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Just curious, why do you think there is so much hate between us hunters?

My thoughts on the subject. Alot of people say its jealousy. To me its not, its more of incompatible personalities. I'm primarily talking about some of the social media "stars". Even though in real life they are probably really good people, social media kind makes them the center of attention type people. All the reels, post, notifications I get on my phone it like hey here I am, look at me and that gets very old to me very quickly. Even though I like their stuff/post, I've had to stop following most of them b/c its just kinda the same stuff every day. Its kinda like when a new song comes out, and the radio plays it over and over. You like it for a week and then after that you don't want hear it again.

Second, real hunters in the woods. I hunt pretty much all public land. Most guys I've meet at the gate are nice, some don't have a clue, but that's fine. It always irks me when I have an area i plan to hunt and show up to the gate and see someone already there.. Ive learned to always have back up plans, treat people how I want to be treated and go to plan b if I get bet to the gate. But when I'm there first and someone shows up and they don't give you your space, I am cordial, but I really want to tell them to eff off. And if I'm not already in the woods at this time, I hope in my truck and go to plan b.

Lastly, I know this isn't just a turkey hunting issue, or just a hunter issue. You don't have to look far to see the hate amongst fisherman, athletes, politicians, he'll even preachers and pastors.

My daughter is 9, she had a friends bday party last week and her friends parents are big hikers and campers. They were complaining about how some of their favorite spots are now over run with fellow campers/hikers.

I think most outdoorsmen/women go to the outdoors be it hunting, fishing, hiking, camping to seek some solitude. Atleast I know that is a huge draw for me. We live in a world were that solitude is getting harder for everyone to find. Which ultimately causes alot of animosity amongst us.

Just my thoughts, would live to hear your opinion.

Too many rats in the maze........

Covid changed everything.  It made the rest of the world discover what we've known and cherished all along, which is solitude found in nature.  Now the ability to work remotely has driven up real estate prices in rural areas, and state parks and other public lands are overrun with new outdoor seekers.  And you combine that with urban areas and cities experiencing a major surge in violence and crime......get ready for the people.  I don't think it's going to change.

Quote from: WAGinVA on June 04, 2022, 06:35:53 AM
Too many rats in the maze........

Perfect analogy. 

For turkey hunters, in particular, and under the conditions we now face, it is like someone coming over the intercom and announcing a "blue light special" at Walmart but there only being one of the product available.  There's going to be a brawl every time. 

Mountainbird makes a very good point. In my lifetime this country has went  from around 200 million people to 350 million +, more people equals less space per capita and more conflict. If society has a flat line percentage of violent people and idiots then there are almost twice as many people of questionable character among us. I still believe in the basic goodness of people and that predominately society is kind and socially cohesive. The trouble is the outliers and trouble makers. where I do think we have went off the rails is in the media and government leadership. When the dominate voice of a people becomes the fringe of radical society then it exercises an influence on the whole philosophical view of everyone. I have long held the view, every group of people resembles their leadership, whether it's a small family group or a whole country this is my belief. If we want better we need to learn to be better.

This is where I will get real blunt and offend someone....this country doesn't need more laws, agendas or politicians. It needs more Jesus. when we truly learn to love one another like the man said we will be better. It starts with each one of us individually, when we do better those around us pick up on it and do better. Each of us has influence, we just need to decide what that will be.

I used to be an atheist and enjoyed my fast lane pessimistic life. I used to host a group of guys for a couple days of pheasant hunting and at the end of the day we'd crack open the cooler of beer and unwind. Then I encountered Jesus and started changing my life. I would take my own cooler with snacks and pepsi. One day when we had finished the hunt they opened the big cooler and not one single beer was inside. It was soft drinks and food. I asked what the heck happened and they replied, "we decided you were the host and if you didn't want to drink we wouldn't either". This is how it works, be better and better will follow you. This won't happen fast, but it will happen. My experience took probably three years to see change in the group.

Well you asked, so got my rant.

Don't worry, high fuel prices,inflation, food shortages, etc will change all of this.

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Cell phones, computers, TV, If you lived in a little cabin, back in the sticks with out a link to the outside world you would be much happier. Everyone needs to learn, that what every body else is doing, if its legal is none of your business.

I'm only talking turkey not deer, ducks etc.  Since about the late 1990s if relegated to public land I've made it a point to only hunt weekdays.  If I had to hunt weekends I'd find something better to do.  Even in today's climate I'll bet I can find some solitude on a Wednesday hunt.  Opening week in south Florida an exception to this when every Osceola hungry hunter from the other 49 states flood the public lands and trip over each other for at least a week. 
This just completed season I drew a limited Florida quota hunt (won't happen every year).  Then was lucky enough to hunt some private land later in March.   Both hunts enjoyable and productive.  Followed that up with a long planned trip to a western state for a Merriam.  Again didn't go west opening week and made sure the days I would be hunting would not include a Saturday or Sunday.  I'm still of the opinion if you plan to work around the crowds they can often be avoided most of the time.
Going to add this.  I will spend hours looking through the country's turkey outfitters web sites always looking for a deal.  Many guide and outfit on public lands.  A lot more than you would think.  For some reason that irks me a little.  I will never go on a guided or sit in a blind type hunt but that's just me.  My Merriam trip was a solo run and gun hunt but at 75 I know those trips may be numbered.  The point here is that when looking these past two weeks the prices for the 2023 season have skyrocketed so if you have a trip in the future don't wait too long if you can avoid it.  You would think that $6.00 + gas would slow things down but it doesn't seem to so far.  The outfitters may start pricing many out of their offerings so the available public land will get more crowded.  Good luck. 

It is mostly the internet and social media, meet people face to face and there is a different attitude and people are generally friendly!

I also agree, trying to stuff 10lbs of chit in a 5lb jug.

When I was young we were raised with God fearing principals. I`m not saying we always obeyed them but when we didn`t there seemed to be a price to pay. The world was a simpler place. We didn`t have a lot but always got by. I remember my Uncle with his piece of paper and pencil. We got propane, wood for the stove (kitchen and central), potatoes in the cellar etc. Were gonna be alright.
We were a close family and we depended on each other day to day. Much of that is gone now with broken homes and no fathers. I had a trade that provided well for my family. But some folks on the job were very self serving and just wanted to get to the top at all cost and no respect for their fellow man. When my close co worker died from stress I retired. We live in a me, me, me society and many do not have a clue the price our fore Fathers payed for our freedom. I sum this up that " This world is not my home." For me I want to fear God, honor and respect his principles and do good to my fellow man.  The cares of this world will just plane wear a man out. God bless and enjoy your day.

I agree with a lot of what has been said, but we still have a lot of good people in the turkey hunting community. All i will add is Social Media and the bias news media has played a role in trying to make us fight among ourselves.  All they want to do is cause conflict among everyone... or better known as lying to our faces ...

Quote from: eggshell on June 04, 2022, 08:18:09 AM
Mountainbird makes a very good point. In my lifetime this country has went  from around 200 million people to 350 million +, more people equals less space per capita and more conflict. If society has a flat line percentage of violent people and idiots then there are almost twice as many people of questionable character among us. I still believe in the basic goodness of people and that predominately society is kind and socially cohesive. The trouble is the outliers and trouble makers. where I do think we have went off the rails is in the media and government leadership. When the dominate voice of a people becomes the fringe of radical society then it exercises an influence on the whole philosophical view of everyone. I have long held the view, every group of people resembles their leadership, whether it's a small family group or a whole country this is my belief. If we want better we need to learn to be better.

This is where I will get real blunt and offend someone....this country doesn't need more laws, agendas or politicians. It needs more Jesus. when we truly learn to love one another like the man said we will be better. It starts with each one of us individually, when we do better those around us pick up on it and do better. Each of us has influence, we just need to decide what that will be.

I used to be an atheist and enjoyed my fast lane pessimistic life. I used to host a group of guys for a couple days of pheasant hunting and at the end of the day we'd crack open the cooler of beer and unwind. Then I encountered Jesus and started changing my life. I would take my own cooler with snacks and pepsi. One day when we had finished the hunt they opened the big cooler and not one single beer was inside. It was soft drinks and food. I asked what the heck happened and they replied, "we decided you were the host and if you didn't want to drink we wouldn't either". This is how it works, be better and better will follow you. This won't happen fast, but it will happen. My experience took probably three years to see change in the group.

Well you asked, so got my rant.

So true. This is what's wrong in society and in our school system. 

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 A refreshing thread , points being made are spot on . We live in a fallen world . We wrestle not with flesh and bones but with the Prince of darkness . So put Pepsi in your cooler and let your light shine . Then hang on .  There is still a lot of beauty that surrounds us if we look . My DAD always said there is something to see if we look .

Quote from: ol bob on June 04, 2022, 08:43:20 AM
Everyone needs to learn, that what every body else is doing, if its legal is none of your business.

Amen brother!!


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Quote from: RutnNStrutn on June 04, 2022, 01:28:51 PM

Quote from: ol bob on June 04, 2022, 08:43:20 AM
Everyone needs to learn, that what every body else is doing, if its legal is none of your business.

Amen brother!!


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If it's legal and affect me than it is my business. I may not be able  to do anything about it but still is of concern to me.

Liberal intolerance and it's effect on society. Plain and simple. Ever since the 60's, liberal intolerance has led to increased arguing, less understanding, more fighting, and it pushes distrust and hatred of those who don't think, talk and act like they do.
This has crept into every facet of life. Class, race, religion, gender, politics, education, etc. Similarly, it has appeared in the hunting community.
Back in the day, family and friends would be happy to take a kid hunting. People were open to and interested in new hunting techniques. Other hunters would congratulate you on your success. Nowadays, they examine your hunt under a microscope. There's already too many hunters, why are you bringing in more? Did you hunt private land or public? DIY or guided? What weapon did you use? What broadhead or type of shot did you use? Did you hunt out of a blind or use decoys? Did you reap, fall back and call, did you hunt an area where someone was already parked at the gate? What call did you use? Etc, etc, etc, ad nauseum.
If you didn't hunt the exact same way that the purists hunt, let the attacks begin. Which brings us to the next problem - Internet tough guys. It's easy to sit behind a keyboard halfway across the country and be a tough guy to someone you don't agree with. Back in the day, you manned up or shut up. You didn't jump on a keyboard and blast some dude you've never even met.
What's the solution? Beats the hell out of me!! All I know is that back in the day, I thought my parents and grandparents were old fashioned and out of touch. Now that I'm older myself, I've realized much too late that they knew exactly what they were talking about. But it's too late. Someone left the gate open, and the horses have escaped the corral.

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Quote from: Paulmyr on June 04, 2022, 01:55:45 PM
If it's legal and affects me than it is my business. I may not be able to anything about it but it's still of concern to me.

So what are you going to do? Sit around and be mad? I guess all you can do is lobby the powers that be to change the law to your liking.

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Quote from: RutnNStrutn on June 04, 2022, 01:57:14 PM
Liberal intolerance and it's effect on society. Plain and simple. Ever since the 60's, liberal intolerance has led to increasing arguing, less understanding, more fighting, and it pushes distrust and hatred of those who don't think, talk and act like they do.
This has crept into every facet of life. Class, race, religion, gender, politics, education, etc. Similarly, it has appeared in the hunting community.
Back in the day, family and friends would be happy to take a kid hunting. People were open to and interested in new hunting techniques. Other hunters would congratulate you on your success. Nowadays, they examine your hunt under a microscope. Did you hunt private land or public? DIY or guided? What weapon did you use? What broadhead or shot she'll did you use? Did you hunt out of a blind or use decoys? Did you reap, fall back and call, did you hunt an area where someone was already parked at the gate? What call did you use? Etc, etc, etc, ad nauseum.
If you didn't hunt the exact same way that the purists hunt, let the attacks begin. Which brings us to the next problem - Internet tough guys. It's easy to sit behind a keyboard halfway across the country and be a tough guy to someone you don't agree with. Back in the day, you manned up or shut up. You didn't jump on a keyboard and blast some dude you've never even met.
What's the solution? Beats the hell out of me!! All I know is that back in the day, I thought my parents and grandparents were old fashioned and out of touch. Now that I'm older myself, I realize too late that they knew exactly what they were talking about. But it's too late. Someone left the gate open, and the horses have escaped the corral.

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I also remember a day when a man had the right to his opinion and could voice it freely without the concern of being cancelled. Losing his livelihood because he voiced an opinion others didn't like. It's slippery slope when people are told/forced to shut up and take it.

Back in my early years , we had this local community store / sporting good store and pretty much everyone knew everyone and where we all hunted. After opening morning of deer season we would all meet back at the store and weight our deer, check them in for our next tag and the guy who owned the store had one of these new Polaroid camera that would take a picture develop it all in one motion and your picture was put up on the wall for everyone to see.. We all would share stories of the morning hunt and eating store made bologna sandwiches, little Debbie cakes, chips and cold drinks and get ready for the afternoon hunt.. that was our social media back in those early years. We all new each other in the community and we all tried to help each other ... those days are long gone... i have and always say i have lived the best years growing up in this world... You new guys have got a tough road to hold...  God Bless ....

Everyone wants to be free to do whatever they want, but they also want everyone else to agree with them. My head hurts  :OGturkeyhead:

I hate the fact many of the places I've hunted 20+ years are now regulated to the point of not making the trip. I hate the fact we are losing hunting season. I hate the fact public land has been hammered due to loose lips. I hate the fact public land regulations are being tightened and opportunity lost because of the loose lips. I hate the fact people are trying to profit from public land turkeys/hunting. I hate the fact turkeys are now hunted for likes and social media attention when they are a precious resource that is so much more than that. I love turkey hunting. I love to see first light on the horizon on a new day. I love to hear owls and whippoorwills. I love to hear my heart pounding when he is coming my way. I love the smell of gun powder after the shot. I love sitting back at camp and telling the story to a few close buddies and that being enough. 

We were warned about 2000 years ago this was coming.

2 Timothy 3
New Living Translation
The Dangers of the Last Days

3 You should know this, Timothy, that in the last days there will be very difficult times. 2 For people will love only themselves and their money. They will be boastful and proud, scoffing at God, disobedient to their parents, and ungrateful. They will consider nothing sacred. 3 They will be unloving and unforgiving; they will slander others and have no self-control. They will be cruel and hate what is good. 4 They will betray their friends, be reckless, be puffed up with pride, and love pleasure rather than God. 5 They will act religious, but they will reject the power that could make them godly. Stay away from people like that!

You may as well read the rest of the warning, it continues in chapter 3

Quote from: RutnNStrutn on June 04, 2022, 01:57:14 PM
Liberal intolerance and it's effect on society. Plain and simple. Ever since the 60's, liberal intolerance has led to increased arguing, less understanding, more fighting, and it pushes distrust and hatred of those who don't think, talk and act like they do.
This has crept into every facet of life. Class, race, religion, gender, politics, education, etc. Similarly, it has appeared in the hunting community.
Back in the day, family and friends would be happy to take a kid hunting. People were open to and interested in new hunting techniques. Other hunters would congratulate you on your success. Nowadays, they examine your hunt under a microscope. There's already too many hunters, why are you bringing in more? Did you hunt private land or public? DIY or guided? What weapon did you use? What broadhead or type of shot did you use? Did you hunt out of a blind or use decoys? Did you reap, fall back and call, did you hunt an area where someone was already parked at the gate? What call did you use? Etc, etc, etc, ad nauseum.
If you didn't hunt the exact same way that the purists hunt, let the attacks begin. Which brings us to the next problem - Internet tough guys. It's easy to sit behind a keyboard halfway across the country and be a tough guy to someone you don't agree with. Back in the day, you manned up or shut up. You didn't jump on a keyboard and blast some dude you've never even met.
What's the solution? Beats the hell out of me!! All I know is that back in the day, I thought my parents and grandparents were old fashioned and out of touch. Now that I'm older myself, I've realized much too late that they knew exactly what they were talking about. But it's too late. Someone left the gate open, and the horses have escaped the corral.

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Great post rutnstrut!


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Quote from: eggshell on June 04, 2022, 04:45:31 PM
We were warned about 2000 years ago this was coming.

2 Timothy 3
New Living Translation
The Dangers of the Last Days

3 You should know this, Timothy, that in the last days there will be very difficult times. 2 For people will love only themselves and their money. They will be boastful and proud, scoffing at God, disobedient to their parents, and ungrateful. They will consider nothing sacred. 3 They will be unloving and unforgiving; they will slander others and have no self-control. They will be cruel and hate what is good. 4 They will betray their friends, be reckless, be puffed up with pride, and love pleasure rather than God. 5 They will act religious, but they will reject the power that could make them godly. Stay away from people like that!

You may as well read the rest of the warning, it continues in chapter 3

Post of the year ^^^
  To much SELF and not enough Jesus !  Bottom line .

Amen!!!

Deer and turkey hunting has become such a competition sport. Turkey hunting may not get the press, posts, or discussion as deer hunting, but it is even more effected by it due to the smaller resource and more area needed to pursue it. Back when I first started hunting turkeys in the late 80's it was a novelty that only a few did and didn't really talk ad nauseum about. Fast forward to today, and it is a completely different beast. Hunters throw a hissy fit if someone else decides to hunt the same land. Gatekeeping takes a literal meaning in this community. Rather than going out to enjoy the spring turkey woods as God has provided, it has become a competition to get the coolest photos to post on a FB or Instagram. How many times do you see a pic of a truly excited turkey hunter nowadays? Now think about how many times you see a pic of turkey with a person that works as a "influencer" or "prostaff"? It's not about the bird for so many anymore, its about the product placement, YouTube views, and likes. All this makes territorial behavior worse because it's not just the bird on the line, it's the bottom dollar.

Quote from: RutnNStrutn on June 04, 2022, 01:57:14 PM
Liberal intolerance and it's effect on society. Plain and simple. Ever since the 60's, liberal intolerance has led to increased arguing, less understanding, more fighting, and it pushes distrust and hatred of those who don't think, talk and act like they do.
This has crept into every facet of life. Class, race, religion, gender, politics, education, etc. Similarly, it has appeared in the hunting community.
Back in the day, family and friends would be happy to take a kid hunting. People were open to and interested in new hunting techniques. Other hunters would congratulate you on your success. Nowadays, they examine your hunt under a microscope. There's already too many hunters, why are you bringing in more? Did you hunt private land or public? DIY or guided? What weapon did you use? What broadhead or type of shot did you use? Did you hunt out of a blind or use decoys? Did you reap, fall back and call, did you hunt an area where someone was already parked at the gate? What call did you use? Etc, etc, etc, ad nauseum.
If you didn't hunt the exact same way that the purists hunt, let the attacks begin. Which brings us to the next problem - Internet tough guys. It's easy to sit behind a keyboard halfway across the country and be a tough guy to someone you don't agree with. Back in the day, you manned up or shut up. You didn't jump on a keyboard and blast some dude you've never even met.
What's the solution? Beats the hell out of me!! All I know is that back in the day, I thought my parents and grandparents were old fashioned and out of touch. Now that I'm older myself, I've realized much too late that they knew exactly what they were talking about. But it's too late. Someone left the gate open, and the horses have escaped the corral.

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I certainly agree with this statement except I do not believe that intolerance is restricted to any one group. it cuts across all groups. It used to be you could exchange differing ideas without being stereotyped into a particular group, now if you express a different view than stated you are, fill in the blank. Thus the free exchange of ideas and thus growth is being quelled so differing views gravitate to like views and there is no exchange of ideas. Off soapbox

Quote from: eggshell on June 04, 2022, 04:45:31 PM
We were warned about 2000 years ago this was coming.

2 Timothy 3
New Living Translation
The Dangers of the Last Days

3 You should know this, Timothy, that in the last days there will be very difficult times. 2 For people will love only themselves and their money. They will be boastful and proud, scoffing at God, disobedient to their parents, and ungrateful. They will consider nothing sacred. 3 They will be unloving and unforgiving; they will slander others and have no self-control. They will be cruel and hate what is good. 4 They will betray their friends, be reckless, be puffed up with pride, and love pleasure rather than God. 5 They will act religious, but they will reject the power that could make them godly. Stay away from people like that!

You may as well read the rest of the warning, it continues in chapter 3

Yes we are here....

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I hate to say it, but the worst part about hunting is hunters.  Anyone who has been in a hunting club will tell you it is non-stop drama.  Constant whining and complaining about seemingly everything.  Any club over 10 people has "that guy/s" whose jealous of anyone who kills something and is always worried that someone will kill "his" deer or turkey.  A THP episode summed it up pretty well when one of Chamberlain's grad students killed a turkey and said something to the effect of "anyone who doesn't want others to share this experience I don't understand the selfishness"

I guess it's always been this way.  I don't have an answer as to why, but if you don't know who "that guy" is then it's probably you.

Quote from: eggshell on June 04, 2022, 08:18:09 AM
Mountainbird makes a very good point. In my lifetime this country has went  from around 200 million people to 350 million +, more people equals less space per capita and more conflict. If society has a flat line percentage of violent people and idiots then there are almost twice as many people of questionable character among us. I still believe in the basic goodness of people and that predominately society is kind and socially cohesive. The trouble is the outliers and trouble makers. where I do think we have went off the rails is in the media and government leadership. When the dominate voice of a people becomes the fringe of radical society then it exercises an influence on the whole philosophical view of everyone. I have long held the view, every group of people resembles their leadership, whether it's a small family group or a whole country this is my belief. If we want better we need to learn to be better.

This is where I will get real blunt and offend someone....this country doesn't need more laws, agendas or politicians. It needs more Jesus. when we truly learn to love one another like the man said we will be better. It starts with each one of us individually, when we do better those around us pick up on it and do better. Each of us has influence, we just need to decide what that will be.

I used to be an atheist and enjoyed my fast lane pessimistic life. I used to host a group of guys for a couple days of pheasant hunting and at the end of the day we'd crack open the cooler of beer and unwind. Then I encountered Jesus and started changing my life. I would take my own cooler with snacks and pepsi. One day when we had finished the hunt they opened the big cooler and not one single beer was inside. It was soft drinks and food. I asked what the heck happened and they replied, "we decided you were the host and if you didn't want to drink we wouldn't either". This is how it works, be better and better will follow you. This won't happen fast, but it will happen. My experience took probably three years to see change in the group.

Well you asked, so got my rant.

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Quote from: eggshell on June 04, 2022, 08:18:09 AM
Mountainbird makes a very good point. In my lifetime this country has went  from around 200 million people to 350 million +, more people equals less space per capita and more conflict. If society has a flat line percentage of violent people and idiots then there are almost twice as many people of questionable character among us. I still believe in the basic goodness of people and that predominately society is kind and socially cohesive. The trouble is the outliers and trouble makers. where I do think we have went off the rails is in the media and government leadership. When the dominate voice of a people becomes the fringe of radical society then it exercises an influence on the whole philosophical view of everyone. I have long held the view, every group of people resembles their leadership, whether it's a small family group or a whole country this is my belief. If we want better we need to learn to be better.
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This is where I will get real blunt and offend someone....this country doesn't need more laws, agendas or politicians. It needs more Jesus. when we truly learn to love one another like the man said we will be better. It starts with each one of us individually, when we do better those around us pick up on it and do better. Each of us has influence, we just need to decide what that will be.

I used to be an atheist and enjoyed my fast lane pessimistic life. I used to host a group of guys for a couple days of pheasant hunting and at the end of the day we'd crack open the cooler of beer and unwind. Then I encountered Jesus and started changing my life. I would take my own cooler with snacks and pepsi. One day when we had finished the hunt they opened the big cooler and not one single beer was inside. It was soft drinks and food. I asked what the heck happened and they replied, "we decided you were the host and if you didn't want to drink we wouldn't either". This is how it works, be better and better will follow you. This won't happen fast, but it will happen. My experience took probably three years to see change in the group.

Well you asked, so got my rant.

Listen, if you would all just do it my way, that'd be great! :TooFunny:

Quote from: arkrem870 on June 04, 2022, 04:44:35 PM
I hate the fact many of the places I've hunted 20+ years are now regulated to the point of not making the trip. I hate the fact we are losing hunting season. I hate the fact public land has been hammered due to loose lips. I hate the fact public land regulations are being tightened and opportunity lost because of the loose lips. I hate the fact people are trying to profit from public land turkeys/hunting. I hate the fact turkeys are now hunted for likes and social media attention when they are a precious resource that is so much more than that. I love turkey hunting. I love to see first light on the horizon on a new day. I love to hear owls and whippoorwills. I love to hear my heart pounding when he is coming my way. I love the smell of gun powder after the shot. I love sitting back at camp and telling the story to a few close buddies and that being enough.

Amen.  Close the thread.

People spend time in the outdoors to get the "$@&&$ away from people.... And now ....you cannot do that in many places . I live in one of the "technically" ruralest and poorest states in the nation and you cannot have an experience to yourself on public land anymore. deer or turkey hunting public property or a club is now a fight of who is first . There is no place besides first place, because if the turkey is dead he's dead.....as far as land ownership , to own enough property to hold and keep a huntable population of turkeys is a difficult thing to do on many levels. One being simply buying it..... 200 acres , better be a millionaire.... Because that's what it's gonna take probably from now on. Buying it in an area with turkeys , managing the place in a manner to keep and hold turkeys. And now ... you get to fight people off of it for the rest of your life. Sure there is some anomalies , buying a magical small parcel that feeds off your neighbors bigger property ....but in the end it's an endless and expensive endevour .  Hunting public land , is like having a full time job.... That's the level of effort it takes to have that one on one experience unadulterated by other humans . You may hunt all season for that one experience. I've said it many times , my worst enemy as a turkey hunter is another turkey hunter ........ not the government , not a coyote or coon..... but people.

In relation to hunting, I think social media and the overwhelming societal need for instant gratification are the main culprits.  The hunting culture has been tainted by the negatives that accompany the above.  As with many aspects in today's world, "Me" and "I" are often placed above all else.

There is a lot of unwarranted hate, but often with turkey hunting, certain viewpoints and opinions of concern get wrongly labeled as hate or jealousy.  It is now common to voice arguments against certain actions, methods, or tools considered detrimental to turkey populations and turkey hunting and be labeled as such.  It doesn't help that the hate narrative is fueled by industry influencers, whom benefit directly with certain products or methods.  One of the most well known influencers recently lumped together vocal hunters of differing viewpoints with PETA and anti-hunters with the label of "Anti-Hunter Hunters".  That's basically an attempt to degrade the credibility of other hunters and attempt at canceling those you disagree with.