I currently have a 1988 1300 NWTF 12ga for my turkey gun. I'm thinking about adding another option that would keep some of the wear and tear off the old gun. I'm considering a 20ga, maybe a Franchi Affinity 3. I never really thought I'd go with a semi-auto but I'm wanting a nice slim lighter gun 24-26" barrel. If anyone has any suggestions on a really great pump I'd take those as well. Just looking for something slightly better than average. I looked at a CZ 1012 but the choke system is incapable with any aftermarket choke systems, so that's a no go for me.
Thanks!
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Quote from: Missouri hunter on February 05, 2021, 11:01:50 AM
I currently have a 1988 1300 NWTF 12ga for my turkey gun. I'm thinking about adding another option that would keep some of the wear and tear off the old gun. I'm considering a 20ga, maybe a Franchi Affinity 3. I never really thought I'd go with a semi-auto but I'm wanting a nice slim lighter gun 24-26" barrel. If anyone has any suggestions on a really great pump I'd take those as well. Just looking for something slightly better than average. I looked at a CZ 1012 but the choke system is incapable with any aftermarket choke systems, so that's a no go for me.
Thanks!
I've got a 1012 that was rethreaded for Invector Plus for the reason you list, but just an update that if you look at Indian Creek's website now they're listing a choke for the 1012. It's honestly a hell of an action. I'd think about that a little.
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Franchi has a purpose built 20ga turkey gun available now.
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Thanks for letting me know that Indian creek picked up the 1012. I didn't find it in my research. Maybe I'll look again. My local gun shop as one in original bottomland.
Quote from: Missouri hunter on February 05, 2021, 11:36:09 AM
Thanks for letting me know that Indian creek picked up the 1012. I didn't find it in my research. Maybe I'll look again. My local gun shop as one in original bottomland.
It's listed as the #0009 option under 12ga with a .670 constriction. Bet it would be mean. At the time I had my work done there were no options. I don't regret having it rethreaded but it forced me to put about $100 into the gun I would've rather spent otherwise. My only complaints with CZ (which I love, owning everything from pistols to three shotguns) is that they moved away from Mobil chokes, which is how their 12ga had been traditionally threaded, and that they only offered the gun in one barrel length. They made it as an overall bird gun, hence the length, and it's a damn good shouldering and wing shooting gun. They just didn't seem to think through the aftermarket choke situation and the potential sale to turkey hunters. Great action, though, at a great price. If you wing shoot at all and aren't married to the idea of a shorter barrel on a turkey gun I'd recommend it, especially now that these IC are available. I imagine we'll see more chokes now, and if the other guns they list on that #0009 have the same threads then honestly those chokes already exist and the companies just haven't been made aware to market them as such. Plenty of after market Beretta A400 chokes available.
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Quote from: Missouri hunter on February 05, 2021, 11:36:09 AM
Thanks for letting me know that Indian creek picked up the 1012. I didn't find it in my research. Maybe I'll look again. My local gun shop as one in original bottomland.
It's listed as the #0009 option under 12ga with a .670 constriction. Bet it would be mean. At the time I had my work done there were no options. I don't regret having it rethreaded but it forced me to put about $100 into the gun I would've rather spent otherwise. My only complaints with CZ (which I love, owning everything from pistols to three shotguns) is that they moved away from Mobil chokes, which is how their 12ga had been traditionally threaded, and that they only offered the gun in one barrel length. They made it as an overall bird gun, hence the length, and it's a damn good shouldering and wing shooting gun. They just didn't seem to think through the aftermarket choke situation and the potential sale to turkey hunters. Great action, though, at a great price. If you wing shoot at all and aren't married to the idea of a shorter barrel on a turkey gun I'd recommend it, especially now that these IC are available. I imagine we'll see more chokes now, and if the other guns they list on that #0009 have the same threads then honestly those chokes already exist and the companies just haven't been made aware to market them as such. Plenty of after market Beretta A400 chokes available.
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Thanks for the info! It's definitely helpful. I really liked the feel of the gun and love the bottomland camo. Indian creek is the choke I want to try on whatever I end up with but after talking to you it will probably be the 1012. I really don't mind staying with a 12ga or a longer barrel.
Love my little Weatherby SA459 in 20 gauge. I have seen some other pretty sweet setups on here too. The thing I like best, it is a turkey only gun, so I set it in the safe at the end of the year, and pick it back up the next year. No choke changing, no sighting it in. I have a bird hunting 20 and a turkey hunting 20. Conserves on ammo and time. Find one you like and have fun.
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Thanks for letting me know that Indian creek picked up the 1012. I didn't find it in my research. Maybe I'll look again. My local gun shop as one in original bottomland.
It's listed as the #0009 option under 12ga with a .670 constriction. Bet it would be mean. At the time I had my work done there were no options. I don't regret having it rethreaded but it forced me to put about $100 into the gun I would've rather spent otherwise. My only complaints with CZ (which I love, owning everything from pistols to three shotguns) is that they moved away from Mobil chokes, which is how their 12ga had been traditionally threaded, and that they only offered the gun in one barrel length. They made it as an overall bird gun, hence the length, and it's a damn good shouldering and wing shooting gun. They just didn't seem to think through the aftermarket choke situation and the potential sale to turkey hunters. Great action, though, at a great price. If you wing shoot at all and aren't married to the idea of a shorter barrel on a turkey gun I'd recommend it, especially now that these IC are available. I imagine we'll see more chokes now, and if the other guns they list on that #0009 have the same threads then honestly those chokes already exist and the companies just haven't been made aware to market them as such. Plenty of after market Beretta A400 chokes available.
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Thanks for the info! It's definitely helpful. I really liked the feel of the gun and love the bottomland camo. Indian creek is the choke I want to try on whatever I end up with but after talking to you it will probably be the 1012. I really don't mind staying with a 12ga or a longer barrel.
Might be worth sending a quick email to IC just to double check but they most certainly list it and if that's right it opens up a lot of options. Last thing I'll add is that the barrel is over-bored pretty heavy at .742 same as most Brownings so that .670 really should pattern incredibly well out of it.
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Quote from: Missouri hunter on February 05, 2021, 11:01:50 AM
I currently have a 1988 1300 NWTF 12ga for my turkey gun. I'm thinking about adding another option that would keep some of the wear and tear off the old gun. I'm considering a 20ga, maybe a Franchi Affinity 3. I never really thought I'd go with a semi-auto but I'm wanting a nice slim lighter gun 24-26" barrel. If anyone has any suggestions on a really great pump I'd take those as well. Just looking for something slightly better than average. I looked at a CZ 1012 but the choke system is incapable with any aftermarket choke systems, so that's a no go for me.
Thanks!
Love those NWTF 1300's. What choke and shell combo do you shoot with it. I use a Jebbs .655. Shoots Hevi-13 #5, and Longbeard 5's real nice. Best of luck on your new turkey build....
If I were going to 20gauge, I`d give a serious look at the RETAY guns. In looking at their site, they apparently have a series of 20s available in a number of camo patterns. Also, as a brand, they have good reviews on ShotgunWorld.
A buddy of mine has a Stoeger 3020 that he seems to like a lot as well.
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Quote from: Missouri hunter on February 05, 2021, 11:01:50 AM
I currently have a 1988 1300 NWTF 12ga for my turkey gun. I'm thinking about adding another option that would keep some of the wear and tear off the old gun. I'm considering a 20ga, maybe a Franchi Affinity 3. I never really thought I'd go with a semi-auto but I'm wanting a nice slim lighter gun 24-26" barrel. If anyone has any suggestions on a really great pump I'd take those as well. Just looking for something slightly better than average. I looked at a CZ 1012 but the choke system is incapable with any aftermarket choke systems, so that's a no go for me.
Thanks!
Love those NWTF 1300's. What choke and shell combo do you shoot with it. I use a Jebbs .655. Shoots Hevi-13 #5, and Longbeard 5's real nice. Best of luck on your new turkey build....
Some of the best turkey guns ever made! I had good results with Long Bread and a Pure Gold .670. They went 140-150 in 10" with number 5 shot, but I ended up giving up on them as they weren't consistent box to box... I now have a Carlson.660 in it and I've got a couple good patterns to 40yds. Double x 5s and federal 6s are both working. I'm running close to the 90 in 10" with the 5s and 100 with the 6s.
Good hunting patterns for me though.
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Quote from: Missouri hunter on February 05, 2021, 11:01:50 AM
I currently have a 1988 1300 NWTF 12ga for my turkey gun. I'm thinking about adding another option that would keep some of the wear and tear off the old gun. I'm considering a 20ga, maybe a Franchi Affinity 3. I never really thought I'd go with a semi-auto but I'm wanting a nice slim lighter gun 24-26" barrel. If anyone has any suggestions on a really great pump I'd take those as well. Just looking for something slightly better than average. I looked at a CZ 1012 but the choke system is incapable with any aftermarket choke systems, so that's a no go for me.
Thanks!
Thank you, good luck with your new build.....
Love those NWTF 1300's. What choke and shell combo do you shoot with it. I use a Jebbs .655. Shoots Hevi-13 #5, and Longbeard 5's real nice. Best of luck on your new turkey build....
Some of the best turkey guns ever made! I had good results with Long Bread and a Pure Gold .670. They went 140-150 in 10" with number 5 shot, but I ended up giving up on them as they weren't consistent box to box... I now have a Carlson.660 in it and I've got a couple good patterns to 40yds. Double x 5s and federal 6s are both working. I'm running close to the 90 in 10" with the 5s and 100 with the 6s.
Good hunting patterns for me though.
Update for anyone interested. I went with the Cz 1012. Should be a good all purpose gun for me. I've ordered the Indian Creek .670 for turkeys. My 1300 win will still be used good weather days!
Quote from: Missouri hunter on February 07, 2021, 02:52:08 PM
Update for anyone interested. I went with the Cz 1012. Should be a good all purpose gun for me. I've ordered the Indian Creek .670 for turkeys. My 1300 win will still be used good weather days!
Good luck, post pattern pics....
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Quote from: Missouri hunter on February 05, 2021, 11:01:50 AM
I currently have a 1988 1300 NWTF 12ga for my turkey gun. I'm thinking about adding another option that would keep some of the wear and tear off the old gun. I'm considering a 20ga, maybe a Franchi Affinity 3. I never really thought I'd go with a semi-auto but I'm wanting a nice slim lighter gun 24-26" barrel. If anyone has any suggestions on a really great pump I'd take those as well. Just looking for something slightly better than average. I looked at a CZ 1012 but the choke system is incapable with any aftermarket choke systems, so that's a no go for me.
Thanks!
I've got a 1012 that was rethreaded for Invector Plus for the reason you list, but just an update that if you look at Indian Creek's website now they're listing a choke for the 1012. It's honestly a hell of an action. I'd think about that a little.
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Have you had any trouble with crimped 3" shells? Cycling some ammo through 1012 manually at the house federal grand slam and long beard (both longer crimped shells) are getting hung up, not wanting to come up to the bolt face. Regular super x, double x and Remington nitro are going through manually just fine.
I haven't shot anything yet but it's not looking good for the longer crimped shells.
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Quote from: Missouri hunter on February 05, 2021, 11:01:50 AM
I currently have a 1988 1300 NWTF 12ga for my turkey gun. I'm thinking about adding another option that would keep some of the wear and tear off the old gun. I'm considering a 20ga, maybe a Franchi Affinity 3. I never really thought I'd go with a semi-auto but I'm wanting a nice slim lighter gun 24-26" barrel. If anyone has any suggestions on a really great pump I'd take those as well. Just looking for something slightly better than average. I looked at a CZ 1012 but the choke system is incapable with any aftermarket choke systems, so that's a no go for me.
Thanks!
I've got a 1012 that was rethreaded for Invector Plus for the reason you list, but just an update that if you look at Indian Creek's website now they're listing a choke for the 1012. It's honestly a hell of an action. I'd think about that a little.
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Have you had any trouble with crimped 3" shells? Cycling some ammo through 1012 manually at the house federal grand slam and long beard (both longer crimped shells) are getting hung up, not wanting to come up to the bolt face. Regular super x, double x and Remington nitro are going through manually just fine.
I haven't shot anything yet but it's not looking good for the longer crimped shells.
I haven't encountered any cycling issues at all. Run everything from 2.3/4 clay shells to 3" Long Beards. As far as turkey loads I've just shot 3" Long Beards, 3" Hevi 13, 3" Win. Double X, and 3" Win. Super X Turkey.
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I see. The long beards might work when actually shooting but I have my doubts about the federal grand slam. Just spent awhile trying to get them out after being jammed tight.
I began turkey hunting with a Browning BPS with a Trulock choke. It took down a number of birds for me and if you are looking for a good pump, I would highly recommend it.
By the way, I now use a CZ Over/Under Turkey Reaper. It's not a pump but man will it put them down.
I like the Weatherby SA-459 turkey or the Tristar G2 turkey. Those would be on my list.
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Sweet spot is a 28ga O/U. ~5#, two hammers and two triggers for reliability and will throw enough TSS to do everything you need and then some. 20ga almost as good.
Unfortunately the Indian creek 0009 does not fit the Cz 1012. I called Indian Creek after the choke wouldn't fit my gun and they called Cz. The 1012 is proprietary to Cz and I'm out of luck for aftermarket chokes, unless I go custom.
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Unfortunately the Indian creek 0009 does not fit the Cz 1012. I called Indian Creek after the choke wouldn't fit my gun and they called Cz. The 1012 is proprietary to Cz and I'm out of luck for aftermarket chokes, unless I go custom.
That would've flat infuriated me. Sorry you're having to deal with it. Why in the world would they list it without knowing?!?
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Quote from: Missouri hunter on February 11, 2021, 04:52:27 PM
Unfortunately the Indian creek 0009 does not fit the Cz 1012. I called Indian Creek after the choke wouldn't fit my gun and they called Cz. The 1012 is proprietary to Cz and I'm out of luck for aftermarket chokes, unless I go custom.
Trulock and Carlsons offer chokes for CZ/Hugla
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Quote from: Missouri hunter on February 11, 2021, 04:52:27 PM
Unfortunately the Indian creek 0009 does not fit the Cz 1012. I called Indian Creek after the choke wouldn't fit my gun and they called Cz. The 1012 is proprietary to Cz and I'm out of luck for aftermarket chokes, unless I go custom.
Trulock and Carlsons offer chokes for CZ/Hugla
It's not the same threading.
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Yeah, I'm not real happy about it. Indian creek will take the choke back and refund me but man I was really excited about it. I guess I'll just have to see what the full choke will do with turkey loads for now and look into a custom choke or threading the barrel for another choke system down the road.
Quote from: Missouri hunter on February 11, 2021, 06:07:17 PM
Yeah, I'm not real happy about it. Indian creek will take the choke back and refund me but man I was really excited about it. I guess I'll just have to see what the full choke will do with turkey loads for now and look into a custom choke or threading the barrel for another choke system down the road.
I've got a buddy running TSS #9s through the provided full and getting some solid patterns. Like I said before, I had mine rethreaded for Invector Plus by Rob Roberts Custom Gun Works and I'm happy with what I'm getting now. As I've said in a previous thread, I bought the CZ 1012 expecting it to be threaded for Mobil chokes as their 12ga has been in the past. When I realized that wasn't the case I started contacting folks. I contacted all the major choke manufacturers from Kicks to Indian Creek to Sumtoy and I wound up making the decision I did based off their responses. Sumtoy did tell me that they could make me a choke if I sent them the barrel. I think those are the two best bets, 1) rethread for invector plus, 2) send to a great choke company like Sumtoy and have them make a choke to fit the current threads.
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Yeah, I'm not real happy about it. Indian creek will take the choke back and refund me but man I was really excited about it. I guess I'll just have to see what the full choke will do with turkey loads for now and look into a custom choke or threading the barrel for another choke system down the road.
I've got a buddy running TSS #9s through the provided full and getting some solid patterns. Like I said before, I had mine rethreaded for Invector Plus by Rob Roberts Custom Gun Works and I'm happy with what I'm getting now. As I've said in a previous thread, I bought the CZ 1012 expecting it to be threaded for Mobil chokes as their 12ga has been in the past. When I realized that wasn't the case I started contacting folks. I contacted all the major choke manufacturers from Kicks to Indian Creek to Sumtoy and I wound up making the decision I did based off their responses. Sumtoy did tell me that they could make me a choke if I sent them the barrel. I think those are the two best bets, 1) rethread for invector plus, 2) send to a great choke company like Sumtoy and have them make a choke to fit the current threads.
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Yes I think I'll try some lead 5s and 6s and see what they'll do with the full choke and then maybe Hevi 7s. I don't know if I can spend the $ for tss. I'll have to see how the gun runs as well. I'd hate to waste the 5 chokes it comes with. I also want to wing shoot with this gun so that'll be fun.
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Yeah, I'm not real happy about it. Indian creek will take the choke back and refund me but man I was really excited about it. I guess I'll just have to see what the full choke will do with turkey loads for now and look into a custom choke or threading the barrel for another choke system down the road.
I've got a buddy running TSS #9s through the provided full and getting some solid patterns. Like I said before, I had mine rethreaded for Invector Plus by Rob Roberts Custom Gun Works and I'm happy with what I'm getting now. As I've said in a previous thread, I bought the CZ 1012 expecting it to be threaded for Mobil chokes as their 12ga has been in the past. When I realized that wasn't the case I started contacting folks. I contacted all the major choke manufacturers from Kicks to Indian Creek to Sumtoy and I wound up making the decision I did based off their responses. Sumtoy did tell me that they could make me a choke if I sent them the barrel. I think those are the two best bets, 1) rethread for invector plus, 2) send to a great choke company like Sumtoy and have them make a choke to fit the current threads.
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Yes I think I'll try some lead 5s and 6s and see what they'll do with the full choke and then maybe Hevi 7s. I don't know if I can spend the $ for tss. I'll have to see how the gun runs as well. I'd hate to waste the 5 chokes it comes with. I also want to wing shoot with this gun so that'll be fun.
That buddy that's running the TSS is a much better and more active wing shooter than me and he's loved it for that. He's a big duck hunter and used it a lot this season. I think you'll love it for that. Shoulders great. And, yeah, the TSS is so high it might be worth just holding off till end of season (taking close 30 and under shots with lead #5s till then) and then using that money to send the barrel off to Sumtoy for them to make you a good turkey choke for next year.
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I look forward to shooting it. It's been cold and nasty all week here in MO, but I might go to an indoor range tomorrow.
I really like the feel of it. Thanks for the help.
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Yeah, I'm not real happy about it. Indian creek will take the choke back and refund me but man I was really excited about it. I guess I'll just have to see what the full choke will do with turkey loads for now and look into a custom choke or threading the barrel for another choke system down the road.
I've got a buddy running TSS #9s through the provided full and getting some solid patterns. Like I said before, I had mine rethreaded for Invector Plus by Rob Roberts Custom Gun Works and I'm happy with what I'm getting now. As I've said in a previous thread, I bought the CZ 1012 expecting it to be threaded for Mobil chokes as their 12ga has been in the past. When I realized that wasn't the case I started contacting folks. I contacted all the major choke manufacturers from Kicks to Indian Creek to Sumtoy and I wound up making the decision I did based off their responses. Sumtoy did tell me that they could make me a choke if I sent them the barrel. I think those are the two best bets, 1) rethread for invector plus, 2) send to a great choke company like Sumtoy and have them make a choke to fit the current threads.
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Brilley made me a custom choke for my Browning Sweet 16. It has a DS choke system, no aftermarket turkey chokes available. They did a great job for 90 bucks. Patterns great. Another option. Good luck....
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Thanks for the recommendation. I have been looking at Briley but didn't know much about them. I might end up trying that.
I just had my first successful turkey hunt with my CZ 1012 and had issues with it not cycling 3" Federal TSS 7-9 turkey shot. Sounds like I'm not alone in this. I sent a message to CZ about it and I'm hoping to hear of a solution/reason. I'll post their response when I receive it.
Also, for those of you looking for a choke for the CZ 1012, patternmaster makes turkey, goose, and several others. I bought and used their turkey choke and I am very happy with it.
I am very fond of my Benelli M2 12ga with pistol grip stock and 21" barrel.
You can get the 20ga with a 24" barrel and the pistol grip stock will fit.
Don't know your budget but might give them a look.
"Buy once Cry once".
It was mentioned on here once about the Retay turkey XT models and the Stoeger M3020-both are great guns. I have an M3020 and will prolly be getting a Retay. Retay is puttin out the Gordion 20 gauge model with a 22" bbl.& pistol grip next year. Also changing up some camo patterns on the Masai Mara line.
Franchi Affinity 3 is what I hunt with now. I shoot TSS 1 5/8 handloads through Carlson's .575 choke, and it is at least a 40yd gun all day long. Before I got my Franchi, I used a Remington 870 20ga. Killed several Birds with it and still take it out a few times during the season. If I were looking today, I would also look at the Stoeger.
Randy
Quote from: Missouri hunter on February 05, 2021, 11:01:50 AM
I currently have a 1988 1300 NWTF 12ga for my turkey gun. I'm thinking about adding another option that would keep some of the wear and tear off the old gun. I'm considering a 20ga, maybe a Franchi Affinity 3. I never really thought I'd go with a semi-auto but I'm wanting a nice slim lighter gun 24-26" barrel. If anyone has any suggestions on a really great pump I'd take those as well. Just looking for something slightly better than average. I looked at a CZ 1012 but the choke system is incapable with any aftermarket choke systems, so that's a no go for me.
Thanks!
I've set up 10+ turkey guns over the past several years. All for shooting tss. Here's my thoughts:
(1) my personal preference is the original Benelli 20 gauge camo montefeltro. If concerned about the Benelli click and you can't fathom in your mind that it's your responsibility to shove the bolt closed and keep it there....put a stiff spring in it and you don't have to worry about it. These guns fit the slim category you say you want....they are simple to clean and operate....and there's very little that can go wrong with them. They are hard to find and command a premium when you do. Keep in mind some European guns don't like to feed longer length shells, so be aware up front that you'll need to shoot shells loaded within the Over All Length capacity of the gun.
(2) for a gun that shoots well, has a lot of historical data on chokes/load combos, and has endless capabilities for customization.....Remington 870 youth model with a 21" barrel. Economic choice, shoots good, and plenty of data to get started on chokes and loads.
(3) browning micro Midas BPS youth......they are shooters.
Stay away from gas guns if you ever plan on doing handloads and powder changes, etc..... the capability on gas autoloaders to cause you issues with powders designed for pistols and other uses is there. You can overgas one, even with "proven" recipes.