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Title: Remington 1187 20 gauge Compact, 21"
Post by: RED NECK on January 09, 2022, 12:36:11 PM
I found a little shop that has a stash of these brand new, I picked one up for my father for a gift from another shop a few years back and have been looking for another, I always regretted not buying the camo version they used to sell in the 21" barrel, these are Black synthetic but that is ok, I am going to have it drilled and tapped and maybe get it dipped in the near future.

I am going to bite the bullet and add this gun to my collection later this week. I am going to use a mossy oak gun wrap until I send it away to have it dipped,the place I used went big business and only does work for the bigger gun companies like Browning Canada etc. It is too bad as he did outstanding work and a great price.
Title: Re: Remington 1187 20 gauge Compact, 21"
Post by: RED NECK on January 10, 2022, 12:47:43 PM
It looks like I will be dropping 3 guns off in the next few weeks to be dipped.

I will be taking the 2 1187's and my 870 20 gauge compact with shurshot, and the extra forend and stock. I am waiting to hear back but It will either be greenleaf, and original bottomland on my 2 guns and "new" bottomland for my fathers 1187 20 gauge. I am waiting to hear back about which he has in stock, and how much. It is within  driving range, 1.5 hrs so Ill save about $80 dollars in shipping costs and that includes gas already. The prices are pretty good for up here, I can't complain. I also am considering the Fred Bear camo.
Title: Re: Remington 1187 20 gauge Compact, 21"
Post by: RED NECK on January 10, 2022, 06:39:16 PM
I can get them done in those Mossy oak patterns, I have been looking through all the patterns he has access too, and I actually think I am going to get mine done in two different patterns,something nobody else would have. I like these so far:

-Predator Camo Green Deception (This is what I like for the Stevens 555 20 gauge compact)
-Tiger Stripe Vietnam   ( This is my leading choice for my Rem 870 youth w/shurshot and original stock)
-Fred Bear Camo          ( This is what I am leaning towards for my Hatsan 20 gauge I hand painted)
-MultiCam
-A-tacs ix
-Natural Gear SC2 Green   ( This is my leading choice for my Rem 1187 20 gauge,21")

I am going to think It over and let him know on Friday, I have two other shotguns that I would like to have dipped after this batch, a 20 gauge I hand painted and the stevens 555 20 gauge compact, when I purchase it.
Title: Re: Remington 1187 20 gauge Compact, 21"
Post by: RED NECK on January 10, 2022, 08:42:30 PM
I just found this option, this is  Kryptek Obskura Transitional


"Obskura was born out of the vast experience and insight Kryptek gained through the U.S. Army Camo Improvement Effort and development efforts with other Foreign Militaries. In summary, the macro-pattern of Kryptek’s original family of patterns became the micro-pattern for Obskura, and elements inspired by the extensively proven Tiger Stripe Camo became the macro-pattern. For decades, Tiger Stripe has been used extensively in various theaters of operations and is a proven winner in military tests focused specifically on effectiveness. Tiger Stripe improves concealment when facing opponents equipped with enhanced visual acquisition devices in the IR (infrared) and SWIR spectrums."


This is perfect,Its going on my 1187 and  Natural Gear Sc2 Green can go on the 870.
Title: Re: Remington 1187 20 gauge Compact, 21"
Post by: RED NECK on January 11, 2022, 10:50:57 PM
I think I will try the    -Natural Gear SC2 Green   on my Rem 1187 20 gauge,21" youth and just take this gun and drop it off, If I like the outcome I think I will get my 870 20 gauge,21" youth,shurshot,regular stock,saddle mount and scope done in it as well. My thinking is then I can transfer the shurshot stock between the guns and It will be the same pattern.

My 870 is drilled and tapped for a marlin 336 base and red dot but I also have a saddle mount and scope for gun that I'll get done so I can change back and forth, I also will be sending two of my warbird protectors to have them done in all the same pattern.

I just like this pattern, I wore Natural gear pants for a decade and killed lots of turkeys,whitetail,bears etc and have always liked and felt it blends in well up here, and the Natural Gear SC2 Green looks good and is something different than normal per say.

I will get the 1187 drilled and tapped when I get gun back from being dipped.I am also going to send a few chokes to have done this time as well for my 20 Gauge Remingtons.
Title: Re: Remington 1187 20 gauge Compact, 21"
Post by: aclawrence on January 11, 2022, 10:59:44 PM
I’ve always wanted one of these shotguns!


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Title: Re: Remington 1187 20 gauge Compact, 21"
Post by: RED NECK on January 12, 2022, 07:56:13 PM
He may not have enough, or that pattern in stock, he is going to double check,if not he can have it in 7-10 days but I was looking through my waterfowl clothing and I pulled out a hat that belonged to my Grandfather,he's been gone since 1997 but It was a gift for my 10th bday, and I knew sure enough it was "Fred Bear" camo, I haven't wore it in 15 years at least and I got thinking that this gun sure would look nice done up in that finish, I do plan on using it for duck hunting in small floods as well,so we will see. I will know by Friday and will be dropping It(both 1187's) off late next week.
Title: Re: Remington 1187 20 gauge Compact, 21"
Post by: aclawrence on January 13, 2022, 08:04:50 AM
Don’t check for me. I can’t buy one I’ve just always wanted one lol. Maybe one day I’ll be able to snatch one up. Congrats on the find!


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Title: Re: Remington 1187 20 gauge Compact, 21"
Post by: RED NECK on January 13, 2022, 09:25:16 AM
I'm not checking for anybody, I was talking about the dipping patterns the hydro dipper has in stock. I ordered 4 Sims Vibration Kodiak Lt black slings for the new shotguns I have picked up. One is a gift but the other 3 are for me. These have become one of my favorite slings, I like them so much more than the claws I have.



Title: Re: Remington 1187 20 gauge Compact, 21"
Post by: RED NECK on January 13, 2022, 10:30:55 PM
The gun should be shipping ups express tommorow,It should be here in a day,maybe 2. I have not heard back from the dipping company. If I don't hear back by time I get gun I may wait, or find another place. I am always leery of these "hydro dipping" places as I have found that there is no real set price in the industry and all give different time frames and from my experiences all give different levels, or no customer service.

One place, I spoke with was $600 a gun, are you kidding me? I said, you are twice the price as the closest competitor. He said they are the best, I said , well the  guy I did use does all of Browning Canada's firearms and charges half of what you do. I am not cheap, but I was not born last night and It seems like the "hydro dipping" is a licence to steal, for some.

I'm also not kissing anyones azz or chasing them around like a piece of skirt on a Friday night back in my late teens and 20's to have any work done.

I have looked and watched some other videos of different types of camoing them yourself, I have done 3 guns before but for what I paid for this gun, I don't think Id do it. I may have to wrap it and worry about dipping it later on.   But we will see, I am going to try and get in touch once more in the next few days and if I don't get a responce then I will move along and look elsewhere.
Title: Re: Remington 1187 20 gauge Compact, 21"
Post by: aclawrence on January 13, 2022, 10:51:50 PM
You might check iron horse gun works. It’s in Loretta, TN and seems to get pretty solid reviews. I don’t have personal experience there but it’s not far from me and I see people talking about them online. I think they’re more in the $250 range.


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Title: Re: Remington 1187 20 gauge Compact, 21"
Post by: RED NECK on January 14, 2022, 08:08:40 PM
I am up in Ontario, so I wouldnt even try.After letting my father decide on which pattern he wanted, this is what we ended up with on final choices.

MY GUN- Remington 1187 20 gauge,1 extra Shur shot stock, 1 warbird protector,1 small 336 marlin base, 2 turkey chokes dipped in--------
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1043 Natural Gear SC2 Green

-2nd choice- 245 Tiger stripe Vietnam

HIS GUN-Remington 1187 20 gauge, 1 scope rail and 1 turkey choke dipped in----------

914 Stalkland Legacy

-2nd choice-955 Stalkland Legacy Reduced

I am hoping to drop these guns off late next week at his shop,2 hr drive but close enough that It will save close to $200 shipping and It gives me a chance to go check out an old spot where I used to go when my cousins were in College in the late 1990's.

It wasn't an easy choice but I went with what I like the most,those two,follwed by a few others in the future.

Title: Re: Remington 1187 20 gauge Compact, 21"
Post by: RED NECK on January 14, 2022, 08:13:55 PM
I already have a .570 tightwad and a .575 Carlson's non ported but I will be looking for a few other chokes in a .550-.565 diameter eventually to test out as well. The first one I am going to test is the Carlson's tss .555 as I can get it local,when I pick my gun up from being drilled and tapped in a month or 6 weeks after it gets dipped, I will grab it then.
Title: Re: Remington 1187 20 gauge Compact, 21"
Post by: RED NECK on January 19, 2022, 02:04:53 PM
This gun finnaly shipped,6 days after paying for ups express shipping,It ships canada post,slowest way.The place I purchased it from has been a complete joke, and rude,arrogant and just a horrible experience talking to some "helper" on the phone, I spoke with the owner and he apologized and then turned around and lied and shipped it a cheaper way,It shows Friday to arrive. I paid for overnight shipping last Thursday.

This was the second gun I bought from them, and the last.The first purchase went smooth, this one has been like nails on a chalkboard,then getting ignorant and arrogant attitude on the phone from a minimum wage dog screwer, I'll buy elsewhere, and I purchase a lot.

I found a new hydro dipping shop that actually is easy to deal with and seems to want my hydro dipping business, I am just waiting to hear back today on the patterns I want. I will be shipping my guns to this place as It is a 4 hour drive, which is not worth my time.
Title: Re: Remington 1187 20 gauge Compact, 21"
Post by: Matt76cmich on January 19, 2022, 07:46:47 PM
Sucks to here about the crappy service with the gun shop. I won't buy another gun from Cabela's after the experience I had.  Seemed like I was ruining their day by buying a gun from them.

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Title: Re: Remington 1187 20 gauge Compact, 21"
Post by: RED NECK on January 19, 2022, 08:35:18 PM
I am going to be blunt, half of our customer service at these little gun shops, or places like Cabelas sucks the hind tit. I know because I was in charge of it and seen first hand how pathetic most workers treat customers in canada. When we travelled to the Usa when I was younger, and my father still does. The customer service we have received has been 3 times as good. Our customer service in the hunting and fishing industry is a complete joke, I am not going to say, every shop but I would easily bet $1500 Canadian that the majority of the places, are arrogant,cocky, dog screwers who probably have been in the woods 4 or 5 times a year and honestly have very little actual hands on knowledge of anything outdoor related. I always tried to be polite and helpful, I have been around and in the woods and on the water for a long time now and I am still learning.

I have had some great experiences as well but Id say I'd be lucky to be 50/50 % and this isnt something new, I have witnessed it from a boss/manager's view for close to 20 years and on a customer end for as long or longer. It gets old real fast. I will never deal with that place again, as long as I have a breathe in me, no matter what.

But, enough of the bad. I found a guy that is so much easier to chat with about hydro dipping, and straight forward and explains the cost, up front and what that entails. That is all I wanted from the other place but It seemed like he didn't want business, so I hope he goes bankrupt or starves. It's a dog eat dog world and business is business.

I think we have pretty much closed the deal on original bottomland and greenleaf on a few guns and talking about a 3rd to be sent as well.
Title: Re: Remington 1187 20 gauge Compact, 21"
Post by: Matt76cmich on January 19, 2022, 08:39:53 PM


But, enough of the bad. I found a guy that is so much easier to chat with about hydro dipping, and straight forward and explains the cost, up front and what that entails. That is all I wanted from the other place but It seemed like he didn't want business, so I hope he goes bankrupt or starves. It's a Dog eat dog world and business is business.

I think we have pretty much closed the deal on original bottomland and greenleaf on a few guns and talking about a 3rd to be sent as well.

I'd say it's 50/50 here in Michigan, but the good ones are great and they will continue to get my money.

Good to hear you found a good shop for the hydro dipping. I'm starting my research for a shop here in Michigan before I start looking elsewhere.  I'd like to keep it somewhat local as much as I can.


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Title: Re: Remington 1187 20 gauge Compact, 21"
Post by: RED NECK on January 19, 2022, 08:43:13 PM
I am just waiting to hear back about a Rem 870 20 gauge I want to send as well, I hand painted it and want to double check It isnt going to be a headache for him to dip because if it is, I won't send it.

I am going with greenleaf on my Rem 1187 20 gauge, and hopefully the shurshot grip that I hand painted, and I am getting the 870 done in original bottomland, as of now. I'll know tomorrow, or later tonight quite possibly.

I feel comfortable dealing with this place, I can tell by the way he spoke and communicated he is a solid business to deal with.
Title: Re: Remington 1187 20 gauge Compact, 21"
Post by: aclawrence on January 19, 2022, 08:58:21 PM
You can’t go wrong with greenleaf and bottomland. Those will be some nice looking turkey guns!


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Title: Re: Remington 1187 20 gauge Compact, 21"
Post by: RED NECK on January 23, 2022, 09:02:06 AM
We finally have everything worked out and the patterns we are getting, I just need my 1187 to arrive,It is late, It was supposed to arrive Friday but It shows Monday by end of day.

It was going to be a 3-4 week wait on bringing in the greenleaf pattern, he already has the two other options we like and that made it an easier decision. We should have our guns back within 3 weeks if everything goes as planned and I get them shipped out early this week.

When I get my gun back, I am getting it drilled and tapped for a marlin 336 base and installing one of my warbird protectors and a vortex venom. I am sending the base and the warbird to have dipped as well.

Title: Re: Remington 1187 20 gauge Compact, 21"
Post by: Ranger on January 23, 2022, 11:38:18 AM
Don't talk about it, be about it
Title: Re: Remington 1187 20 gauge Compact, 21"
Post by: RED NECK on January 24, 2022, 05:58:45 PM
The new gun arrived today, I stripped it down,quickly wiped the oil off of it, It's wrapped and packed and heading out to be dipped in the morning.
Title: Re: Remington 1187 20 gauge Compact, 21"
Post by: RED NECK on February 20, 2022, 06:58:30 PM
Our 1187's are on the way back tuesday and they look great, I can't get the pictures he sent me to load, as they are jpegs, I should have them late this coming week, or early the next week. I am sending him another gun to have done, I am not sure which gun yet. I am very happy dealing with this guy.
Title: Re: Remington 1187 20 gauge Compact, 21"
Post by: Matt76cmich on February 20, 2022, 07:00:46 PM
Our 1187's are on the way back tuesday and they look great, I can't get the pictures he sent me as they are jpegs, I should have them late this coming week, or early the next week. I am sending him another gun to have done, I am not sure which gun yet. I am very happy dealing with this guy.
Can't wait to see em.

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Title: Re: Remington 1187 20 gauge Compact, 21"
Post by: RED NECK on February 20, 2022, 07:15:43 PM
My father is happy, he went with original bottomland, i went with, in the end, what I like the most out of the two, and that I s the "new" bottomland,I have half a dozen in that pattern but I didn't want to get the same as his, the "original" looks very good. I am just used to the "new" bottomland. He was very professional,emailed back and forth,let me know if there was any issues,when he would be doing what and when he would be done and he stuck to the price he told me.

I am thinking of either sending my winchester 1300 black shadow 22" in to be dipped, or my mossberg 835 tactical thats been used on a handful of hunts and looks older than my first gun, the 1300 does because of deet, I assume I had on my gloves.

He would be done before season with the gun, if i send him another.I am going to think it over for a day or so and then send him another one,and figure out what pattern.
Title: Re: Remington 1187 20 gauge Compact, 21"
Post by: RED NECK on February 28, 2022, 04:44:44 PM
I received both guns back today, I have to say, I am happy with them but I am a little irritated on the way that he packed them and shipped them back as the rods where the stock goes on were not wrapped,I shipped everything wrapped so no damage, and this is what happens when not packed properly. He will learn, you wont make any money in business if you are doing things twice for the price of once.

I am sending barrel back tommorow and he is going to re dip it, he apologized. I am also sending a shurshot grip and a base. If it was close to season,I would be upset but i'll have it back in a few weeks and I am taking the receiver to be drilled and tapped anyway and I won't be shooting for weeks yet anyway. The original bottomland looks real good,I will post up pics after he gets it back together and I will post up mine as well.
Title: Re: Remington 1187 20 gauge Compact, 21"
Post by: RED NECK on February 28, 2022, 04:51:35 PM
I also plan on sending him my rem 870 20 ga youth in a few weeks to have it done, in original bottomland.I was not going to but I am really impressed with the original dip in person and i think the 870 would look good in it.
Title: Re: Remington 1187 20 gauge Compact, 21"
Post by: RED NECK on March 06, 2022, 09:53:29 PM
The barrel and shurshot are done and on the way back to me tomorrow.
Title: Re: Remington 1187 20 gauge Compact, 21"
Post by: RED NECK on March 14, 2022, 08:43:15 PM
Here is my 870 20 gauge youth that I painted along with the 1187 youth 20 gauge I had dipped in bottomland.I got it back today and put it togther tonight, for a brand new gun the barrel is lots of work to get clean, I am going to deep clean and polish it here in the next week, I am going to have it drilled and tapped this week, the guy was busy but has time later this week to do it.

I think I like my custom paint job as much as the dip. I'll try and get my fathers gun up for a few pictures here in the next few days, I think his looks amazing,I regret going with "new" bottomland,maybe because I already have a handful in that finish.
Title: Re: Remington 1187 20 gauge Compact, 21"
Post by: RED NECK on March 14, 2022, 08:45:02 PM
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Title: Re: Remington 1187 20 gauge Compact, 21"
Post by: Matt76cmich on March 14, 2022, 09:05:07 PM
Nice.  I like the Michael Meyers edition

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Title: Re: Remington 1187 20 gauge Compact, 21"
Post by: RED NECK on March 14, 2022, 09:24:46 PM
It's Pure Evil.....
Title: Re: Remington 1187 20 gauge Compact, 21"
Post by: RED NECK on March 15, 2022, 12:22:35 PM
here is my dads rem 1187 20 gauge in original bottomland.
Title: Re: Remington 1187 20 gauge Compact, 21"
Post by: RED NECK on March 17, 2022, 12:52:56 PM
I went and dropped my 1187 off to be drilled & tapped this morning,ill have it back in a few days. The new gunsmith I use has been outstanding and so much better than the 2 others I had used for a decade.The work has been superb compared to the other "blind" ones.
Title: Re: Remington 1187 20 gauge Compact, 21"
Post by: RED NECK on March 19, 2022, 07:50:44 PM
I picked my gun up from being drilled & tapped this morning, I am either going to install my vortex venom on a warbird mount or a bushnell trs 25, I have not decided yet. I have the hoppes #9 and some scotch brite and brushes on the way from amazon to give the barrel a real good cleaning before I take it out to pattern and dial it in.
Title: Re: Remington 1187 20 gauge Compact, 21"
Post by: RED NECK on March 22, 2022, 05:57:51 PM
I just spent two hours deep cleaning this barrel, It has been the nastiest,dirtiest shotgun barrel I have ever seen, and it is brand new,I used hoppes #9 and It still took me forever,I am finnaly done with it.

I mounted the vortex venom but i am worried I do not have enough play to get it low enough but I will find out when I shoot next weekend,if I don't I am going to use a bushnell trs 25 instead and use the venom on another gun,Im not wasting money on a shim kit, or using tin cans cut into pieces for shims.
Title: Re: Remington 1187 20 gauge Compact, 21"
Post by: RED NECK on April 09, 2022, 02:35:17 PM
I finally got to shoot the gun and pattern it, so I am as low as I can get with the vortex venom, and I am hitting approx 2" high of my aim point with Federal tss #7's, I am ok with that because I always aim at base of neck and it seemed to work perfect, I had to fire 3 tss #7's to get it perfect, as I over adjusted at first left-right,would have been a dead bird but I always try to be "perfect". I didn't waste any other ammo,as I am going to shoot Federal tss #7's from this gun and I am trying to conserve as much as I can,not because of price per say, but because we are starting to go through what you guys have been going through, our supply is dwindiling and It has become harder to find more.

I cant post pictures as I didnt bother at 40 yards, I fired at 50 yards. Everybody knows it patterns at 40 yards. I want all my birds within 40 yards but i also want to make sure my guns are capable of a "mistake" on yardage judging, and everybody can do it,as I have been bow hunting for 30 years and consider myself a real good judge of yardage.

I'll shoot tss #7's until I can shoot 9's, from this gun. I am happy with it,not really a lot to mess with, I fired some target loads to get the venom close, at 12 yards and then stepped back,at 12 yards the tss #7's are tight, I like my turkeys at 25-30 yards if I have a choice.

I stuck with the .575 Carlson non ported,I didn't even bother with the tightwad .570, It can stay in my 870 pump.