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Turkey Guns & Shooting => Turkey Gun Sights & Optics => Topic started by: pa b0whunt3r on February 27, 2012, 01:55:47 PM
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First off, as already posted the 8 MOA is available for sale at Midwayusa as of today. The 3 MOA is being released 3/10/12 according to Midwayusa website. What size is everyone planning to buy? Why? What are your primary uses for this sight going to be?
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I was wondering the exact same thing! What size and WHY? Thanks for your time.
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3 moa for me
If you have modified and patterned your gun to achieve highly concentrated 10" patterns, there is the potential that you may never be able to center the core of your pattern with an 8 moa version.
In the event that the core of your pattern was at the edge of the 8 moa, any adjustment laterally would still render you off target.
I actually talked with Burris today and they indicated the moa ratings were @ 100 yards.
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Anyone else?
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3 moa for me
If you have modified and patterned your gun to achieve highly concentrated 10" patterns, there is the potential that you may never be able to center the core of your pattern with an 8 moa version.
In the event that the core of your pattern was at the edge of the 8 moa, any adjustment laterally would still render you off target.
I actually talked with Burris today and they indicated the moa ratings were @ 100 yards.
One scale division on either adjustment screw corresponds to 1 minute of angle (MOA), or approximately 1 inch at 100 yards. For other distances the value is proportional. For example: 1/2 inch at 50 yards and 0.1 inch at 10 yards
Perhaps the Burris guys could get on here to describe it better
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To each his own, but I plan to buy one of the 8 moa. At 50 yards, the 8 moa dot will cover 4". Moving the sight adjustment 1 click will move the center of the pattern .5". In order to have a problem with centering your pattern on the dot, your pattern at 50 yards would have to be so tight that moving it 1/2" would be too much. I can't see that being an issue with any shotgun.
I'd much rather have the larger dot to be able to see it clearly under any conditions. At 25 yds, the dot will cover 2"; that seems perfect to me for a turkey gun. Apparently, the Burris people thought the same thing and brought the 8 moa to the market first.
If you want to put the sight on a handgun, then the 3 moa might be a better choice for precision shooting. However, I've got a Mueller sight on my bow and used the 8 moa dot on it. Being able to see the dot clearly was more important to me than anything else.
Me 2. I am ordering the 8 MOA.
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I ordered the 8 MOA myself. I wanted the 3 MOA but I'll see what this looks like. Midway is great so I can send it back if I need to.
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Think I'll wait for the 3 moa
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After playing with my 8MOA outdoors in varying light condition, I really like it and think I'll prefer it over the 3MOA. I'm very happy and it seems like the perfect size for a shotgun. I'm sticking with the 8MOA and I really wanted the 3MOA when they first were introduced.
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I guess Im the odd man out. I have the fastfire II with 4 moa dot and thats as big as I want. I would prefer a 1 moa dot. Shoot .010 pins on my bow but would love to have a .005 pin lol. Im anal about precision so i like the smallest pin/dot/reticle that I can possibly get
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8 MOA dot for me. In the heat of battle picking up that 3 MOA dot might be hard. JMO.
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I have a 4 MOA dots on my Aimpoint scopes and really like that size. For me an 8 MOA is simply too large.
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I have an h1 aimpoint also and its plenty big, if its bright enough 3 should do the job nicely
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I am with turkey slayer on this one. I currently have a ff2 with 4 moa dot and wouldn't want it any bigger. I will wait on the 3moa.
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Since some of you have had a chance to use the new FF III, any more thoughts on the size of the 8 MOA?
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I have the 8 and like it. Was a little concerned at first but it seems perfect for turkeys. At 20 yds I can pick a waddle and aim on it and at 40yds I just line up the dot with his head.
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The 3 MOA dot on my Mueller is small and hard to pick up in the bright mornings. I have never had a problem with the 8 MOA covering too much of the turkey.
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Thanks, guys.
Can anyone post a few photos of the 8 or even the 3 MOA dots on the FF III. I want to order one but I'm having a difficult time choosing without seeing either - none in the shops close to me.
Cheers.
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I ordered a 8moa yesterday hope I like it should have it tomorrow only place I could find one was at Midways. I really thought I wanted a 3 moa but didn't have the patience to wait. Will let y'all know what I think when it arrives.
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I shot 2 birds this year using both the FF2 w/ 4moa dot and with the new FF3 w/ 8 moa dot. Both of them worked very well as I expected. One thing I noticed about the 8 moa was that if you stretch the distance a bit you can quickly tell. The dot size is very noticeable at the longer distances. Both birds were at my longest comfortable shooting distance but with the 8 I knew it immediately. I don't know if that's beneficial to most people but I kind of liked it. I had no problems putting an accurate shot on either bird. Just something to think about.
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I shot 2 birds this year using both the FF2 w/ 4moa dot and with the new FF3 w/ 8 moa dot. Both of them worked very well as I expected. One thing I noticed about the 8 moa was that if you stretch the distance a bit you can quickly tell. The dot size is very noticeable at the longer distances. Both birds were at my longest comfortable shooting distance but with the 8 I knew it immediately. I don't know if that's beneficial to most people but I kind of liked it. I had no problems putting an accurate shot on either bird. Just something to think about.
Interesting and a perspective I've never even thought about. So, if I'm understanding you correctly, based off the size of the dot in relation to the turkeys head/neck you could more accurately judge his distance?
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Shot my first bird using the FF III with 8 moa dot yesterday morning at 25 yds. It worked great for me never used a dot type sight before I am hooked now I see no problem with the larger dot
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I love my FF2 with the 4moa. This year i shot a Bird with my new FF3 8moa, and i have to say its now my favorite. Lee :icon_thumright:
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I shot 2 birds this year using both the FF2 w/ 4moa dot and with the new FF3 w/ 8 moa dot. Both of them worked very well as I expected. One thing I noticed about the 8 moa was that if you stretch the distance a bit you can quickly tell. The dot size is very noticeable at the longer distances. Both birds were at my longest comfortable shooting distance but with the 8 I knew it immediately. I don't know if that's beneficial to most people but I kind of liked it. I had no problems putting an accurate shot on either bird. Just something to think about.
Interesting and a perspective I've never even thought about. So, if I'm understanding you correctly, based off the size of the dot in relation to the turkeys head/neck you could more accurately judge his distance?
Yes, sir. I knew right away that if he got much further away I was SOL. The dot size really made that obvious. With that said, I had no problem putting it right where I wanted it and now he's in the freezer.
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I went with the 8, and I really like it!
I just couldn't see going smaller than the 4 on my FF II.
Come on 2013.....
mudhen
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. Don't like the idea of obscuring the entire head on a close shot. Not saying the 8 won't do fine; it's just not my cup of tea.
Spur, turn on your ff, pick a target in your house close up. Now double the distance and resight the same target. You'll see that the dot remains the same size, but the target shrinks the farther you are away. It's the far shot that the dot may obscure some of the head, not the close shot. I've shot a 6.5 MOA Trijicon for at least 7-8 years and there's not much difference between 6.5 and 8. An 8 MOA on shotgun ranges is no problem. If I were shooting a rifle at 150-200 yards with an 8 MOA dot it would be.
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Bought a FF III a couple of weeks ago with the 3 MOA dot. Haven't used it on a turkey yet, but I am loving it at the range. No problems seeing the dot in any light conditions, including looking into the morning sun. Can't see any good reason to go with the 8. Don't like the idea of obscuring the entire head on a close shot. Not saying the 8 won't do fine; it's just not my cup of tea.
Since I don't aim at the head, and have never liked the cover method, the 8 works better for me. Even my 4 bounces around a little bit, and a 3 would have been even smaller.
In the field, the 8 doesn't cover the head of any of my targets, so I'm not worried about it in the least.
For me, the base of the neck aim is perfect for the 8....
mudhen
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Since I don't aim at the head, and have never liked the cover method, the 8 works better for me. Even my 4 bounces around a little bit, and a 3 would have been even smaller.
In the field, the 8 doesn't cover the head of any of my targets, so I'm not worried about it in the least.
Burris Optics raised a good point which was clarified by Spuriosity. The 8 MOA has a semi-range finder capacity if one takes into consideration how much of a turkey's neck and head is approximately 4" and the fact that 8 moa at 50 yards covers 4". If the 8 MOA dot easily fits inside the head, the turkey is probably in range. If the dot covers 4" of the head and neck, he is approximately 50 yards away. (of course, not all Tom's have the same size head.) I had considered buying a smaller MOA than my current 6.5 MOA Trijicon, but this discussion has firmed my decision on buying a larger MOA than 3 or 4 for my new project gun.
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I've hunted with a Nikon red dot VSD (variable size dot) scope on both 12 and 10 gauge shotguns for about 8 years. The red dot can be adjusted for both size (1,4,6,10 MOA) and intensity or brightness. I usually start out w/ the scope set at 1 MOA then as it becomes lighter and the small dot is harder to see move up to the 4 MOA. I've hunted under extremely bright conditions, but have never needed to go to either the 6 or 10 MOA. I will be really interested in hearing the actual field assessment of the larger 8 MOA vs the 3 MOA, especially from folks who have hunted with both.
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I want to bring this back to the top and get more opinions on the 3 MOA vs the 8 MOA for the FastFire III. If you haven't already stated your opinion, please do so so I can make an educated decision on which path I take. Thanks!
Dan
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Thanks for the info guys. I think I'm going with the 8.
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It would be cool if Burris could show pix on their website through the sight with the 3 vs 8 MOA dot at a turkey decoy at 40 yds to help us with the decision.
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It would be cool if Burris could show pix on their website through the sight with the 3 vs 8 MOA dot at a turkey decoy at 40 yds to help us with the decision.
Since this is an unlimited eye relief device and some guys mount it closer or further from the eye, the area of the target it covers will vary somewhat. But at what ever distance from the eye Burris used to gauge the dot size, 8 minute of angle will cover 8 inches of target at 100 yards and 4 inches of target at 50 yards. The 3 minute of angle dot will cover 3 inches of target at 100 yards and 1.5 inches of target at 50 yards.
So at 40 yards, the 8 moa dot is going to cover 3.2 inches of target and the 3 moa dot is going to cover 1.2 inches. This is approximate as I said depending on the distance of the eye to the sight. But basically the 8 moa is going to cover the head and the 3 moa only part of the head at 40 yards.
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So, has there been any difference of opinion since this thread started 2+ years ago??? :OGturkeyhead:
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Depending on how tight your shotgun shoots and or eye sight will let you know which is best per each individual. The 3 moa dot is for more precise shot. The 8 moa dot will be much quicker to get on target but will not be as precise as the 3 moa past 25 yards.
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So for someone with less than perfect eyesight, would you recommend the 3MOA or the 8 MOA???
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I have the 3min dot FF3 and after using it for awhile i think i would have rather gotten the 8min dot for a turkey gun. It would have been plenty precise enough for putting a pattern on a turkeys noggin plus a lot easier to pick up quicker in bright sunlight. Still a great sight though, but i honestly like my bushnell trs 25 just as much at half the price.
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I found the 8 MOA dot better suited to me over the 3 MOA.
I just think that it is easier to pick up on a bright day, and when you need to pick the dot up quickly, the 8 is easier, and I don't think it handicaps you at all.
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I've got a FFII with 8 m.o.a. on a speed bead base on my SBE II & love it. If I were shooting a single projectile, a wider dot might be an issue, but considering that the shot pattern also expands with distance, I don't see where the width of the dot matters that much. Put it where you want to hit and let it roll.
I pattern the gun at the range at 50 yards maximum and use a 3 inch orange dot in the center of a 10 inch circle on a 30" square sheet of brown kraft paper. When the dot in the scope covers the dot on the target, she's centered & will eat the target up
For 16 years, I used to turkey hunt with a Stevens single shot with a lone bead at the end of the barrel. That bead was big enough to obscure a gobbler's head beyond 30 yards, but I'd just hold the bead under his chin & let it roll. I never missed or lost a single with that gun either. This Fast Fire allows a much better sight picture. I can also use the gun's beads if the battery ever fails.
Jim