Longbeard 1 3/4 oz vs 1 7/8 oz. Anybody shot both, if so how did they compare? I shot the 1 3/4 oz of #5s and it patterned well in my SBE and my M1 with a .655 terror but I wouldn't mind upping the pellet count a little since I'm not using small shot.
I have. My SX2 prefers the 1 7/8oz at 1050fps over the 1 3/4oz at 1200fps. I hope this helps. Good luck.
I shot a few sizes n had varying results. I used an Ithaca 37 n the magnums liked the factory choke (.675)better, the standard 1-3/4 shot better w an Indian Creek (.665). Both loads w both chokes were very acceptable. My Mossberg shot them way too tight for my liking
Thanks gentlemen, I am gonna try the heavier load if I can find a box locally. It's been a few years since I have turkey hunted, the last load I used was winchester supremes 3.5 2 5. The longbeards are mind blowing for a lead shell.
No brainier there, 1 7/8oz for sure!
that shotgun review guy made a great post on here about the difference between those loads so ill try my best to paraphrase it. the 1 7/8oz loads have 1/8oz more shot in them than the 1 3/4oz so its a little heavier meaning you've got a 1050 fps load. the 1 3/4oz loads shoot 1200 fps obviously because they have a little less shot in them......however at 40 yards on a chronograph both loads are traveling the same speed. the 1 7/8oz loads generally have a slightly better pattern. which is true because I tried both these in #6 and I got a ever so slightly higher shot count with the 1 7/8oz loads and experienced a little more blow out with the 1 3/4oz loads. matter of fact if you read anything about the spacing issues with long beards...I never encountered this until I started shooting the 1 3/4oz loads. so its a slight trade off between the 2 loads. you may get a little more knockdown at close range.....but other than that there is really no reason to shoot the 1200fps load.
The faster a load is launched the faster it slows down. When I hunt for pigeons and crows my pet load is 1 1/4 oz of #6s at 1200 fps. The standard 1330 fps loads don't pattern as good. My gun shoots cheap Rios at 1200 better than rem express long range or win double x at 1330. Shotguns are funny animals.
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My 12ga Weatherby sa459 with black diamond choke shoots the longbeard #6 1 7/8 much better than the 1 3/4 load
my SBE II with an Indian creek .665 #5 didn't patter well with 1 7/8 it shoots 1 3/4 best. it doesn't care for two oz loads either. maybe a looser choke would help that but I'm ok with 1 3/4
I have $80.00 in gift certificates from Bass Pro Shops and am going to buy some on Monday. Going with the 1 7/8 load from all I have read. Just going to spend it all on 4 boxes of it and then I will be set for a while.
Quote from: Sealbilly on April 27, 2016, 05:59:21 PM
The faster a load is launched the faster it slows down.
I'm not sure that's exactly the case. If a pellet or bullet weighing the same is started out a a higher velocity, it will remain at a higher velocity than the same weight pellet or bullet fired at a slower velocity.
Quote from: Sealbilly on April 27, 2016, 05:59:21 PM
The faster a load is launched the faster it slows down.
Quote from: diyj98 on October 01, 2019, 08:34:50 PM
If a pellet or bullet weighing the same is started out a a higher velocity, it will remain at a higher velocity than the same weight pellet or bullet fired at a slower velocity.
Both of these statements are correct.
I have a friend who is shotgun garu. He claims that, generally a lower velocity round will pattern better than a higher one. He claims the increased velocity tends to blow patterns. I know this isn't always true but maybe a good rule of thumb...
Quote from: Rapscallion Vermilion on October 01, 2019, 09:25:25 PM
Quote from: Sealbilly on April 27, 2016, 05:59:21 PM
The faster a load is launched the faster it slows down.
Quote from: diyj98 on October 01, 2019, 08:34:50 PM
If a pellet or bullet weighing the same is started out a a higher velocity, it will remain at a higher velocity than the same weight pellet or bullet fired at a slower velocity.
Both of these statements are correct.
Indeed, both of these statements are correct.
Quote from: sixbird on October 01, 2019, 10:32:29 PM
I have a friend who is shotgun garu. He claims that, generally a lower velocity round will pattern better than a higher one. He claims the increased velocity tends to blow patterns. I know this isn't always true but maybe a good rule of thumb...
This is also generally true.
Can someone please explain the physics that cause a projectile of the same weight, say a #6 pellet, that starts at an initial higher velocity to slow down faster? Maybe I'm missing something, but that doesn't seem to be supported by any science.
I am not a physicist, but being a retired airline pilot, know a thing or two about drag and objects moving through the air, so I hope this explanation makes sense to you. Drag affects any object moving through the atmosphere - airplanes, cars, as well as shotgun pellets. The moving object has to push the molecules of air out of its way, which causes drag. The faster the object, the greater the drag. That is the main reason that it takes more fuel to fly an airplane or drive your car at a higher speed - that extra fuel is required to overcome the increased drag.
So a shotgun pellet launched at a higher velocity has to push more molecules of air out of its way in a given interval of time than one launched at a slower velocity. Once that pellet leaves the muzzle of your gun, no more energy is being added to it to overcome that drag; it obviously can't burn more fuel like an airplane or a car, so it is slowing down as soon as it leaves the muzzle. And it is slowing down at a faster rate than the pellet that is started slower due to the increased drag, but only as long as its velocity is greater than the pellet that was started slower. Once the faster pellet has slowed to the same velocity as the slower pellet, they will then decelerate at the same rate. So eventually at some distance, the faster pellet which is experiencing more drag, will have slowed to the same velocity as the pellet that was started slower. From then on, the two will experience equal drag and will decelerate at the same rate.
At effective shotgun ranges, the faster pellet is always going to have a velocity and energy advantage over the pellet that is started slower. In your example of a #6 pellet, if one is launched at 1200 fps and another at 1050 fps, they would have to travel approximately 375 yards for their velocities to be equal. After that distance they will decelerate at the same rate, which is really irrelevant to our discussion. But what is relevant is that at 40 yards, the 150 fps advantage of the faster pellet has decreased to only 49 fps (662 vs 613) because the faster pellet experienced greater drag over that 40 yd distance than the pellet that was started slower.
Nice explanation in laypersons language. Thanks bandedspur.
Quote from: sixbird on October 01, 2019, 10:32:29 PM
I have a friend who is shotgun garu. He claims that, generally a lower velocity round will pattern better than a higher one. He claims the increased velocity tends to blow patterns. I know this isn't always true but maybe a good rule of thumb...
That part is normally true. We used to port barrels in shooting match guns for tighter patterns. Penetration was certainly lost, but the slower shot pattern normally stayed together better. Penetration wasn't a concern for shotguns used only for match purposes.
Quote from: BandedSpur on January 11, 2020, 08:42:04 AM
I am not a physicist, but being a retired airline pilot, know a thing or two about drag and objects moving through the air, so I hope this explanation makes sense to you. Drag affects any object moving through the atmosphere - airplanes, cars, as well as shotgun pellets. The moving object has to push the molecules of air out of its way, which causes drag. The faster the object, the greater the drag. That is the main reason that it takes more fuel to fly an airplane or drive your car at a higher speed - that extra fuel is required to overcome the increased drag.
So a shotgun pellet launched at a higher velocity has to push more molecules of air out of its way in a given interval of time than one launched at a slower velocity. Once that pellet leaves the muzzle of your gun, no more energy is being added to it to overcome that drag; it obviously can't burn more fuel like an airplane or a car, so it is slowing down as soon as it leaves the muzzle. And it is slowing down at a faster rate than the pellet that is started slower due to the increased drag, but only as long as its velocity is greater than the pellet that was started slower. Once the faster pellet has slowed to the same velocity as the slower pellet, they will then decelerate at the same rate. So eventually at some distance, the faster pellet which is experiencing more drag, will have slowed to the same velocity as the pellet that was started slower. From then on, the two will experience equal drag and will decelerate at the same rate.
At effective shotgun ranges, the faster pellet is always going to have a velocity and energy advantage over the pellet that is started slower. In your example of a #6 pellet, if one is launched at 1200 fps and another at 1050 fps, they would have to travel approximately 375 yards for their velocities to be equal. After that distance they will decelerate at the same rate, which is really irrelevant to our discussion. But what is relevant is that at 40 yards, the 150 fps advantage of the faster pellet has decreased to only 49 fps (662 vs 613) because the faster pellet experienced greater drag over that 40 yd distance than the pellet that was started slower.
I can go along with most of that except I still don't believe that the pellets would ever be going the same velocity at 40 yards or any other distance except at rest.
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My shots offhand 20 and 30m, 835 Carlson longbeard choke, 3" 1 3/4 rounds. POI is off, but the 30 looked a little sparse where it did hit to me, please correct me if I'm mistaken, would it be worth trying the 1 7/8? Sorry if the questions are novice, pretty new to turkey and shotgun game.
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My shots offhand 20 and 30m, 835 Carlson longbeard choke, 3" 1 3/4 rounds. POI is off, but the 30 looked a little sparse where it did hit to me, please correct me if I'm mistaken, would it be worth trying the 1 7/8? Sorry if the questions are novice, pretty new to turkey and shotgun game.
First thing I would recommend is getting a good butt pad or if you have access to a bench. You'll get steady and learn exactly where your shotgun is shooting with a given load.
Your 30 is looking pretty thin if you want to shoot to 40yd. You definitely could try the 1 7/8 oz or just a different shot size. My gun was shooting great with 1 3/4 oz 5 shot long beards, but after getting a new box the patterns fell apart.... I'm not sure what was up with it but at 40yds I just had a hole in the paper and about half the hits I was getting before. I tried some 1 7/8 oz and the 40yd was amazing but it's so tight at even 30yds I don't know if I'll use it.
Double x 1 3/4 5 shot is given me a pretty decent patter out to 40 in a Carlson.660 ported. I'll probably use that for my first hunt of the year.
Hope you find something you like.
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My shots offhand 20 and 30m, 835 Carlson longbeard choke, 3" 1 3/4 rounds. POI is off, but the 30 looked a little sparse where it did hit to me, please correct me if I'm mistaken, would it be worth trying the 1 7/8? Sorry if the questions are novice, pretty new to turkey and shotgun game.
First thing I would recommend is getting a good butt pad or if you have access to a bench. You'll get steady and learn exactly where your shotgun is shooting with a given load.
Your 30 is looking pretty thin if you want to shoot to 40yd. You definitely could try the 1 7/8 oz or just a different shot size. My gun was shooting great with 1 3/4 oz 5 shot long beards, but after getting a new box the patterns fell apart.... I'm not sure what was up with it but at 40yds I just had a hole in the paper and about half the hits I was getting before. I tried some 1 7/8 oz and the 40yd was amazing but it's so tight at even 30yds I don't know if I'll use it.
Double x 1 3/4 5 shot is given me a pretty decent patter out to 40 in a Carlson.660 ported. I'll probably use that for my first hunt of the year.
Hope you find something you like.
Thanks, the local academy sports actually has the xx on sale for 14 a box so I may give that a go as well as trying some 1 7/8 number 5 or some number 6, I'll be on a bench this weekend. This was a quick test run when I had a spare minute.
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My shots offhand 20 and 30m, 835 Carlson longbeard choke, 3" 1 3/4 rounds. POI is off, but the 30 looked a little sparse where it did hit to me, please correct me if I'm mistaken, would it be worth trying the 1 7/8? Sorry if the questions are novice, pretty new to turkey and shotgun game.
First thing I would recommend is getting a good butt pad or if you have access to a bench. You'll get steady and learn exactly where your shotgun is shooting with a given load.
Your 30 is looking pretty thin if you want to shoot to 40yd. You definitely could try the 1 7/8 oz or just a different shot size. My gun was shooting great with 1 3/4 oz 5 shot long beards, but after getting a new box the patterns fell apart.... I'm not sure what was up with it but at 40yds I just had a hole in the paper and about half the hits I was getting before. I tried some 1 7/8 oz and the 40yd was amazing but it's so tight at even 30yds I don't know if I'll use it.
Double x 1 3/4 5 shot is given me a pretty decent patter out to 40 in a Carlson.660 ported. I'll probably use that for my first hunt of the year.
Hope you find something you like.
Thanks, the local academy sports actually has the xx on sale for 14 a box so I may give that a go as well as trying some 1 7/8 number 5 or some number 6, I'll be on a bench this weekend. This was a quick test run when I had a spare minute.
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Sounds like a good plan. I would think one of those would get you something good to 40yd.
Have a good one.