Most threads I read here have people liking and using the Burris FFlll. What about similar red dot sights like the Vortex Venom? Is there a reason the FFlll is so popular relative to other sights? I'm working on having three turkey guns for next year and I may try different brands.
I'm ordering a Venom this week. But I only see very small differences between it and the FF3. I think they're about the only two in that quality/price bracket.
Burris has the forever warranty, even if you sell it's good for the next person. No warranty card ever needed. Has a good resell value. JMO
Personally, I have never shot with the Venom, but have good things about it.
I run Burris FastFires, and have been pleased with the II and the III.
I don't think you can go wrong with either sight.
Are the mounting options similar or are you restricted to Weaver/picatinny rails for the Venom???
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Quote from: Spurs Up on May 11, 2017, 03:31:14 PM
Are the mounting options similar or are you restricted to Weaver/picatinny rails for the Venom???
They are advertised to share the same footprint and mounting options.
Vortex - comes in 3 or 6 MOA
Burris - comes in 3 or 8 MOA
Burris has the sunshade ( not sure the Vortex does?)
Burris makes an optional metal protector for around $70 - but I'm pretty sure it also fits the Vortex as well
Both have fantastic warranties. Burris can usually be found for about $30 cheaper.
I got 2 Burris FF3 in the last month.. liking them so far.
I've got two guns for turkeys so I'm gonna get one of each. I'll report my findings after some experience with both.
The footprint is the same for both. The protector will work with both. The vortex has 10 light intensity settings I beleive. The burris has three. Personally I think the 6moa is a perfect dot size so I would lean to vortex.
I suggest checking which sight has the most adjustment. I ran out of adjustment on my FF3 and had to shim a bit, which is common on the burris. If the vortex has more adjustment that would be my choice.
I got a vortex venom this year for my 1187 supermag. I love it.
Now I'll say Vortex CS is the best I've ever dealt with. The first one I had the glass cracked near the bottom with only about 5 shots on it. I had a trip to Ohio planned to hunt. Was leaving Thursday. On Tuesday afternoon I go to range make sure everything is in order one shot it cracks. Right there I call ther customer service. Tell them what happened and that I leave for Ohio Thursday. No questions asked what do they do. Overnight me a brand new site and it's on my doorstep the next day by 3. Sighted her in and she's worked flawless ever since with 2 birds under its belt this season.
Quote from: BABS9 on May 13, 2017, 08:44:18 AM
I got a vortex venom this year for my 1187 supermag. I love it.
Now I'll say Vortex CS is the best I've ever dealt with. The first one I had the glass cracked near the bottom with only about 5 shots on it. I had a trip to Ohio planned to hunt. Was leaving Thursday. On Tuesday afternoon I go to range make sure everything is in order one shot it cracks. Right there I call ther customer service. Tell them what happened and that I leave for Ohio Thursday. No questions asked what do they do. Overnight me a brand new site and it's on my doorstep the next day by 3. Sighted her in and she's worked flawless ever since with 2 birds under its belt this season.
That's phenomenal CS right there!
Glad they got you squared away quickly!
Do these sights have locking screws that lock down the windage and elevation after sighting in?
Quote from: Tom Dooley on December 27, 2017, 12:56:34 PM
Do these sights have locking screws that lock down the windage and elevation after sighting in?
No...that feature is not available in the FF3. Cannot speak to the VV.
I guess this is not a problem since these get such great reveiws.
The fastfire 3 I had on a gun less than 12 hours when I took it off to return it. Replacing/installing a battery on the one I had was a nightmare.
I actually had to take a break, eat dinner and calm myself.
I use tools for a living as a commercial electrician and had good deterity. Say had cause of some medical issues that compromised me some. It's being righted though.
Anyway everything I read said to be careful with the battery installation. The door strips easy.
After I finally got it on the 2nd shot it fell off. Imagine if a bird was in front of you?? I'd never use the fastfire. Even if it was free.
Even installed the red dot itself was like a red comet with either a long tail or points running dif directions. Who needs it?
The vortex I can't comment on.
Buy anything but the fastfire I'd say you do better
Quote from: CrustyRusty on May 12, 2017, 07:56:42 AM
The footprint is the same for both. The protector will work with both. The vortex has 10 light intensity settings I beleive. The burris has three. Personally I think the 6moa is a perfect dot size so I would lean to vortex.
I suggest checking which sight has the most adjustment. I ran out of adjustment on my FF3 and had to shim a bit, which is common on the burris. If the vortex has more adjustment that would be my choice.
I don't shoot out very far for turkeys, but curious to hear any opinions about at what distance the 6MOA covers up too much to be really effective. I use the same gun for coyotes.
Thanks,
PEte
6moa covers about 3 inches at 50 yards...at 25 yards it will be about 1.5 inches. 8moa will cover about 4 at 50 yards. Some guys like that for ranging purposes on a turkeys head. I have the 8 on my Burris and would prefer a smaller dot because I don't want to obscure my target at any range I may shoot a turkey at. For turkey and predator, which is what I use my gun for as well, the 8 is fine especially at the typical range turkeys and predators are shot. I just would prefer to use a smaller dot and would think 6 is a good compromise.
CrustyRusty,
Thank you Sir, just the info i was after.
PEte
Quote from: CrustyRusty on December 31, 2017, 03:21:44 PM
6moa covers about 3 inches at 50 yards...at 25 yards it will be about 1.5 inches. 8moa will cover about 4 at 50 yards. Some guys like that for ranging purposes on a turkeys head. I have the 8 on my Burris and would prefer a smaller dot because I don't want to obscure my target at any range I may shoot a turkey at. For turkey and predator, which is what I use my gun for as well, the 8 is fine especially at the typical range turkeys and predators are shot. I just would prefer to use a smaller dot and would think 6 is a good compromise.
I was thinking that 6MOA would cover 6 inches at 100 which would be 12 inches at 50. Do I have that wrong?
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Hey dirtnap, it is definitely counter intuitive, but that is not the case.
6 moa would cover 12" at 200 yds, MOA is an every extending angle- the closer you are to the apex of the angle the shorter the coverage.