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General Discussion => Turkey Hunting Tips ,Strategies & Methods => Topic started by: Goblen on April 06, 2021, 07:25:05 PM
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How do you deal with a gobbler that's at his strut zone? I tried, clucking, purring and scratched leaves. He would goes crazy Gobbling at all of those, but wouldn't budge off his spot.
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I'd beat him to his strut zone the next morning.
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The thought has definitely crossed my mind. I really wanted to call him to the gun. But I may just have to get there before he does and call some. I just don't want to feel like I ambushed him.
He is 50 yards in front of me, in the opening. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210407/99d79386d4ccb29c9a3846b2d50784f5.jpg)
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The best way I've found to deal with that situation is to completely stop calling and let the gobbler move off his strut zone. It may take quite awhile for him to vacate the area but you need to let him lose interest and move out. If you can confirm he far enough away to safely move get up and get to the strut zone and call him back. I've done that several times over the years and it works very well.
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Fire him and then shut up.
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Fire him and then shut up.
My thoughts exactly.
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Back off, go elsewhere and try to find one that's wants to play the game and hunt him another day.
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Fire him and then shut up.
THIS - Let them KILL THEMSELVES...
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Fire him and then shut up.
This would be my first try. Yep.
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Back off, go elsewhere and try to find one that's wants to play the game and hunt him another day.
And........unless I had someone else with me...........this would be my second strategy.
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Fighting purr. It can make em break and come in with a fire-hydrant red head. I do it on 2 push-pins. It has worked for me. Nothing guaranteed, but this has worked. Be safe, great thread....
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I'll throw out the dont try on public land disclaimer but gobbling has worked well for me in this situation. The thought that another gobbler has come onto his hen has made a lot of birds come in hot from a strut zone to see what is going on.
I will say this though, whenever I have tried this I can tell you for a fact that it was either the dominant gobbler or it was a pair of gobblers together. I reckon it is quite likely that a mild-mannered bird will shy away from a challenge when offered in this manner. But I also think that a a younger bird is going to be more likely to commit to hen calling.
Patience will kill a lot more birds than tricks like a gobble or fighting purr. I have used both, and had successfully with both in this exact scenario. But the best bet is to work him with hen calls and shut up.
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I hunt on private land, so do not have others coming in on me. My go-to method of bringing in a reluctant gobbler is to use my Primos gobble tube to answer his gobbles after he wants my hen yelps to result in me coming to him. With the peck order always in effect, it often results in the real bird coming in, sometimes after a couple of hours, to investigate the intruder sometimes vocally and other times silently. I often try to cut in on his gobbles with mine or double gobbling to show aggression. This method has worked best in the Illinois 5th season which is in late April/early May near the end of the breeding period and has resulted in taking my biggest birds.
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The thought has definitely crossed my mind. I really wanted to call him to the gun. But I may just have to get there before he does and call some. I just don't want to feel like I ambushed him.
He is 50 yards in front of me, in the opening. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210407/99d79386d4ccb29c9a3846b2d50784f5.jpg)
What's behind you?
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Fire him and then shut up.
This is good advice.
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I also like the ploy of getting a bird fired up and then going silent for a bit. The more you call, the more he expects that hen to come to him.
Sometimes I will walk parallel or slightly away from him while calling, and then shut up after making some quiet clucks/purrs (making sure the bird cannot see me, but also does not have terrible terrain to cross).
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Fire him and then shut up.
You mean to fire him up, I’m assuming? Call loud and hot then shut up?
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Fire him and then shut up.
You mean to fire him up, I’m assuming? Call loud and hot then shut up?
"Loud and hot" is a relative term. What one of us defines as such may be entirely different than the next guy with a call. For me personally, "loud and hot" in these situations is a series of sharp cuts with maybe a few yelps thrown in. The "then shut up" part is totally contingent upon the reaction I get from that gobbler.
Whatever you try, the trick is to not do something that triggers suspicion in the bird(s) you are dealing with,...or at the other extreme, triggers something that makes him/them want to come to you. That's a pretty general and simple statement to make, and in addition, what WE hunters think will (or will not) trigger (or not trigger) a gobbler is not necessarily what HE is (or is not) triggered by. ;D
All of the advice given here has been spot on...in a particular hunting scenario. When all is said and done, the best any of us can do is apply the knowledge gained from our individual experiences, and under our own hunting conditions in the specific places we hunt. Then, apply the best strategy that seems to "fit" at the moment.
We all tend to beat ourselves up when things don't pan out. We start second guessing ourselves about the strategies we used. To be sure, there are a number of tactics that can be employed in trying to fool a reluctant gobbler. And just as assuredly, some of those tactics are "polar opposites" of each other. In every instance, we are faced with the decision to take one approach over another. The best we can do is choose one, apply it, and see how the gobbler reacts.
Sometimes we choose the right approach (and become legends in our own minds). ;D :angel9: ....But, as some point, reality is going to set in, at which time we realize that we are not. :D ;) Rest assured, nothing is going to work all the time...and, from what I have seen, ANYTHING will work once in a while. ;D
Over the decades, one lesson stands out, and that is "Just go huntin'...and see what happens"! :toothy9:
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I decided a long time ago I was giving up on falling in love with any particular Gobbler. Sometimes we get stuck on "I got to get that old bird and prove I can beat him". I will rarely if ever spend more then two back to back days targeting one specific gobbler. I hunt the ones that like to play, becasue they are fun and rewarding. If I run in to an old contrary bird, I will leave him and go look elsewhere. I may come back 2-3 hours later and try and strike him. Like I said I won't dog a bird, but I will return to him several times a season and try and catch him on a "horny" day. I will also try different times of day. I may go early and get to his strutt zone before daylight, but in my old age I just don't give a crap that much anymore. I like to hear birds gobble and respond and if I can get him in for a shot great, but I have fun if I don't. Sure, I like to dual an old cagey bird, but I ain't burning my season up on him. The day is coming he'll break and come. If he's on public land that may be to someone else's gun, but that is ok, good for them. I have found sooner or later they all play, just keep going but don't start a love affair with him. He'll learn you as much as you learn him. Most times I will completely pull off a bird and go back to him at the end of season when he's lonely. Also change up calls and the way you approach, like I said they learn about you too. I have killed many "impossible old gobblers" someone tells me they have been after a bird that's unkillable and offers me a chance to go try him. Many times I have killed him on my first try. Why is that? Becasue, I am totally new, new call, new cadance, new tone, new approach, new setup location and usually later season with no hens....Then they say how'd you kill him, I just shrug and say, "skill Baby, SKill". It has nothing to do with skill and all about you and your approach. I don't have any secrets other than I'm different. I have had tha same scenario flip on me, I put someone on a bird and they kill it easy peasy. I'll say it again, don't fall in love with any bird!
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I’d have to say eggshell your spot on. BUT it’s hard not trying to match wits with one and win. I had an old bird I chased, wasted right much time on him. I’d been better off chasing a different bird.
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Hung up, tough gobblers are fun. I will resort to natural woods noises. Scratching leaves with the proper cadence has brought in the toughest gobblers I’ve hunted. Wing beating in the leaves, and if I call, it’s soft feeding purrs. Gobblers that are hung up also can break to a fighting purr. I always have 2 pushpins for this. Finally, pattern his moves, once you know where he is, call, then crawl up towards him to close the distance. Don’t worry, your crawl sounds like a moving Turkey. The terrain dictates this. If he is behind a knoll or hill, this works. You may be surprised, the Tomato head may pop up right in gun range. Patience will get him. Be safe, good luck…
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Fire him and then shut up.
You mean to fire him up, I’m assuming? Call loud and hot then shut up?
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Thank you. I didn’t notice that I had omitted the “up”. As for the “loud and hot”, I usually start by whispering and turn it up until he tells me that he definitely likes what he heard; I then shut up and let him begin to ponder why I didn’t show up.
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Hung up, tough gobblers are fun. I will resort to natural woods noises. Scratching leaves with the proper cadence has brought in the toughest gobblers I’ve hunted. Wing beating in the leaves, and if I call, it’s soft feeding purrs. Gobblers that are hung up also can break to a fighting purr. I always have 2 pushpins for this. Finally, pattern his moves, once you know where he is, call, then crawl up towards him to close the distance. Don’t worry, your crawl sounds like a moving Turkey. The terrain dictates this. If he is behind a knoll or hill, this works. You may be surprised, the Tomato head may pop up right in gun range. Patience will get him. Be safe, good luck…
Scratching leaves has worked really well for me. I try to mimic pecks and intermittent foot steps. If he has hens with him all bets are off.
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Belly crawl
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