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Just curious how many of you think, at this point, that the pandemic is likely to adversely effect your season next year?

I'm cautiously optimistic, but also try to be realistic, and can definitely see the possibility of cancelled plans again next year. For those "socially distanced" solo hunts, it should be game on, but I have been going to Alabama for the past 20 years and staying with one of my best friends for at least a week. I can see that being a no go next year unless there's a major breakthrough with regards to coronavirus.

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I can see it spilling over to next season , especially if there is a "fall bloom". I am not making any plans to travel next year. Good Luck and God Bless, Al

Quote from: Neill_Prater on September 18, 2020, 09:15:33 AM
Just curious how many of you think, at this point, that the pandemic is likely to adversely effect your season next year?

I'm cautiously optimistic, but also try to be realistic, and can definitely see the possibility of cancelled plans again next year. For those "socially distanced" solo hunts, it should be game on, but I have been going to Alabama for the past 20 years and staying with one of my best friends for at least a week. I can see that being a no go next year unless there's a major breakthrough with regards to coronavirus.

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Right there with you. I usually hunt with a good friend from high school , 50+ years ago, hunted, fished and played ball together. Reconnected at reunion. He owns/leases and manages ( Auburn trained forester ) very close to 600 acres here in Georgia. Turkeys everywhere. This past season, no go. His wife has respiratory issues, so going to the camp was out. TOTALLY understand. If we can get a vaccine in play before the season, it`ll probably be game on again! I just miss sitting on the camp porch with my good friend, a glass of Makers Mark, and watching the sun go down over the pines.

I really hope not, I am so over this stuff. Look what happend down here where I live yesterday. I am about 40 miles north of Nashville. And we are expected to believe these idiots and listen to their demands which are unconstitutional.

This was discovered by a local reporter this guy destroyed lives and families

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://fox17.com/amp/news/local/covid-19-emails-from-nashville-mayors-office-show-disturbing-revelation&ved=0ahUKEwii5abh8PLrAhUS2VkKHQb7BZUQyM8BCCowAA&usg=AOvVaw30tg2xnaY7Sn6OGKTz63fJ&ampcf=1

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This is from Tucker Carlson last night


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tucker-carlson-says-alleged-nashville-coronavirus-data-cover-up-other-obfuscations-unforgivable.amp&ved=0ahUKEwii5abh8PLrAhUS2VkKHQb7BZUQyM8BCDkwAg&usg=AOvVaw2Xm8NTXy10RpFvMYqR-rtZ&ampcf=1

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I really don't think it will interfere that much with your travel plan's in the spring of 2021, you can pretty much travel were you want to go now . I do think it will still effect the gathering of large crowds, but for going to visit a friend and hunting in another state , i think you will be good to go. Just my opinion ..

I told a friend when this first started that I could see this lasting two and a half to three years and I have seen nothing to change my mind as of yet, though I truly hope I am wrong. I was supposed to do my first out of state hunt last Spring in PA with somebody I know and that all got messed up so I am hoping that it will happen this Spring.

My plans to go to Oklahoma to hunt got shot when the person that was supposed to take me got busted riding in a vehicle full of drugs (He did not know he says) so that trip is off for 3 years.

If you can drive to your destination, I can't see why any plans would change.  I believe we will have a vaccine.  Maybe not wild spread distribution but it will be available.  Many people will be back to work, so the woods won't be as crowded as this spring since this thing exploded in March.  If I get the chance, I'll be on the road somewhere.  I will take precautions and make good decisions but I WILL NOT allow it to define my life. 

I don't think the vaccine will be widely available by the Spring if one is to believe the head of the CDC. Having said that, I am going to put a bunch of miles on my vehicle if need be. I doubt the Game and Fish departments are going to shut down NR hunters again this Spring and most states are allowing folks to travel to their state without a quarantine and some even now are voiding the quarantine with recent proof of a negative test. I often fly to hunt out of state. Will do less of that probably, but plan on getting after the birds full tilt next Spring. I am retired, so driving is not really a limiting factor.

Absolutely no reason not to go hunt. I hunted Texas in the middle of it last April and had no problems. Will be in Texas in a few weeks for the deer season open and plan to hunt Ala, Miss, Texas and Michigan for turkey this season. If you are driving to these places to hunt, there is nothing to keep you from hunting. Go enjoy the outdoors where most of the time you are by yourself anyway.

Vitamin D, C , Magnesium and Zinc.  Hydroxychloroquine and Z-Pak should you catch it.   No Bill Gates/Big Pharma vaccine for me, and I am 72 and have Diabetes.  I have intentionally lost 15 pounds for, not due to, the virus.  Damned communist bat-eating Chinese.

After the November election if Harris/Biden wins it'll mysteriously start to clear up. If Trump wins it'll kill 10,000s more and we'll get another lock down. That is until George Soros comes up with another plan to attack Trump. Bubba

Quote from: silvestris on September 18, 2020, 02:27:42 PM
Vitamin D, C , Magnesium and Zinc.  Hydroxychloroquine and Z-Pak should you catch it.   No Bill Gates/Big Pharma vaccine for me, and I am 72 and have Diabetes.  I have intentionally lost 15 pounds for, not due to, the virus.  Damned communist bat-eating Chinese.

Everyone will have to make their own choice. This thing went to hell in a hand basket when politics was applied to a biological entity. It don`t care what or who you are. We`re just fodder for it.  By training, I`m a clinical microbiologist and was one in the Army, so I`ve seen what these things do up close and personal. I`m also 72 with familial hypertension.

Me, I`ll be first in line for a vaccine if I can be. But that`s just me.

Quote from: ChiefBubba on September 18, 2020, 03:00:38 PM
After the November election if Harris/Biden wins it'll mysteriously start to clear up. If Trump wins it'll kill 10,000s more and we'll get another lock down. That is until George Soros comes up with another plan to attack Trump. Bubba

This^  A vaccine won't help anything. The Left has already starting rejecting any vaccine that should come.  It's simple.. as long as Trump is in office, they will do everything in their power to keep COVID dramatized.  Bad economy = people want change. It's a political virus.. nothing more.  Yes, there are some risks for those older folks, but I can assure you there MANY other things that can kill you before China virus. Things you would never think of.   As for kids under 25... you have a better chance of dying from a plastic grocery bag....truth

As for the real concern... It's after Nov 3rd.  It may take weeks/months for them to sort out the winner. If Trump wins (and I think he will) they won't accept it and there will be a full on war...

I'm making plans but any reservations will be something that can be cancelled without cost.

Well, I've got a tentative plan for next spring. 1) hunt MO with my buddy Neill, 2) hunt KY on my way back home to NY, and 3) hunt NY and PA. Those plans could very easily be negated if this situation persists. One thing I've stated all along is that this virus isn't going away, we're likely to have it forever...it will be a situation of whether or not an effective vaccine is produced, and don't bet on it one way or the other, politics aside. Example: where's the cure for the common cold...ain't one and probably never will be. Where's the cure for flu...ain't one and probably never will be. In both cases all they do is treat/lessen the effects with a vaccine/medications. Let's face it...as I've stated multiple times...almost everyone will be exposed to the coronavirus sooner or later. You're either going to be not affected, mildly affected, severely affected and live or die. Just the way it is. Now...if you're in the "at risk" group of pre-existing conditions, obese, old age, etc. about all you can do is cross your fingers. I'm not a "doomsdayer", just a realist. On a personal note I'm in pretty good shape, although 75. My concern is my wife...a 4 time cancer survivor with respiratory issues.

Quote from: Yelper on September 18, 2020, 01:42:40 PM
Absolutely no reason not to go hunt. I hunted Texas in the middle of it last April and had no problems. Will be in Texas in a few weeks for the deer season open and plan to hunt Ala, Miss, Texas and Michigan for turkey this season. If you are driving to these places to hunt, there is nothing to keep you from hunting. Go enjoy the outdoors where most of the time you are by yourself anyway.

With all due respect, this ain't exactly the truth. I live in Texas and got stopped by the State Troopers on I10 coming back home from hunting in Mississippi this year. Had to fill out a form stating that I would quarantine for 14 days and that they could/would send state police to verify my presence at my quarantine location (which I had to specify on the form). Just because one person does not get stopped doesn't mean another person will not.

And before everyone goes piling on with "I'd of done this or that" just stop right there before you post it. I'm as hardnosed don't vilolate my rights as anyone on here, but when you have your wife and kids in the car, you'll bite your tongue and do a lot of stuff you may not do otherwise. Especially when everyone has been on the road and just wants to get home.

None of us can tell the future. I am planning on traveling like I always do this coming season. Just keep an awareness for checking the rules before you travel and you should be good. Plan your routes and adjust accordingly if need. Remember, there's folks that got in trouble for not quarantined while on vacation. You are subject to local laws, whether you want to be or not.

QuoteWith all due respect, this ain't exactly the truth. I live in Texas and got stopped by the State Troopers on I10 coming back home from hunting in Mississippi this year. Had to fill out a form stating that I would quarantine for 14 days and that they could/would send state police to verify my presence at my quarantine location (which I had to specify on the form). Just because one person does not get stopped doesn't mean another person will not.

That only applied to people traveling into Texas through Louisiana at that time. Paying attention to what each state is doing is important.

Quite frankly I think I will wait and see how fast the first hundred billion people get sick before I take any form of rushed and unproven/unknown vaccine.

I think it's all a wait and see game at the moment , but i would still make plan's to go hunting out of state or wherever your wanting to go. Just remember think smart and use hand sanitizer etc.  These clinical trials , will provide us with lot's of information on these vaccines. I will try to look at the positive sides of all of this , than thinking negative. It's just like leaving the house going spring turkey hunting , i always think positive about this is going to be the morning i'm putting the flop on that gobbler , if i left the house thinking negative all the time , why not just say home .. just my little old opinion.

Quote from: Greg Massey on September 18, 2020, 11:43:09 PM
I think it's all a wait and see game at the moment , but i would still make plan's to go hunting out of state or wherever your wanting to go. Just remember think smart and use hand sanitizer etc.  These clinical trials , will provide us with lot's of information on these vaccines. I will try to look at the positive sides of all of this , than thinking negative. It's just like leaving the house going spring turkey hunting , i always think positive about this is going to be the morning i'm putting the flop on that gobbler , if i left the house thinking negative all the time , why not just say home .. just my little old opinion.

Nothing wrong with thinking positive, that's for sure. Hasn't helped my hair grow back though. :'(

Quote from: Sir-diealot on September 19, 2020, 12:46:12 AM

Quote from: Greg Massey on September 18, 2020, 11:43:09 PM
I think it's all a wait and see game at the moment , but i would still make plan's to go hunting out of state or wherever your wanting to go. Just remember think smart and use hand sanitizer etc.  These clinical trials , will provide us with lot's of information on these vaccines. I will try to look at the positive sides of all of this , than thinking negative. It's just like leaving the house going spring turkey hunting , i always think positive about this is going to be the morning i'm putting the flop on that gobbler , if i left the house thinking negative all the time , why not just say home .. just my little old opinion.

Nothing wrong with thinking positive, that's for sure. Hasn't helped my hair grow back though. :'(

Takes a man to grow hair ..  O0

Quote from: Greg Massey on September 19, 2020, 10:04:40 AM

Quote from: Sir-diealot on September 19, 2020, 12:46:12 AM

Quote from: Greg Massey on September 18, 2020, 11:43:09 PM
I think it's all a wait and see game at the moment , but i would still make plan's to go hunting out of state or wherever your wanting to go. Just remember think smart and use hand sanitizer etc.  These clinical trials , will provide us with lot's of information on these vaccines. I will try to look at the positive sides of all of this , than thinking negative. It's just like leaving the house going spring turkey hunting , i always think positive about this is going to be the morning i'm putting the flop on that gobbler , if i left the house thinking negative all the time , why not just say home .. just my little old opinion.

Nothing wrong with thinking positive, that's for sure. Hasn't helped my hair grow back though. :'(

Takes a man to grow hair ..  O0

So where did you rent yours from?;)

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On a positive note, we will be in the woods. I think we will have this controlled by Feb, 2021. This is America, we defeat everything. Be safe, be proud.....

Quote from: Greg Massey on September 18, 2020, 11:43:09 PM
I think it's all a wait and see game at the moment , but i would still make plan's to go hunting out of state or wherever your wanting to go. Just remember think smart and use hand sanitizer etc.  These clinical trials , will provide us with lot's of information on these vaccines. I will try to look at the positive sides of all of this , than thinking negative. It's just like leaving the house going spring turkey hunting , i always think positive about this is going to be the morning i'm putting the flop on that gobbler , if i left the house thinking negative all the time , why not just say home .. just my little old opinion.

Ditto. No reason not to plan to go hunting next Spring IMO. Went this last season, so why not this coming year? Sure didn`t worry about contagion sitting there in the woods talking with a gobbler! Just take appropriate precautions.  JMHO, but I think we`ll have a safe and effective vaccine by then anyway.

I am a Family Physician who just ordered a Covid 19 test one my father. My practice is on the front lines of dealing with the Chinese virus. The only thing that will obviate this pandemic is the widespread administration of vaccine. The vaccine may require two doses months apart. It will require vaccination of a significant portion of the population to decrease the transmission of this virus. It will be many months before we see things return to more normal.

Quote from: DOCHAYES on September 21, 2020, 02:15:09 PM
I am a Family Physician who just ordered a Covid 19 test one my father. My practice is on the front lines of dealing with the Chinese virus. The only thing that will obviate this pandemic is the widespread administration of vaccine. The vaccine may require two doses months apart. It will require vaccination of a significant portion of the population to decrease the transmission of this virus. It will be many months before we see things return to more normal.

I can't see a Physician especially one on the front lines referring to this as "the Chinese virus."  Only 1 post makes me wonder all the more. Sorry if I am wrong but I do not think so. Even if I am wrong I will let the first hundred billion people take it and wait 10 years to see how it affects them before I will ever take a rushed and widely untested vaccine.

I've made plans and I'm optimistic about next spring. As far as the media... haven't watched the new since early June. I was diagnosed with Lymes Disease during the looting and rioting and all the other crazy stuff going on in this country. A lot of good goes on in this country every single day...but rarely the media wants to tell you about it. Sad


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Quote from: Sir-diealot on September 21, 2020, 07:41:11 PM

Quote from: DOCHAYES on September 21, 2020, 02:15:09 PM
I am a Family Physician who just ordered a Covid 19 test one my father. My practice is on the front lines of dealing with the Chinese virus. The only thing that will obviate this pandemic is the widespread administration of vaccine. The vaccine may require two doses months apart. It will require vaccination of a significant portion of the population to decrease the transmission of this virus. It will be many months before we see things return to more normal.

I can't see a Physician especially one on the front lines referring to this as "the Chinese virus."  Only 1 post makes me wonder all the more. Sorry if I am wrong but I do not think so. Even if I am wrong I will let the first hundred billion people take it and wait 10 years to see how it affects them before I will ever take a rushed and widely untested vaccine.

Just curious SD,what would constitute a "widely tested " vaccine in your opinion? Do you feel the phase IIIs are too small? You don`t actually mean you`d need to see 100 billion people over 10 years, do you?

Quote from: Turkeytider on September 21, 2020, 10:08:23 PM

Quote from: Sir-diealot on September 21, 2020, 07:41:11 PM

Quote from: DOCHAYES on September 21, 2020, 02:15:09 PM
I am a Family Physician who just ordered a Covid 19 test one my father. My practice is on the front lines of dealing with the Chinese virus. The only thing that will obviate this pandemic is the widespread administration of vaccine. The vaccine may require two doses months apart. It will require vaccination of a significant portion of the population to decrease the transmission of this virus. It will be many months before we see things return to more normal.

I can't see a Physician especially one on the front lines referring to this as "the Chinese virus."  Only 1 post makes me wonder all the more. Sorry if I am wrong but I do not think so. Even if I am wrong I will let the first hundred billion people take it and wait 10 years to see how it affects them before I will ever take a rushed and widely untested vaccine.

Just curious SD,what would constitute a "widely tested " vaccine in your opinion? Do you feel the phase IIIs are too small? You don`t actually mean you`d need to see 100 billion people over 10 years, do you?

I feel there needs to many years of testing as well as many years of seeing the results of those that have taken the vaccine to see what the side effects are if any and how bad they may be, could be the cure is worse than the cause. I feel it to be unwise to just take a drug without knowing the side effects over time.

Quote from: Sir-diealot on September 22, 2020, 03:44:12 AM

Quote from: Turkeytider on September 21, 2020, 10:08:23 PM

Quote from: Sir-diealot on September 21, 2020, 07:41:11 PM

Quote from: DOCHAYES on September 21, 2020, 02:15:09 PM
I am a Family Physician who just ordered a Covid 19 test one my father. My practice is on the front lines of dealing with the Chinese virus. The only thing that will obviate this pandemic is the widespread administration of vaccine. The vaccine may require two doses months apart. It will require vaccination of a significant portion of the population to decrease the transmission of this virus. It will be many months before we see things return to more normal.

I can't see a Physician especially one on the front lines referring to this as "the Chinese virus."  Only 1 post makes me wonder all the more. Sorry if I am wrong but I do not think so. Even if I am wrong I will let the first hundred billion people take it and wait 10 years to see how it affects them before I will ever take a rushed and widely untested vaccine.

Just curious SD,what would constitute a "widely tested " vaccine in your opinion? Do you feel the phase IIIs are too small? You don`t actually mean you`d need to see 100 billion people over 10 years, do you?

I feel there needs to many years of testing as well as many years of seeing the results of those that have taken the vaccine to see what the side effects are if any and how bad they may be, could be the cure is worse than the cause. I feel it to be unwise to just take a drug without knowing the side effects over time.

Fair enough, friend. Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion on this matter.

Many of you are probably not old enough to have personally known someone who had polio. I am. Two people in my small hometown when I was growing up were confined to wheelchairs and could only walk short distances with the help of crutches and leg braces. My brother's first wife's father, a physician in the Navy, died from poliomyelitis when she was a child.

I was too young at the time to be aware of such things, but I have no doubt when the polio vaccine was first released in the 50's, that there were plenty of naysayers.

I hear all the arguments every year about the flu vaccine, even from family members: I took a flu shot once, and got sick. They don't work because they never get the right strain. I've even been told that it's a way for the government to get your DNA.

I have had, conservatively, probably 50 plus vaccinations against influenza, including the swine flu and H1N1, and the worst thing that's ever happened to me is a slightly sore arm a couple of times, which I suspect is more a result of the technique of the person administering the vaccine than the vaccine itself.

I am guessing that millions of those effected by the Spanish flu 100 years ago would have liked to have had the opportunity to try out a vaccine. My grandfather was a physician, beginning practice in 1903, and spoke of going for days at a time without ever going to bed, driven from one household to another, trying to do what he could for those infected with the virus. In the 70's an older gentleman I knew told of his entire family being afflicted, each too sick to try and care for anyone else. He thought they would all die. His fever was so high that it killed all the hair follicles on his head, so he had no eyebrows.

This whole attitude of so many regarding vaccines, masks, social distancing, personal rights, etc, etc, reminds me of a story I once heard about an extremely devout man who lived on the Gulf when a hurricane, not unlike those recently, brought deluges of rain and massive flooding.

When the water was a few feet from his home, a neighbor stopped by in his rowboat and tried to get the man to hop in and leave. The gentleman declined, stating he had faith in the Lord, and that he would be safe.

After the waters inundated his home, and he was forced to take shelter on the second floor balcony, a man in an airboat stopped and begged the man to jump in so he could take him to safety. Again the man refused, saying he had complete faith in the Lord, and new He would protect him.

Eventually the water rose to the man's roof, and as he straddled the peak, a Coast Guard helicopter hovered above and dropped a line, imploring the man over a bullhorn to slip into the harness and let them lift him to safety. Once again, the man waved them off and shouted that he had faith in the Lord.

Moments later, the horrified crew watched helplessly as the home collapsed and the man was swept away and pulled under by the current.

When the man appeared before God, he asked why he drowned when he believed he should have been spared because of his faith.

The Lord said, "I sent a rowboat, an airboat, and a helicopter, what more do you want?"

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Quote from: Neill_Prater on September 24, 2020, 01:27:31 AM
Many of you are probably not old enough to have personally known someone who had polio. I am. Two people in my small hometown when I was growing up were confined to wheelchairs and could only walk short distances with the help of crutches and leg braces. My brother's first wife's father, a physician in the Navy, died from poliomyelitis when she was a child.

I was too young at the time to be aware of such things, but I have no doubt when the polio vaccine was first released in the 50's, that there were plenty of naysayers.

I hear all the arguments every year about the flu vaccine, even from family members: I took a flu shot once, and got sick. They don't work because they never get the right strain. I've even been told that it's a way for the government to get your DNA.

I have had, conservatively, probably 50 plus vaccinations against influenza, including the swine flu and H1N1, and the worst thing that's ever happened to me is a slightly sore arm a couple of times, which I suspect is more a result of the technique of the person administering the vaccine than the vaccine itself.

I am guessing that millions of those effected by the Spanish flu 100 years ago would have liked to have had the opportunity to try out a vaccine. My grandfather was a physician, beginning practice in 1903, and spoke of going for days at a time without ever going to bed, driven from one household to another, trying to do what he could for those infected with the virus. In the 70's an older gentleman I knew told of his entire family being afflicted, each too sick to try and care for anyone else. He thought they would all die. His fever was so high that it killed all the hair follicles on his head, so he had no eyebrows.

This whole attitude of so many regarding vaccines, masks, social distancing, personal rights, etc, etc, reminds me of a story I once heard about an extremely devout man who lived on the Gulf when a hurricane, not unlike those recently, brought deluges of rain and massive flooding.

When the water was a few feet from his home, a neighbor stopped by in his rowboat and tried to get the man to hop in and leave. The gentleman declined, stating he had faith in the Lord, and that he would be safe.

After the waters inundated his home, and he was forced to take shelter on the second floor balcony, a man in an airboat stopped and begged the man to jump in so he could take him to safety. Again the man refused, saying he had complete faith in the Lord, and new He would protect him.

Eventually the water rose to the man's roof, and as he straddled the peak, a Coast Guard helicopter hovered above and dropped a line, imploring the man over a bullhorn to slip into the harness and let them lift him to safety. Once again, the man waved them off and shouted that he had faith in the Lord.

Moments later, the horrified crew watched helplessly as the home collapsed and the man was swept away and pulled under by the current.

When the man appeared before God, he asked why he drowned when he believed he should have been spared because of his faith.

The Lord said, "I sent a rowboat, an airboat, and a helicopter, what more do you want?"

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I remember it, although I was very young. Yes, there were nay sayers, but what what I remember best was the abject terror that polio induced and the feeling that the vaccine was a godsend. Which it was. I think if there was a little deeper understanding of the process through which vaccines are developed and tested there wouldn`t be quite so much reticence on the part of many. As they`re apt to do however, as soon as the politicians became involved, and it became politicized, that was the ballgame. This is a biological entity that doesn`t give a damn about politics. The ONLY thing that matters to it is the availability of hosts. Us. All of us.

Quote from: Neill_Prater on September 24, 2020, 01:27:31 AM
Many of you are probably not old enough to have personally known someone who had polio. I am. Two people in my small hometown when I was growing up were confined to wheelchairs and could only walk short distances with the help of crutches and leg braces. My brother's first wife's father, a physician in the Navy, died from poliomyelitis when she was a child.

I was too young at the time to be aware of such things, but I have no doubt when the polio vaccine was first released in the 50's, that there were plenty of naysayers.

I hear all the arguments every year about the flu vaccine, even from family members: I took a flu shot once, and got sick. They don't work because they never get the right strain. I've even been told that it's a way for the government to get your DNA.

I have had, conservatively, probably 50 plus vaccinations against influenza, including the swine flu and H1N1, and the worst thing that's ever happened to me is a slightly sore arm a couple of times, which I suspect is more a result of the technique of the person administering the vaccine than the vaccine itself.

I am guessing that millions of those effected by the Spanish flu 100 years ago would have liked to have had the opportunity to try out a vaccine. My grandfather was a physician, beginning practice in 1903, and spoke of going for days at a time without ever going to bed, driven from one household to another, trying to do what he could for those infected with the virus. In the 70's an older gentleman I knew told of his entire family being afflicted, each too sick to try and care for anyone else. He thought they would all die. His fever was so high that it killed all the hair follicles on his head, so he had no eyebrows.

This whole attitude of so many regarding vaccines, masks, social distancing, personal rights, etc, etc, reminds me of a story I once heard about an extremely devout man who lived on the Gulf when a hurricane, not unlike those recently, brought deluges of rain and massive flooding.

When the water was a few feet from his home, a neighbor stopped by in his rowboat and tried to get the man to hop in and leave. The gentleman declined, stating he had faith in the Lord, and that he would be safe.

After the waters inundated his home, and he was forced to take shelter on the second floor balcony, a man in an airboat stopped and begged the man to jump in so he could take him to safety. Again the man refused, saying he had complete faith in the Lord, and new He would protect him.

Eventually the water rose to the man's roof, and as he straddled the peak, a Coast Guard helicopter hovered above and dropped a line, imploring the man over a bullhorn to slip into the harness and let them lift him to safety. Once again, the man waved them off and shouted that he had faith in the Lord.

Moments later, the horrified crew watched helplessly as the home collapsed and the man was swept away and pulled under by the current.

When the man appeared before God, he asked why he drowned when he believed he should have been spared because of his faith.

The Lord said, "I sent a rowboat, an airboat, and a helicopter, what more do you want?"

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My uncle Benny had polio when he was young. I do remember the one shoe much more built up on one side than the other to make up for the way his body was deformed, the braces and the hunched back. It does not however change my mind about trying something untested for a period of time.

I remember reading about John Adams family being treated with an experimental procedure where they injected some cells from I think it may have been smallpox into the body. It helped some including most members of his family (Read John Adams by David McCullough for more information) but it also killed many.
Here, I dug this up.

Inoculation for Smallpox

In 1775, inoculation against smallpox was not new; it had been used in America for several decades with reasonable success, albeit with great danger.   It was also very controversial.

Not long after the Adams family was inoculated, Dr. Edward Jenner substantially improved the procedure.

A cut was made in the healthy arm, and a small amount of skin lesions from infected pustules were introduced. Then the arm was bandaged. It purported to give the patient a "light" case and subsequent immunity. Many people could not understand the concept of this practice, however it had a high success rate. A patient needed at least a full month for preparation, for the inoculation to be administered, to take hold, to "suffer the light case" – sometimes far more severe than anticipated, to recover, and to be no longer contagious.

In short, it was not to be undertaken lightly.

https://featherfoster.wordpress.com/2017/12/04/abigail-adams-and-the-inoculation-decision/

Quote from: Yelper on September 18, 2020, 01:42:40 PM
Absolutely no reason not to go hunt. I hunted Texas in the middle of it last April and had no problems. Will be in Texas in a few weeks for the deer season open and plan to hunt Ala, Miss, Texas and Michigan for turkey this season. If you are driving to these places to hunt, there is nothing to keep you from hunting. Go enjoy the outdoors where most of the time you are by yourself anyway.

X2, we all hunted last year during the worst stage of this unnecessary plague. We know more now, have medical help on the way. The safest place to be is alone outdoors. We will beat this thing...be safe....

I canceled my trip to Black Hills in May last year. If I had the chance to do it over I would have gone.

I will be going next spring...........along with a couple million other people. To each his own.

Only issue I had this past season was Nebraska cut off non res tags, I hunted Illinois, Missouri, Wisconsin, Indiana and Michigan with no issue, other than Michigan having a new license system that gave me fits!   

I've been checking the web sites of a few well established outfitters in the WY/SD Black Hills area.  The one thing I noticed is no apparent price increases.  Very leery about sending anyone a deposit after hearing some stories from this past spring.

It's looking more and more each day like travel in 2021 will continue to be affected by COVID. With another wave supposedly emerging, air travelers to winter ski destinations are being hit with self-quarantining orders or testing requirements. Driving may be the best option again.

I agree that driving is the way to go,...and with minimal interactions and contact with other folks, both for their benefit and our own.  I suspect the biggest question for the traveling turkey hunter will be whether the covid situation reaches the point where interstate travel is not only restricted, but also ENFORCED next spring. 

I don't really think that is going to happen at this juncture, but if we don't get our sh*t together as a country in the near future, it just might!

When it comes to COVID politics obfuscates the issues. I live in Massachusetts and plan to go to Kentucky and hunt turkeys and hunt for good bourbon. I will not let this disease cancel my plans unless Kentucky closes its borders. The world survived the Spanish Influenza and it will survive COVID. I really believe politics is keeping the truth out of the conversation. Common Sense is a rare commodity these days.  :z-twocents:

Some of it makes no sense. The NM governor has now decreed that virtually all out of state visitors must quarantine for 14 days or for the duration of their stay even with a negative Covid test taken shortly before arrival. This includes folks from Colorado and other bordering states. NM has a high rate of infection, yet their citizens are free to travel to virtually every state except a few in the Northeast without the same restrictions. I do not understand why any governor is able to unilaterally issue such orders.

Quote from: Yelper on September 18, 2020, 01:42:40 PM
Absolutely no reason not to go hunt. I hunted Texas in the middle of it last April and had no problems. Will be in Texas in a few weeks for the deer season open and plan to hunt Ala, Miss, Texas and Michigan for turkey this season. If you are driving to these places to hunt, there is nothing to keep you from hunting. Go enjoy the outdoors where most of the time you are by yourself anyway.

Agreed here, anyone that drives to their turkey destination will be fine. There may be COVID case increases, but the death rate should remain low due to the available therapeutics. Be safe, see you in the spring woods...

Quote from: PalmettoRon on October 24, 2020, 11:05:38 AM
Some of it makes no sense. The NM governor has now decreed that virtually all out of state visitors must quarantine for 14 days or for the duration of their stay even with a negative Covid test taken shortly before arrival. This includes folks from Colorado and other bordering states. NM has a high rate of infection, yet their citizens are free to travel to virtually every state except a few in the Northeast without the same restrictions. I do not understand why any governor is able to unilaterally issue such orders.

Almost nobody follows this, I am living in Santa Fe, lot's of out of state folks around, no way they waited 14 days to go out and do something!  And they shouldn't have too.

Pretty easy to keep distance and wear a mask in close quarters!

Everyone has to make their own decisions when it comes to this. Historically these things last 18-24 months before subsiding. I'm my opinion the vaccine will help things but I also think we will always be dealing with this virus to some degree from here on out. Wearing a mask and avoiding crowds is probably the best way to curb this thing. What's really worrying to me is people I know who have had it and still have symptoms months after the fact. I know 2 middle aged people who now have scaring on their lungs from it. Another person in theirs 30s like me has constant fatigue and brain fog which has made it difficult to perform at work. If folks do travel they should just do it respectfully and responsibly i.e. wear a mask in public and socially distance.

My family had it in July.  I've summed it up like this, I've been sicker, but I've never been sick like that.  Had fever 8 days.  The thing is first don't live in denial and be considerate of others.  If you are exposed you can get it and you can give it.  After having it I'm no expert but I am experienced. 

In regards to travel, yes I'm intending to kill a few turkeys that aren't local so I'm going to go where I have the opportunity to go.  Turkey season got closed in a few places this spring but I don't know of any big game this fall so I'm not worried about seasons being cancelled.

I would expect the quota hunt at Oak Ridge TN will get shut down again. So I doubt I'll apply to it. Otherwise, I don't expect any impact.


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I will be going wherever physically possible unless stopped some how by law. Camping out and hunting solo most likely

Just completed a elk hunt out west.

I see no reason for people to confine themselves. Go solo vs camping with people if you want, no harm there


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I'm generally an optimist but can't help but be pessimistic re:long term Covid. Let's face it...this may very well be around for several years. Vaccine...if and when...how effective? My plans for next spring are MO, KY, PA and home state of gestapo NY. It will be a wait and see situation.

Just got back from Antelope hunt/fly fishing trip in WY. From what I've read flying seems to be relatively safe. Was either in the field or on a stream while in WY. I think these days that's about as safe as you can get, for everyone.

So I'll be flying to Black hills this spring.

I've only had flu shot once in my life. Never had the flu. I will get a flu shot this year. When Covid vaccine comes out I'll get that shot also. If I want to travel and do the things I love then I'm obligated to do what I can to stop the spread of Covid and the flu.

Didn't let it slow me down much last year - just changed some of the states I had planned on and encouraged me to buy licenses ahead of time I may have waited until I got there for.  Which in turn led to eating more tags than I care to admit but the goal was to hunt every possible day and that I did.  Also ended up doing everything solo as it changed the work schedule for my traveling partner (he was off!)

I will continue to "chase 49" next year.. being I think every state is back open to non-residents now I do not foresee the same issue with states shutting down happening again so should be in good shape.  I do have 1 trip I plan to fly out for (pacific nw), everything else will drive. 

Local buzz is that non residents will need the covid vaccine , if it is available, before hunting next year. This is only a rumor from a game warden. I can find no mention of it on the F&G website or state govt page. I will say I live in a rural area, but the larger towns and cities are predicting another spike here soon. I am a believer in our state motto," Live Free or Die", but the panic button is lit up here. If we get a school system or municipakity shut down here, I fear the domino effect happening. The population here has changed from the old hard working tradespeople and loggers and fishermen to the 20 hour a week, telework culture. This scares me. I am going to concentrate on my home state next year and try to pull off a " Quintuple" next year. All 3 kids and my wife and myself, lol. Go big or go home. Good luck and God Bless.

Quote from: zelmo1 on October 27, 2020, 09:16:48 AM
Local buzz is that non residents will need the covid vaccine , if it is available, before hunting next year. This is only a rumor from a game warden. I can find no mention of it on the F&G website or state govt page.

If true, that seems beatable in court with Hipaa laws in Maine or elsewhere.

I asked the same question, about Hippa laws. Like I said, it is a rumor. But if it is a public safety issue and there is any "trouble/law suits" they could just cancel season. We all wear a diaper if on person craps their pants.  :OGturkeyhead:

Obey, it is the American way these days.

Generally speaking, the real problem I have regarding covid is all of the uncertainty associated with it.  I am uncertain about who has it in my interactions with other folks.  I am uncertain about how easily I might get it if those interactions just happen to be with the wrong folks. Most importantly, I am uncertain if I, or one of my friends or loved ones, might die if I get it and spread it to them. 

Regardless of all the nonsense about "well, it only kills 3% of the people that get it", I am doing all I can to ensure that I, and nobody else I know, might turn out to be part of that 3%.  ...And then again, I am not even going to get into the long-term health issues that are reportedly quite common from those folks that get it and survive it....

It is really pretty simple.  Wear a damn mask when out in public and keep your distance from other folks. 

Correct Gobble Nut. Live life. Enjoy the outdoors, but be responsible.

Gobblenut all of what you said and adding that what is never discussed when the 3% comes up is the costs associated with and extended stay in the hospital. My last hospital stay which was almost 10 years ago was 74 hours long and it was 155K which was up from  my 2008 visit which was 72 hours and 98 K. So catching Covid and going to the hospital for two or three weeks will probably wipe me out financially. The financial aspect of catching Covid which what scare me the most.

Quote from: davisd9 on October 27, 2020, 09:22:52 AM

Quote from: zelmo1 on October 27, 2020, 09:16:48 AM
Local buzz is that non residents will need the covid vaccine , if it is available, before hunting next year. This is only a rumor from a game warden. I can find no mention of it on the F&G website or state govt page.

If true, that seems beatable in court with Hipaa laws in Maine or elsewhere.

How's that any different than immunization records being required for school attendance?

The proximity of students is much more than hunters in the woods. I am just repeating local news I hear around the socially distanced campfire. Not pushing either side, just replying to the thread.  :funnyturkey:

I'm not going to let covid steal another spring from me when it comes to traveling to hunt. We only have so many springs in this short life. I'll be wearing a mask in the airports and stores. Unless non-resident hunting is banned in a state I want to hunt, I'll be there God willing.

Covids done after this year. Guarantee it.


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Since Biden essentially is a shoe in, Covid is miraculously cured or will suddenly be non deadly. Bubba 

Vaccine and better treatments after the inauguration late January.

I'm making plans for 2021.

I had an incredible spring planned for 2020 hunting 7-9 states + BC, several of which I hit draws for. Unfortunately being as I am an essential worker that crosses the boarder often there was scare that I might get quarantined on one of my crossings which my work wasnt going to cover if it was a result of "personal" travel. So I ended up only getting to hunt my home state and BC. And that is only because they came up with a letter program before the season ended!

So yes this year I'm planning and hoping for at least 5 states. I do hunt solo, sleep in my truck, wear gloves to pump gas, pack food, limit stops etc. Wife is a germ freak that I've grown to appreciate in these times.

Where, TBD, putting in for draws to see what hits and will go from there.

Good luck everyone.

It wont suprise me if the lock the country down again.

The developers - Pfizer and BioNTech - described it as a "great day for science and humanity".



Their vaccine has been tested on 43,500 people in six countries and no safety concerns have been raised.



The companies plan to apply for emergency approval to use the vaccine by the end of the month.



No vaccine has gone from the drawing board to being proven highly effective in such a short period of time.



There are still huge challenges ahead, but the announcement has been warmly welcomed with scientists describing themselves smiling "ear to ear" and some suggesting life could be back to normal by spring.