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Turkey Guns & Shooting => 12 ga Remington pattern pictures => Topic started by: Philippe on February 18, 2014, 04:59:50 PM

Title: Longbeard Patterns with Sumtoy, SSX and Wrights 870 SM
Post by: Philippe on February 18, 2014, 04:59:50 PM
Alright gang, here is the results. I only had a short time to shoot today because I had lectures, but none the less I slipped away long enough to take a few shots with the new Longbeards and a few of my favorite chokes. All of these patters were taken from a lazered and taped 30 yards except for one shot, I decided to do a big no no and take a 50 yd shot.

The shells used are the new Winchester Longbeard 3.5 2oz 6's.
Gun is a Remington Super Mag 870
Chokes used, Sumtoy .650, SSX .643, Wrights .650

Guys, these shells like to be choked tight! I tried them in everything from .640-.670, the really shine from .643-650

William, If you read this post please pm me, we need to talk about these shells ASAP and choke constrictions!

I will say this, as far as I am concerned Hevi shot is done for!

The shells shoot very clean, not a lot of recoil for a 3.5, more along the lines of a 3 inch shell. They absolutely put a spanking on my Thugs!

These are the best lead shells ever created bar none! I only shot 20 shells today thru 10 different chokes, I wish i had more money, I would have sat there longer putting more shells thru more chokes to give you guys results.

Title: Re: Longbeard Patterns with Sumtoy, SSX and Wrights 870 SM
Post by: Philippe on February 18, 2014, 05:03:27 PM
SSX 50yd
Title: Re: Longbeard Patterns with Sumtoy, SSX and Wrights 870 SM
Post by: Philippe on February 18, 2014, 05:05:20 PM
Sumtoy
Title: Re: Longbeard Patterns with Sumtoy, SSX and Wrights 870 SM
Post by: Philippe on February 18, 2014, 05:05:50 PM
Wrights
Title: Re: Longbeard Patterns with Sumtoy, SSX and Wrights 870 SM
Post by: WildSpur on February 18, 2014, 05:09:43 PM
Wow!  That 50 yarder is better than alot at 40.  That is nice to hear the recoil is manageable.

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Title: Re: Longbeard Patterns with Sumtoy, SSX and Wrights 870 SM
Post by: Philippe on February 18, 2014, 05:11:53 PM
Quote from: WildSpur on February 18, 2014, 05:09:43 PM
Wow!  That 50 yarder is better than alot at 40.  That is nice to hear the recoil is manageable.

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I've put a lot of time and work into this gun, I just wanted to see how it would shoot at that distance. All my shots are always 20-30. Honestly don't remember the last time I took a shot any further.
Title: Re: Longbeard Patterns with Sumtoy, SSX and Wrights 870 SM
Post by: darn2ten on February 18, 2014, 05:27:47 PM
Nice, I like seeing the patterns at different distances. That Sumtoy at 10 to 15 yards would decapitate one!
Title: Re: Longbeard Patterns with Sumtoy, SSX and Wrights 870 SM
Post by: surehuntsalot on February 18, 2014, 08:48:34 PM
 :drool:
Title: Re: Longbeard Patterns with Sumtoy, SSX and Wrights 870 SM
Post by: R AJ on February 18, 2014, 10:27:17 PM
That isn't really a 3 ounce load. That may account for dense patterns you reckon?
Good to know of the affinity for tight chokes. Can't help but agree that this shell has promise for lots of uses
and I am sure that buckshot and coyote loads are being considered.
Title: Re: Longbeard Patterns with Sumtoy, SSX and Wrights 870 SM
Post by: Philippe on February 18, 2014, 10:37:58 PM
Quote from: RAJ on February 18, 2014, 10:27:17 PM
That isn't really a 3 ounce load. That may account for dense patterns you reckon?
Good to know of the affinity for tight chokes. Can't help but agree that this shell has promise for lots of uses
and I am sure that buckshot and coyote loads are being considered.

LOL yeah I didnt see the 3oz mistake, fixed it! I just need to re adjust my POA/POI with the Dot and I believe I am good to go. Some of the shots I obviously pulled really bad on, just couldnt help myself, I was excited to try these shells and been stuck in the house for 3 months lol :funnyturkey:
Title: Re: Longbeard Patterns with Sumtoy, SSX and Wrights 870 SM
Post by: devin4484 on February 18, 2014, 11:02:58 PM
How long is the barrel your running them through?
Title: Re: Longbeard Patterns with Sumtoy, SSX and Wrights 870 SM
Post by: TBab on February 18, 2014, 11:14:35 PM
You still think that they need to be choked tighter even through an 835? I had awesome results with a .690 Jellyhead at 38 yards. I believe a 195 count in the 10. Ive seen alot say that they love the .675 in Mossbergs. But those are awesome patterns brother. Winchester has really knocked it out of the park with these lead loads. 40 yrds and in they are cooked. These turkeys dont understand what fixin to happen? Lol
Title: Re: Longbeard Patterns with Sumtoy, SSX and Wrights 870 SM
Post by: Philippe on February 19, 2014, 12:38:55 AM
Quote from: devin4484 on February 18, 2014, 11:02:58 PM
How long is the barrel your running them through?

26", spent a lot of time in the cleaning and polishing of this one as well.
Title: Re: Longbeard Patterns with Sumtoy, SSX and Wrights 870 SM
Post by: Philippe on February 19, 2014, 12:41:03 AM
Quote from: TBab on February 18, 2014, 11:14:35 PM
You still think that they need to be choked tighter even through an 835? I had awesome results with a .690 Jellyhead at 38 yards. I believe a 195 count in the 10. Ive seen alot say that they love the .675 in Mossbergs. But those are awesome patterns brother. Winchester has really knocked it out of the park with these lead loads. 40 yrds and in they are cooked. These turkeys dont understand what fixin to happen? Lol

Well considering the back bore of the 835 mine really preferred a .670 for most loads. I never got to really push the limits with that gun before I sold it.
Title: Re: Longbeard Patterns with Sumtoy, SSX and Wrights 870 SM
Post by: RemingtonRules on February 19, 2014, 09:09:11 AM
looks good, but if you pull the shot on the real deal at 30 or under he will take flight.  If you are only shooting 20-30 I would open up your choke and pattern.  No need for them to be tight. $0.2
Title: Re: Longbeard Patterns with Sumtoy, SSX and Wrights 870 SM
Post by: ILIKEHEVI-13 on February 19, 2014, 09:08:52 PM
Hevi-Shot ain't going anywhere. 

That stuff is still lead. 
Title: Re: Longbeard Patterns with Sumtoy, SSX and Wrights 870 SM
Post by: darn2ten on February 19, 2014, 10:27:52 PM
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on February 19, 2014, 09:08:52 PM
Hevi-Shot ain't going anywhere. 

That stuff is still lead.
That's right, and lead was killing turkeys long before HTL was ever though of with no problem.
Title: Re: Longbeard Patterns with Sumtoy, SSX and Wrights 870 SM
Post by: ILIKEHEVI-13 on February 20, 2014, 07:09:12 PM
Quote from: darn2ten on February 19, 2014, 10:27:52 PM
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on February 19, 2014, 09:08:52 PM
Hevi-Shot ain't going anywhere. 

That stuff is still lead.
That's right, and lead was killing turkeys long before HTL was ever though of with no problem.

That's true. 

But a lot less turkeys have been wounded since Hevi-Shot has been introduced by those that use them, too. 
Title: Re: Longbeard Patterns with Sumtoy, SSX and Wrights 870 SM
Post by: darn2ten on February 20, 2014, 08:37:28 PM
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on February 20, 2014, 07:09:12 PM
Quote from: darn2ten on February 19, 2014, 10:27:52 PM
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on February 19, 2014, 09:08:52 PM
Hevi-Shot ain't going anywhere. 

That stuff is still lead.
That's right, and lead was killing turkeys long before HTL was ever though of with no problem.

That's true. 

But a lot less turkeys have been wounded since Hevi-Shot has been introduced by those that use them, too.
I guess I come from a different train of thought. I see no reason to use HTL unless you plan on shooting birds at 50 yds. to begin with. At 40 and in lead will do everything HTL will. I went the way of HTL for a while until I figured out there was really no need in it for me. I was basically throwing money out the window for nothing. So what I'm trying to say is, if your turkey hunting, working the bird into range, and not turkey sniping there should be no reason for wounding birds with lead.