Just would like to ask if anyone that has both, would post up pics looking through the site with a decoy at 40 yds. It would really help those of us debating.
Thanks!
Draw a 3.2" circle on paper. Draw a 1.2" circle on paper. Cut out disks. Place decoy at 40 yards. Tape one on the head. Back off 40 yards and look. Then do the other. That's what each dot will look like through each ff.
At 20 yards, it would be 1.6" and .6". Getting a camera to focus at the red dot and the decoy at 40 yards would not be easy. Depth of field range in any camera that I have wouldn't do it. From eyeball to red dot is very short. You would need a camera that would focus at 6-8" and 40 yards. The paper cut out technique accomplishes the same.
Ok, I was curious to see what it would look like through the camera lens so here you go. The shadow at the bottom is the out of focus sight and receiver, it made the decoy a bit blurry and exaggerated the halo around the bright center of the dot a bit, but it's actually pretty close to what you see when you look through the sight (of course this is "zoomed in" a bit compared to how a turkey looks at 40 yards to my eyes).
DSD Jake at 40 yards, 3 MOA dot FastFire3
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/alloutdoors/_Q7Q7661_zpscc7904eb.jpg)
its all opinion. i have the 3 because i like to aim small and i don't like the dot to take over the target, i like it to just sick out on the target just like a bead would.
some love the 8 so its just what you like to look at.
That's actually very helpful to see and the paper cutouts a great idea.
I wish they made a 1 moa but I'm probably in the minority :D
Quote from: alloutdoors on February 03, 2014, 04:04:40 PM
Ok, I was curious to see what it would look like through the camera lens so here you go.
Thanks for taking the time to do that. Definitely getting the 3moa
I sent a PM to Burris Optics Guy to ask him to have his graphics department work up a photo comparision of what the 8 vs. 3 moa's would look like superimposed on a turkey head/neck regions at 40 yards and put it in the "sticky" at the top of this subforum. While I understand the logic of "aim small, miss small", I have not found the 8 moa to be a problem in the field. I have had 1, 3, 6.5 and 8 moa red dots on Aimpoints, Trijicon, Docter and FF systems. All are fine for turkeys. There is an advantage on the 8 moa over the smaller dots. If the 8 moa completely obscures a mature gobblers head and wattles this indicates he is outside of the 40 yard range. A 3.2" disk shouldn't completely obscure a gobbler's head. If it fits inside the head, he is well within range.
The ranging thing works in theory, but you are assuming in that case that the dot is true to spec. I've looked through a few of the sights and there is definitely some variation, particularly with the amount of flare around the dot. I've seen some where there was almost no flare and you had an almost perfect dot, others show a noticeable star burst pattern around the dot.
Quote from: alloutdoors on February 04, 2014, 10:10:16 AM
. I've seen some where there was almost no flare and you had an almost perfect dot, others show a noticeable star burst pattern around the dot.
I would send it back to whoever made the red dot if there was a noticeable star burst pattern. That's unacceptable to me and hasn't been a problem with my Aimpoint, Trijicon, Docter or FF series.
I went with the 8.
The 4 on my FF II was small enough.
I would buy the 8 again in a heartbeat...
mudhen
3 vs. 8 moa is a Ford vs. Chevy argument. ;)
For me, the 8 MOA was perfect! At 40 yards, I had no problem picking up the target, and when I shot my gobbler this spring at 25 yards, I just put the dot on his neck, and dead bird!
I think it comes down to personal preference. I looked through the sight with the 3 MOA, and just found it too small for my liking. I was very worried it would wash out in the later part of the day, and I would have a hard time picking it up. I didn't find the 8 MOA too big at all.
They need to make a green dot sight.
For anyone still trying to decide between the 3 moa or 8 moa, I strongly suggest trying to find a place where you can physically see both (I realize that might be hard to do).......I did this and was surprised at the actual appearance of each dot size when mounted on my shotgun.
Which did you like better, and why?
3 For me the 8 covers up the whole head at 40 . JMO
I downloaded some actual size targets and got a few measurements. Then I took some pictures I found and made some true sized dots for 40 yards based on head sizes. I'm not saying this is perfect but it should give you a pretty good idea of the difference is sizes. Is this what we are looking for?
(http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/ac35/BurrisOptics/Dotcomparison1.jpg) (http://s883.photobucket.com/user/BurrisOptics/media/Dotcomparison1.jpg.html)
(http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/ac35/BurrisOptics/Dotcomparison2.jpg) (http://s883.photobucket.com/user/BurrisOptics/media/Dotcomparison2.jpg.html)
(http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/ac35/BurrisOptics/Dotcomparison3.jpg) (http://s883.photobucket.com/user/BurrisOptics/media/Dotcomparison3.jpg.html)
That's outstanding . Nice to get that visual you should put that on your website.
Great Pics! I have a 4 MOA dot on my Aimpoint and the 8 MOA on a FFIII. I have no issues with either. At first I was afraid the 8 MOA would be too large but for shotgun applications it works great.
Quote from: beagler on February 25, 2014, 07:24:40 PM
Great Pics! I have a 4 MOA dot on my Aimpoint and the 8 MOA on a FFIII. I have no issues with either. At first I was afraid the 8 MOA would be too large but for shotgun applications it works great.
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Well I tried the Burris Fastfire III 8 MOA today on a Mossberg 535. I really liked the sight & the way it set down lower on the receiver so you don't need a cheek riser. It's a quality sight for sure. But to me the 8 MOA is just too big for my preference. If I had gotten the 3 MOA I might have kept it & used it but would not have been completely satisfied with it. I would buy another if they ever make one with a 5 MOA. That's what I believe to me would be about perfect. Everyone likes different things. Anyway I ordered me a Beartooth cheek riser for the 535 & put the Tru-Glo Tru Brite back on it.
Quote from: grayfox on February 25, 2014, 08:19:05 PM
I would buy another if they ever make one with a 5 MOA. That's what I believe to me would be about perfect.
I agree with this idea.
While my FF III 8 dot looks nothing like the photos above, it is plenty big enough.
The 4 dot on my FF II is good enough, but not that great, and no way would I go smaller.
Of course, the FF III 3 dot might be better than the 4 dot on the FF II.
Is everyone using all the settings on the FF III? I have found one down from the brightest to work fine.
But don't cover the head on birds, so the 3 or 8 would have been fine...
mudhen
I went with the 8 moa. At 40 yards the dot is about the size of a post-it. At 20 yards the dot looks to be 1.5" in diameter. I can't imagine wanting a dot smaller than that but to each his own.
Burris man is those 3 MOA and 8 MOA Dots?