greatest call to hit the streets....
Some think, if they spend lots of money on a certain call, it's a better call...
Supply & demand in our world, don't mean a thing to the fella's with red heads...
The basis idea turkey calls are built, is to call in turkeys......It really doesn't matter how good, you & I think, they sound...The turkeys will answer that question for you in the woods....
It's much better for a newer hunter to use one call & be very good with it, rather then how ever many, ya think, ya need and not be proficient with any of them....
Just my 2cents.....
Something else to have in your head is what a turkey actually should sound like. If you don't have that and your "proficient" practice matches it, well you are wasting your time...
Denny
Well said, Denny...
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Very well stated SteelerFan!
2 things I have learned:
You can't call in a gobbler that isn't there.
If a gobbler really doesn't want to play....he isn't going to play.
Enjoyed that read.
Like many of you, I have a couple of Walmart sacks full of box and slate calls as well as other gimmicks I've picked up along the turkey hunting way. Having said that, over the past 30 years I've learned, as was noted in a previous post, if the gobbler isn't there, you can't call him in; therefore, some good woodsmanship to put you where the turkeys are located is the first thing that must happen. Once that's been established, then you've got to convince him that there really is something over there worth seeing, whether it's a hen looking to breed or another gobbler challenging the peck order status or both. Some can do that just with good calling while others may need the help of some decoys to go along with the calling. Personally, I've just finished my 9th year with the same mouth calls and plan to retire them after next spring's season. Some may think that's being way too frugal, but they still sound realistic and even added some raspy quality. (Over the years, I've heard a wide range of real hen vocalizations and often they are not as "good" as the audio from which I learned!) These old diaphragm calls helped account for two gobblers during the 2017 Southern Illinois spring season. In addition, I often set out a gobbler decoy as well as a couple of hen decoy. I've had toms come rushing in to my Pretty Boy as well as the Funky Chicken gobbler decoy, but I've also had them intimidated by both of these regardless of it being early or late season, exhibiting that a turkey will do what a turkey wants to do! His past experience with other turkeys has programmed him to react to what he thinks are some other "real" turkeys and it very well be to just keep his distance. Patience and perseverance are two characteristics of successful turkey hunters, meaning that if necessary they stay in the woods rather than head back to the truck by 8 a.m. and they are willing to try different techniques to be successful. That pretty well sums up my advice after 30 years of turkey hunting, but I feel safe in saying that I'll learn something new next year.
True statements for sure but at the end of the day I love owning custom calls built by other craftsman. I say this as I sit on my couch running a few Marlin Watkins calls to decide which one goes to the woods tomorrow to end the season. Ebony/cedar wins.
Good luck Mr. Lyman
Been hunting turkeys for 50 years have over a hundred calls of all kinds high dollar, some of the best sounding calls i have are just cheap calls by major company's just because they are high dollar doesn't automatically make them a great call an looking at them doesn't mean anything you got to run them to see if they are anygood ,but like everybody else said if don't know how to call an when to use the right series of calls it want make any difference
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Quote from: HFultzjr on May 27, 2017, 08:28:05 PM
Very well stated SteelerFan!
2 things I have learned:
You can't call in a gobbler that isn't there.
If a gobbler really doesn't want to play....he isn't going to play.
Glad to see this bumped back up to the top,...a subject well worth more discussion.
I agree,...excellent original post, SteelerFan.
In the "things learned" category, the two mentioned by HFultzjr are right on the money, as well. Here's a couple more to add to that list:
1---Although they all speak the same language, turkeys have many different voices. They don't all sound the same, and anytime we are calling to them, we are basically trying to replicate one (or more) of the many voices that may be present in a turkey flock. The voice we decide to replicate may or may not be the one that a gobbler will be attracted to.
2---The sound that a gobbler will respond to is sometimes very different from that which WE think he will respond to. Using different calls with different sounding "voices",...as well as different calling strategies,...can be an effective tactic in changing a gobbler's attitude. Not only that, but sometimes really odd-ball calling tactics will work,...even when we can't imagine they would. I would never recommend starting out with off-sounding calls or odd-ball calling tactics, but I have personally witnessed sounds and tactics work, when all else had failed, that I would never have dreamed would work, turn a gobbler on and have him come to the call.
Quote from: GobbleNut on June 18, 2017, 04:19:59 PM
...Although they all speak the same language, turkeys have many different voices. They don't all sound the same, and anytime we are calling to them, we are basically trying to replicate one (or more) of the many voices that may be present in a turkey flock. The voice we decide to replicate may or may not be the one that a gobbler will be attracted to...
Bingo! The worst sounding calls (and best) I've ever heard have come from actual birds.
These two posts, pretty much sums it all up
When it comes to a call although call A may sound better than call B there are more important factors. E.g. the person running it knows what he wants to say and how to say it. Like cadence, note length and note separation. As an example this spring I went down to my son's place 100 miles away to take my grandson out. Well, like an idiot, I forgot my vest at home with all my calls. However my son had a horrible sounding pot call so off we went. A now deceased longbeard didn't care.
Quote from: Turkey-Man on June 25, 2017, 01:04:30 PM
When it comes to a call although call A may sound better than call B there are more important factors. E.g. the person running it knows what he wants to say and how to say it. Like cadence, note length and note separation. As an example this spring I went down to my son's place 100 miles away to take my grandson out. Well, like an idiot, I forgot my vest at home with all my calls. However my son had a horrible sounding pot call so off we went. A now deceased longbeard didn't care.
Well said. Also, your setup can and will have as much to do with how well a bird responds (or doesn't) to your calls.
As far as a turkey that doesn't want to play.....his mind can be changed....sometimes.
A buddy of mine got a high dollar duck call. We actually laughed at him when he called with it. He did not sound like any duck I have ever heard. I have killed many many ducks in 2 states and Canada with him blowing that call. I think my call sounds more realistic than his, but he brings them to the gun as good or better than I do. Him and I do 99% of the calling when we kill over 300 birds in 11 days every year we hunt Canada. hard to argue with results.
I was about to get up and give one of the lease members a piece of my mind for calling like a wild man and moving in to the section of the lease I had my peg hung on while I had a gobbler on the limb right in front of me. He was calling like crazy and it sounded just plain bad. As I looked over my shoulder, it was a hen. She went to the bird after flying up in a tree over my head and raising a ruckus for over 10 minutes. Never saw the Tom.
I think the ferry operator in the outlaw josey wales pretty much had it right. A turkey hunter should have on their person their best and worst sounding calls and be able to play them with equal enthusiasm,lol.
Gosh, I cannot believe that there are finally honest posts on Turkey calls. Custom calls are nice but there is no special magic to them and some are real duds that should end up on ebay. As in real estate its all about location, location in turkey hunting. Throw in a smattering of woodsman ship and you are ready to go. The road to successful turkey hunting is really experience. Hunt often and hard any where you can even if its with a cheap Wal mart call and you will find success. IMO
WHAT A. :z-dizzy: TOPIC
S OOOOOOO. TRUE. ..
BETTER IS NOT ALWAYS GOOD
BAD IS SOMETIMES EVEN BETTER ...
Quote from: outdoors on July 14, 2017, 02:17:51 PM
WHAT A. :z-dizzy: TOPIC
S OOOOOOO. TRUE. ..
BETTER IS NOT ALWAYS GOOD
BAD IS SOMETIMES EVEN BETTER ...
LOL :smiley-patriotic-flagwaver-an
Good read and LOTS of good points made !!!!
I just LOVE me a good, custom-made boxcall !!! But because of the craftsmanship in woodworking involved..........not always necessarily because of the sound. I have quite a handful of mass-produced boxes that just run and sound freakin' AWESOME........ true boxcall afficianados would laugh.
My signature line is something I have been asserting for the last 30 years or so............
"The good Lord ain't made a gobbler I can't kill. I just gotta be there at the right time on the day he wants to die."
Sounds like a pretty brassy claim, maybe. But a wild turkey gobbler can be the most frustrating critter you have ever tried to hunt, OR............. he can be the dumbest thing you ever saw. And he can be BOTH on the same day........ Kinda ties into the calling him in with a "rusty gate hinge" thing mentioned before. I you are WHERE you need to be, WHEN you need to be there, it won't matter if you are running a $2000 original Neil Cost or if you are running something you got off clearance at Walmart for $6.
I will say one thing about custom calls to my knowledge they are mostly made in the USA. I have wondered how a chinaman tunes a call for a wild turkey.