Please feel free to guess the instrument (Should be a dead giveaway since posting under trumpet) . I cannot say who this is because it's anonymous, but please enjoy this masterful calling.
https://soundcloud.com/user-183524322/my-movie-1
I personally don't care for the yelping...
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Rev. Zach Farmer
Pearls before swine
You may not, but Zach's style, cadence and tone have fooled so many Gobblers it boggles the mind..
To hear it in person is quite something.
Quote from: Terry on March 09, 2017, 05:56:51 PM
I personally don't care for the yelping...
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I'm not saying it's bad or that he's not talented. I'm just saying I prefer the average trumpet yelp. Which is what originally drew me to trumpets.
Thanks for posting this. I have been wanting to hear Zach play a trumpet for some time. It's definitely different and requires a ton of skill.
If I have my way, I'll eventually master both styles so that I can switch up my calling without switching calls.
VERY COOL!!!
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Good Luck.
Quote from: nitro on March 09, 2017, 07:12:54 PM
Good Luck.
No kidding...
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Wow. I've a heard a few soundfiles of him playing his woodwinds but this is the best one. If I'm not mistaken he plays in the far corner of his mouth and uses a specially shaped mouthpiece (?). Almost sounds like a diaphragm. Thank God for spell check.
I liked it because it was so different, and knowing it was a trumpet made it even more impressive to me.
In my opinion it's extremely hard to get this much rasp out of a trumpet yelper. I find it very impressive.
Quote from: Trumpetyelper on March 09, 2017, 07:48:00 PM
In my opinion it's extremely hard to get this much rasp out of a trumpet yelper. I find it very impressive.
Me too.
Wish I had 1/10 of that ability!! I'd let him call for me anytime.
that is some impressive rasp out of a trumpet, kee's also sound good
thanks for posting
That's crazy good rasp. Unreal.
Got me curious as to what is different about the mouthpiece he uses.
Found this image. Is it flattened out on the side where the V notch is cut?
(http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/zz319/chefrific/zf%20mp_zpsbop2vr92.jpg)
WOW.....he can call. Never heard that much rasp from a trumpet!!!
I double gobbled twice listening to that sound byte....
Bro Zach has it going on with Miss Windy for many years and LOTS of dead gobblers....
does anyone else make a mouth piece like that?
John Dangerfield make his mouthpieces very similar.
Gentlemen:
The beak doesn't make this call. As Zach himself would say it's the caller not the call. I can rasp on the Farmer, Buice, Cox or Bott. The beak helps, but it is not the "secret"
ok, whats the secret? Hand hold? Mike
In my case(every trumpet caller runs theirs differently), it is position of call on lip and air flow. Now I just said a mouthful. It took me a year of near daily work to find it.
Agreed. To quote Rev. Farmer - " It is years of putting in the due diligence"
Here's what the secret is -
1. Find a call you like.
2. Practice.
3. Practice.
4. Practice.
Amen!
Pure Turkey birdie,the best I've ever heard on a Trumpet!!!!Thanks for sharing this.
Terry, now that you have the Farmer call what can you tell us about your preferred style and the rasp from Rev. Farmer's woodwind?
Quote from: Ranger on November 14, 2022, 06:26:40 PM
Terry, now that you have the Farmer call what can you tell us about your preferred style and the rasp from Rev. Farmer's woodwind?
Well clearly my thoughts have changed since my original response. My ideas have evolved immensely since then and continue to do so. Read what Nitro posted above. Practice is the key, not the trumpet. The rasp from Mr. Farmer's woodwind comes from Zach, not his call. That being said, my Farmer call is very well built, is beautiful, and runs very good as well.
As far as my preferred style, I try my hardest to have a clean front and raspy backend with a little thump in it. I have dedicated much time since my original post to learn the trumpet, part of that has been listening to as many real hens as possible. My ears have evolved more than my skill, if that makes sense.
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I understand what you're saying. I'm really curious if you felt like the call and its style, specifically the mouthpiece really lend itself to create more rasp?
Quote from: Ranger on November 14, 2022, 07:49:39 PM
I understand what you're saying. I'm really curious if you felt like the call and its style, specifically the mouthpiece really lend itself to create more rasp?
Hard to say since I could get rasp before I owned it...
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I think it's possible that the notch exposes more of your lip to the airflow and helps with rasp. I don't think it will make up for a lack of skill.
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Really asking about the call and its design, nothing else asked or implied. Never ran a Farmer or a Dangerfield, and never ran a Hornstra so always trying to learn how other calls run and how guys compare them.
I struggled with Dangerfield due to the thickness of his mouthpieces. I can't get a good seal on a MP that thick.
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Very intriguing is the conversation around the clearer, "insert maker name here style" compared to the more raspy, slower draw of the "Farmer style". Very. And I've heard plenty of both of those hens in the woods.
I think it's referred to "Farmer style" cause he was the first to make it popular and maybe even the first to sound like that. Not sure about the other makers styles being referenced other than the clear style being called "Turpin".
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As far as my preferred style, I try my hardest to have a clean front and raspy backend with a little thump in it. I have dedicated much time since my original post to learn the trumpet, part of that has been listening to as many real hens as possible. My ears have evolved more than my skill, if that makes sense.
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[/quote]I prefer this style of calling also!!! All rasp with no thump in it just doesn't sound correct to my ear. I have one of your sound files Terry that sounds absolutely like a live hen and probably the best trumpet playing that I have ever heard.
His calling with a trumpet is simply awesome. Rasp is spot on and I don't have a clue how he does it. Really admire the man and his calling.
Quote from: Chris O on November 16, 2022, 11:06:00 PM
I prefer this style of calling also!!! All rasp with no thump in it just doesn't sound correct to my ear. I have one of your sound files Terry that sounds absolutely like a live hen and probably the best trumpet playing that I have ever heard.
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That's a really nice compliment Chris, thank you!
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I dont get on here very often but this topic comes up from time to time. I explain it like this. A trumpet is a lot like a carburetor. It must be built so that the performance matches that of the motor. Too big and performance suffers. Too small and it will not let the motor perform to its capabilities. The air flow must match what is being asked of it. A call has to be capable of making the sounds the user is looking for. Not all calls are built the same. If the builder does not play a call a certain way it may not be able to be played that way. Mr Zach has told me many times, a call must be played in the manner in which it was intended to be played. My calls can be played clear or raspy. so can other callmakers calls. The secret is not in the mouth piece or the beauty of the wood or finish. It is inside and there are no shortcuts. It takes a long time and hard work to achieve true turkey sounds. Turkeys are both clear and raspy soft and loud but there really is only one style. It is either exactly like a wild turkey or it is not. After being with him in the woods i can tell you Mr Zach is a wild turkey.
Mark, thanks for the response. I'm curious, on average how many minutes do you practice a day?
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I play year round. I am lucky i get to spend nearly everyday in the woods listening to turkeys. I record a lot of audio running calls in the woods up close and far away. If i can i practice every day but sometimes you get in a rut or pick up bad habits. I have to listen to turkeys to stayin tune. Sometimes tuning calls throws me off too i find myself adapting to the call instead of getting the call to where i want it.
It takes practice and alot of it. These calls are hard to master but the reward is worth it. I've ran a pile of different trumpets and each maker builds a call to their calling style or liking. All will get rasp some are made for it which makes it alot easier to achieve it and sound more realistic. Each person is different and will play different calls better than others but in the end it comes down to practice and learning to sound like a hen. Mark I've heard you practice alot and I know Terry does and it shows in the sounds yall produce. Thanks Mark for building an awesome call.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/U81j7MtDb5oELWQ76
Thanks for having the confidence to take em to the woods.
Quote from: Mark Prudhomme on November 17, 2022, 01:52:10 PM
I dont get on here very often but this topic comes up from time to time. I explain it like this. A trumpet is a lot like a carburetor. It must be built so that the performance matches that of the motor. Too big and performance suffers. Too small and it will not let the motor perform to its capabilities. The air flow must match what is being asked of it. A call has to be capable of making the sounds the user is looking for. Not all calls are built the same. If the builder does not play a call a certain way it may not be able to be played that way. Mr Zach has told me many times, a call must be played in the manner in which it was intended to be played. My calls can be played clear or raspy. so can other callmakers calls. The secret is not in the mouth piece or the beauty of the wood or finish. It is inside and there are no shortcuts. It takes a long time and hard work to achieve true turkey sounds. Turkeys are both clear and raspy soft and loud but there really is only one style. It is either exactly like a wild turkey or it is not. After being with him in the woods i can tell you Mr Zach is a wild turkey.
Mark,
Your carburetor analogy is spot on. As you can imagine, building wingbones and Jordan yelpers for decades has taught me a lot. Every call is a little different. I have no control over the natural internals, but have learned ways to keep the overall volume similar.
I am playing calls daily (as soon as they are glued up) as well as breaking out my "Prudhomme", and many other trumpets. I find that jumping around from different (but well made calls) really helps keep me honest in my air control.
Every call seems to "like" to be played just a wee bit different and air control is everything.
A gem of a thread, good info.
Quote from: tal on November 18, 2022, 10:20:47 AM
A gem of a thread, good info.
Agree, it takes a lot of time and talent to master a trumpet ... great information's
Quote from: Chris O on November 16, 2022, 11:06:00 PM
As far as my preferred style, I try my hardest to have a clean front and raspy backend with a little thump in it. I have dedicated much time since my original post to learn the trumpet, part of that has been listening to as many real hens as possible. My ears have evolved more than my skill, if that makes sense.
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I prefer this style of calling also!!! All rasp with no thump in it just doesn't sound correct to my ear. I have one of your sound files Terry that sounds absolutely like a live hen and probably the best trumpet playing that I have ever heard.
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I've talked to an old turkey man who has hunted with Rev. Zach. He said you can hear a distinct breaker in the yelp when you are at a little distance from Mr. Zach's calling.
I am guessing when you are talking about the thump or lack of thump you are referring to front end to back end breakover.
Yes, that is what I am referring to. I was specifically talking about me in reference to Ranger's question. That "thump" or roll over is something I try to incorporate into my calling.
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Terry, will you post a soundfile? What call maker made the call you prefer?
Wow This is Awesome :popcorn:
EZ your calls are spot on as well. I played them in Nashville last feb. For a wingbone they ran very similar to a trumpet. Bones are for sure hard to get consistent due to varying diameters. I think you have mastered that.