Not a call I use a lot in woods, just when the situation feels right, but I like to practice it as it is a good air control exercise like Keeing. Anyway, let me know what you think and what I can improve. Thanks!
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I think it sounds good ...
Well, you caught me in one of those moods where I'm feeling like being brutaly honest. It will call turkeys, but it needs some work. I wouldn't be too anxious to use it on a setup. Is it good enough to call a gobbler, sure, but not as realistic as I like. I like that hollow rasp with sharp accents in a cackle. I don't think you'll ever get that from a trumpet amd thus I don't own one. Like I said, just sharing a brutaly honest opinion. It's just an opinion and most opinions have faults, so take it for what value you wish.
Quote from: eggshell on January 20, 2023, 06:49:53 PM
Well, you caught me in one of those moods where I'm feeling like being brutaly honest. It will call turkeys, but it needs some work. I wouldn't be too anxious to use it on a setup. Is it good enough to call a gobbler, sure, but not as realistic as I like. I like that hollow rasp with sharp accents in a cackle. I don't think you'll ever get that from a trumpet amd thus I don't own one. Like I said, just sharing a brutaly honest opinion. It's just an opinion and most opinions have faults, so take it for what value you wish.
Your opinion does not bother me in the least. I will go through some real turkey cackles and see if I can pick up what you are describing cause it does not come to my mind thinking about it.
I'll agree with Eggshell Needs to be deeper more saxophone like. I'm not a trumpet player but I'd imagine it takes quite a bit of practice to get the vibration needed to get that kind of tone.
Quote from: Paulmyr on January 20, 2023, 08:45:47 PM
I'll agree with Greg. Needs to be deeper more saxophone like. I'm not a trumpet player but I'd imagine it takes quite a bit of practice to get the vibration needed to get that kind of tone.
Appreciate it. I may have picked up on that, or it may be in my head, but I will try a sound file in the woods tomorrow. I live in wide open and getting a bad echo.
I heard a fly down cackle a couple weeks ago while deer hunting, I didn't hear any rasp in the clucks/cutts
I think yours sounded very good in the sharpness of clucks, cadence and variance in the rise and fall of tone
I have heard maybe a little more rise in pitch in some turkeys, but just like with yelps all turkeys don't sound alike, I would hunt it
All "good" callers (the instrument) usually have a call that they excel in producing. The trumpet is not what I would choose for cackling. It does a great job in yelping, clucking and kee keeing and I would not like to be without mine. I have much more confidence with a tube caller or a mouth caller for cackling. Don't ask more from a caller than it is easily able to give you. A box caller, in the right hands (not mine) can also produce a presentable cackle.
Sounds good Don. Fellas different nuances happen with different birds. We all know that. Don likes his trumpets and I know I couldn't do what he's doing with one.
I guess I may be mixing up my terminology and thought processes. I wasn't thinking of what a bird does when it flies down. I guess what I was looking for would be a yelp run and cut. Something hens do once on the ground. I used to use a fly down cackle a lot, but mostly use it as a locator now and an early morning convincer. The other time hens cackle after fly down is when spooked into flight. I have come to believe it is an over used call. A cut is much better to me. That is why I love fall hunting, you hear so much more of the turkey's daily dialogue and I rarely hear them cackle after fly down. I have literally listened to thousands of flock conversations. A trumpet can duplicate many of those, but I have not heard a convincing cackle from a trumpet.
Ok, now I'm just being a contrary old fart.....please forgive me.
I agree with Crow, sounded quite huntable to me Don. Trumpets can make great cackles/cutts, but I will say that the tuning of the trumpet, and skill of the hunter, needs to be "right" to be able to get the tone/pitch one is looking for. I also think that the trumpet Don is using sounds like it has what is needed to get whatever degree of cackle/cutting he wants. Most of the cackle/cutting I have heard has more clear/sharp tones than anything. Hunting the public area I do, trumpet cutts/cackles get more responses than most for me.
If you ran a flapper call simultaneously with that cackle everything in the woods would think it was a hen. If I was going to critique anything at all it might be those very last one or two hesitated notes at the tail end. I've heard that on occasion but usually after that super fast crescendo of notes and that quick tapering off, once they're on the ground they're quiet for a bit. That or the next hen busts off the limb and cackles.
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It sounds really good, agree with Chester, leave off the last four notes.
There are a couple different cackles I'm that I'm aware of. You got a fly down cackle, fly downs I hear are descending. They can get quicker, more higher pitched but for the most part I a hear a slower more nasally sound that intensifies as the notes descend.
You got the fly up, the reverse of fly down as the notes ascend instead of descend.
There's a wing stretch cackle which are generally short 2, 3 note cackles. Basically when a turkey stretches and its wings and gives a couple flaps it has a tendency it to do this short cackle. This cackle will extend to a take off cackle. A version of the stretch cackle.
All these cackles for the most part when I hear them are in the roll over range of a yelp. I will hear higher pitched cackle once while but for the most part they stay consistent.
The cackles above are all associated with wing movement.
Then there's the ground cackle. I my opinion this one I think gets confused and often runs into cutting. When a cutt stands alone as 5, 6 note call I'd consider that a cackle. Its a call that has the ascending order of a flydown. It's sharp crisp popping cackle not to be confuse with cutting which to me is more drawn out. a series of cutts by a turkey may last for 5 to 10 seconds or over the matter of minutes. The cadence of cutting tends to be somewhat irregular and often the pitch raises and lowers randomly between notes.
The last call I'll mention is a not cackle butt putting. Putting would have a consistent cadence. It can be higher or lower but the pitch will not change. This call is usually heard during periods of aggravation or insecurity.. I mention this call for clarification compared to cutting.
This of course is all my opinion.
Quote from: davisd9 on January 20, 2023, 09:02:06 PM
Quote from: Paulmyr on January 20, 2023, 08:45:47 PM
I'll agree with Greg. Needs to be deeper more saxophone like. I'm not a trumpet player but I'd imagine it takes quite a bit of practice to get the vibration needed to get that kind of tone.
Appreciate it. I may have picked up on that, or it may be in my head, but I will try a sound file in the woods tomorrow. I live in wide open and getting a bad echo.
Sorry about that I meant to say I agree with Eggshell.
I have a reprint copy of a book published I think in 1869 "44 Years In the Life Of a Hunter" by Meshack Browning
Browning was a subsistence/market hunter in western Md. from the late 1700's to past the mid 1800's.
He mentions one time hunting spring bear with a friend they heard a gobbler and the friend wanted to shoot it. Meshack mentions that he himself imitated the cackle of a hen and called in the gobbler.
I found it interesting he used the word cackle that long ago.
I think you'll kill a lot of turkeys with that call.