Thinking about retiring a hand me down 870 express and picking up a camo turkey gun from Walmart or Academy. Which gun would you go with? Any other pumps that I should consider for $400 out the door?
I just bought a used compact 870 express 20 ga in camo a couple months ago and really like it. I purchased it from a local gun shop so I was able to look it over well and feel that the action was not gritty. The serial number dated it back to 2017 so it was basically new; it hadn't been shot much.
Some people have had issues with gritty actions and failure to eject shells. I haven't experienced this with either of my newer expresses. The only improvement I made with the camo 870 was taking some xtra fine sand paper to the inside of the receiver. Whatever they use to camo the gun was also inside the receiver and it made the action bars not ride as smooth as if it was bare steel. So I sanded down these areas, put some slip 2000 in there and shot the heck out of it and it went from a good action to a better action.
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Plenty of fans of each. And detractors too. I'd put an 870 Express 12 ga on par with a Mossy 500. However, the pattern-friendly, over-bored barrel of an 835 puts it ahead of an 870 in my book. Also, if you ever want to mount optics, the 835 comes from the factory drilled and tapped. Both will do the job and are good "beater" guns.
Quote from: Spurs Up on April 18, 2019, 04:54:48 AM
Plenty of fans of each. And detractors too. I'd put an 870 Express 12 ga on par with a Mossy 500. However, the pattern-friendly, over-bored barrel of an 835 puts it ahead of an 870 in my book. Also, if you ever want to mount optics, the 835 comes from the factory drilled and tapped. Both will do the job and are good "beater" guns.
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Don't feel bad about dingin em up
Get whichever feels better
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Quote from: DBell on April 18, 2019, 08:08:37 AM
Quote from: Spurs Up on April 18, 2019, 04:54:48 AM
Plenty of fans of each. And detractors too. I'd put an 870 Express 12 ga on par with a Mossy 500. However, the pattern-friendly, over-bored barrel of an 835 puts it ahead of an 870 in my book. Also, if you ever want to mount optics, the 835 comes from the factory drilled and tapped. Both will do the job and are good "beater" guns.
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Don't feel bad about dingin em up
Get whichever feels better
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X3. I own a 835 and I bought it at Wally world over 10 years ago. It has been to about 5 states and has killed many birds. Great gun IMO. Remmy makes a great gun as well. One thing to consider, do you already have a turkey choke for your express? If you do and it is around the .665 range, that will be one less thing you'll have to buy if you stick with the Remmy. See which one fits and feels the best to you, you can't go wrong either way.
Remington every time for me. I will never own another Mossberg. Had one that was the biggest POS I have ever owned. Granted it was the youth model but it was a piece of junk. I may have just gotten a lemon of course but it was enough to sour me forever
Quote from: Spurs Up on April 18, 2019, 04:54:48 AM
Plenty of fans of each. And detractors too. I'd put an 870 Express 12 ga on par with a Mossy 500. However, the pattern-friendly, over-bored barrel of an 835 puts it ahead of an 870 in my book. Also, if you ever want to mount optics, the 835 comes from the factory drilled and tapped. Both will do the job and are good "beater" guns.
I felt the same but have read numerous review where the pump action of the 835s start to loosen up over time and that you have to consciencly make sure the pump is extended all the way out or the gun will not fire. This could really stink for running and gunning type peoples.
While I don't own either today, I've owned both in the past and I've always liked 870 better, however I firmly believe Remingtons made nowadays are junk. Go moss and don't look back
I love my 870 but to be fair, I have never owned a Mossberg until I bought a 510 mini 20gauge for my daughters. It has performed well so far.
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Quote from: Bigeclipse on April 18, 2019, 01:43:50 PM
Quote from: Spurs Up on April 18, 2019, 04:54:48 AM
Plenty of fans of each. And detractors too. I'd put an 870 Express 12 ga on par with a Mossy 500. However, the pattern-friendly, over-bored barrel of an 835 puts it ahead of an 870 in my book. Also, if you ever want to mount optics, the 835 comes from the factory drilled and tapped. Both will do the job and are good "beater" guns.
I felt the same but have read numerous review where the pump action of the 835s start to loosen up over time and that you have to consciencly make sure the pump is extended all the way out or the gun will not fire. This could really stink for running and gunning type peoples.
10 years with my 835 with zero problems. Also I have a hunting buddy that has inherited an older wood stocked 835 from his father and he's had zero problems with it too. I believe ALL pumps will have this problem if the operator doesn't push the slide hard enough forward to lock the bolt. With that being said, I'll knock on wood and hope no problems develop.
Quote from: Bigeclipse on April 18, 2019, 01:43:50 PM
Quote from: Spurs Up on April 18, 2019, 04:54:48 AM
Plenty of fans of each. And detractors too. I'd put an 870 Express 12 ga on par with a Mossy 500. However, the pattern-friendly, over-bored barrel of an 835 puts it ahead of an 870 in my book. Also, if you ever want to mount optics, the 835 comes from the factory drilled and tapped. Both will do the job and are good "beater" guns.
I felt the same but have read numerous review where the pump action of the 835s start to loosen up over time and that you have to consciencly make sure the pump is extended all the way out or the gun will not fire. This could really stink for running and gunning type peoples.
Never heard of or experienced that. Not saying it ain't so, just seems improbable without activating the action lock release.
I hunt with an 870 youth 20 gauge 99% of the time. The other 1% is an old special purpose 870 20" barreled 12 gauge.
If I thought I needed a 3.5" shell it's 835 all the way for me. I used one for years until I decided I was over the 3.5" recoil.
Quote from: Tom Foolery on April 18, 2019, 09:33:14 PM
I hunt with an 870 youth 20 gauge 99% of the time. The other 1% is an old special purpose 870 20" barreled 12 gauge.
If I thought I needed a 3.5" shell it's 835 all the way for me. I used one for years until I decided I was over the 3.5" recoil.
I'm no fan of excessive recoil myself. Keep in mind 2-3/4" and 3" shells with lighter payloads (think less shoulder thump) also shoot exceptionally well out of the 835's long chamber and over-bored barrel. It's those shells that have made me fall back in love with the 835 and leave the compact 20 ga 870 in the safe most days. The extra 1.5 lbs is no problem to carry but soaks up recoil relative to a 6 lb 20 ga. And, it's pattern is more consistent and manageable than those of my other 12's when shooting comparable shells.
I vote 835
835 is the better gun, without a doubt. Tough as nails and awesome patterns with the right choke/ load combo.
Quote from: Bigeclipse on April 18, 2019, 01:43:50 PM
Quote from: Spurs Up on April 18, 2019, 04:54:48 AM
Plenty of fans of each. And detractors too. I'd put an 870 Express 12 ga on par with a Mossy 500. However, the pattern-friendly, over-bored barrel of an 835 puts it ahead of an 870 in my book. Also, if you ever want to mount optics, the 835 comes from the factory drilled and tapped. Both will do the job and are good "beater" guns.
I felt the same but have read numerous review where the pump action of the 835s start to loosen up over time and that you have to consciencly make sure the pump is extended all the way out or the gun will not fire. This could really stink for running and gunning type peoples.
Ive hd 2 lemons from mossberg, never again
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Quote from: Tom Foolery on April 18, 2019, 09:33:14 PM
I hunt with an 870 youth 20 gauge 99% of the time. The other 1% is an old special purpose 870 20" barreled 12 gauge.
If I thought I needed a 3.5" shell it's 835 all the way for me. I used one for years until I decided I was over the 3.5" recoil.
I'm no fan of excessive recoil myself. Keep in mind 2-3/4" and 3" shells with lighter payloads (think less shoulder thump) also shoot exceptionally well out of the 835's long chamber and over-bored barrel. It's those shells that have made me fall back in love with the 835 and leave the compact 20 ga 870 in the safe most days. The extra 1.5 lbs is no problem to carry but soaks up recoil relative to a 6 lb 20 ga. And, it's pattern is more consistent and manageable than those of my other 12's when shooting comparable shells.
I got my 835 for 3.5" shells not 3" or 2.75". I decided if I was going to shoot a lighter payload than the 3.5 offered I wanted a shorter, lighter handier gun aka the youth 870 20 gauge.
I shot my 835 with 3" shells, it still has noticeably more recoil than the 870 20 gauge and it didn't outshoot my 3" chambered 870 with 3" shells so down the road the 835 went.
I have a 870 sm and love it. It's a little heavy but patterns good. The 835 imo is the best patterning shot gun ever made. But the recoil of those things is crazy! The hardiest kicking gun I have ever shot! That's why I went with the 870
I was ready to purchase a new 870 super but every gunsmith i've spoke with recently has steered me away from the newer Remingtons.
835 all they way. It will pattern better because of the overbored barrel and you'll have fewer issues overall. The newer remingtons are junk. I do normally make a couple modifications to my 835's but it's something I would do to any pump. An Mcarbo trigger spring kit will bring the trigger weight down to a little over 4 lbs. I also install a wolf xp magazine spring with aluminum follower to avoid jams. You're looking at a grand total of around $40 for both mods.
I was always a die hard mossberg fan. Decided to get an 870 shurshot. Its my favorite gun now.
That being said, if you are on this site you are just more than the average hunter so you need an 835 now! Any gobbler hunter needs both 870 and 835 platforms in their collection!
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Both are great guns but I prefer the 835.
Wouldn't surprise me if 870s and 835s have taken more turkeys than everything else combined. IMHO sort of the "standard" turkey guns. Can't go wrong with either.
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Quote from: strum on April 19, 2019, 11:22:43 AM
I was ready to purchase a new 870 super but every gunsmith i've spoke with recently has steered me away from the newer Remingtons.
Sounds like solid advice. I picked up an 870 Super Mag on a "too good to be true" clearance sale at Dicks Sporting Goods last month, $189 w the tax included. Took it to the range twice, and despite trying 2 different chokes and a number of different loads it simply wouldn't pattern at 40 yards. I suppose I could have devoted time to trying to figure it out, but my Benelli Nova outshoots it by a mile and I decided to quit while I was ahead and sold it to a buddy for what I paid for it. I noticed the camo finish chipped easily in a couple spots which was concerning, the action would sometimes stick and sometimes it would eject the shell like a semiauto. Just all around disappointing for a gun I had high hopes for.
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:newmascot:Quote from: strum on April 19, 2019, 11:22:43 AM
I was ready to purchase a new 870 super but every gunsmith i've spoke with recently has steered me away from the newer Remingtons.
Sounds like solid advice. I picked up an 870 Super Mag on a "too good to be true" clearance sale at Dicks Sporting Goods last month, $189 w the tax included. Took it to the range twice, and despite trying 2 different chokes and a number of different loads it simply wouldn't pattern at 40 yards. I suppose I could have devoted time to trying to figure it out, but my Benelli Nova outshoots it by a mile and I decided to quit while I was ahead and sold it to a buddy for what I paid for it. I noticed the camo finish chipped easily in a couple spots which was concerning, the action would sometimes stick and sometimes it would eject the shell like a semiauto. Just all around disappointing for a gun I had high hopes for.
That is indeed disappointing. I bought what appeared to be a pretty well used 2005 vintage 870 Super Mag Special Purpose Turkey with a thumbhole stock. I think that thing was carved out of a block of steel ! Had a red dot already on it and came with a .660 Jellyhead. Been more than pleased with the way its performed. Wouldn`t be my first choice to run and gun though, too heavy, but I`m more of a sitter anyway, so....
Quote from: Turkeytider on April 21, 2019, 07:38:08 AM
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:newmascot:Quote from: strum on April 19, 2019, 11:22:43 AM
I was ready to purchase a new 870 super but every gunsmith i've spoke with recently has steered me away from the newer Remingtons.
Sounds like solid advice. I picked up an 870 Super Mag on a "too good to be true" clearance sale at Dicks Sporting Goods last month, $189 w the tax included. Took it to the range twice, and despite trying 2 different chokes and a number of different loads it simply wouldn't pattern at 40 yards. I suppose I could have devoted time to trying to figure it out, but my Benelli Nova outshoots it by a mile and I decided to quit while I was ahead and sold it to a buddy for what I paid for it. I noticed the camo finish chipped easily in a couple spots which was concerning, the action would sometimes stick and sometimes it would eject the shell like a semiauto. Just all around disappointing for a gun I had high hopes for.
That is indeed disappointing. I bought what appeared to be a pretty well used 2005 vintage 870 Super Mag Special Purpose Turkey with a thumbhole stock. I think that thing was carved out of a block of steel ! Had a red dot already on it and came with a .660 Jellyhead. Been more than pleased with the way its performed. Wouldn`t be my first choice to run and gun though, too heavy, but I`m more of a sitter anyway, so....
Yeah, I'm the opposite, I won't sit long and try to cover ground. I would imagine that my next attempt at a new turkey shooter will be some manner of lightweight 20 gauge. Sounds like you got a good 870 from before Remington literally went south.
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Quote from: Turkeytider on April 21, 2019, 07:38:08 AM
Quote from: Escout711 on April 21, 2019, 07:08:20 AM
:newmascot:Quote from: strum on April 19, 2019, 11:22:43 AM
I was ready to purchase a new 870 super but every gunsmith i've spoke with recently has steered me away from the newer Remingtons.
Sounds like solid advice. I picked up an 870 Super Mag on a "too good to be true" clearance sale at Dicks Sporting Goods last month, $189 w the tax included. Took it to the range twice, and despite trying 2 different chokes and a number of different loads it simply wouldn't pattern at 40 yards. I suppose I could have devoted time to trying to figure it out, but my Benelli Nova outshoots it by a mile and I decided to quit while I was ahead and sold it to a buddy for what I paid for it. I noticed the camo finish chipped easily in a couple spots which was concerning, the action would sometimes stick and sometimes it would eject the shell like a semiauto. Just all around disappointing for a gun I had high hopes for.
That is indeed disappointing. I bought what appeared to be a pretty well used 2005 vintage 870 Super Mag Special Purpose Turkey with a thumbhole stock. I think that thing was carved out of a block of steel ! Had a red dot already on it and came with a .660 Jellyhead. Been more than pleased with the way its performed. Wouldn`t be my first choice to run and gun though, too heavy, but I`m more of a sitter anyway, so....
Yeah, I'm the opposite, I won't sit long and try to cover ground. I would imagine that my next attempt at a new turkey shooter will be some manner of lightweight 20 gauge. Sounds like you got a good 870 from before Remington literally went south.
Well, yes, before their " troubles ". Having said that, I have a two year old walnut Remington V3 that`s been a terrific gun. If I were looking for a new turkey gun, based on my experience with my V3, I`d take a SERIOUS look at the V3 Turkey Pro.
I've owned both.
The 835 Ultimag always felt long and uncomfortable to me. As a result it was brutal to shoot with 3.5" turkey loads.
I prefer a shorter LOP so I bought an 870 SM, lopped an inch off the stock and it's much more comfortable to shoot 3.5" turkey loads.
Mechanically they're both equally sound. They both pattern equally well.
I own or have owned just about all makes of shotguns. No one makes a flawless shotgun. Of the two your asking about , either will crush turkeys.
My 835 patterns better than the Remington's I have had.
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Since you already have what sounds like an older 870 (one of the good ones) I would spend the $400 and make it look like a brand new one. Have it dipped/cerakoted. Put a good choke in it, an optic on it, etc. They are great guns and unless you just have an itch to buy a new gun, it will serve you very well for years to come.
Also, if you're only wanting to upgrade, buying a new 870 or 835 isn't really an upgrade. The older guns of those models are much better than the new ones.
An upgrade from what you have would be a nice semi auto IMO.
Quote from: taylorjones20 on April 29, 2019, 10:09:25 PM
Since you already have what sounds like an older 870 (one of the good ones) I would spend the $400 and make it look like a brand new one. Have it dipped/cerakoted. Put a good choke in it, an optic on it, etc. They are great guns and unless you just have an itch to buy a new gun, it will serve you very well for years to come.
Also, if you're only wanting to upgrade, buying a new 870 or 835 isn't really an upgrade. The older guns of those models are much better than the new ones.
An upgrade from what you have would be a nice semi auto IMO.
That's actually what I'm going to be doing. Got referred by a gun building buddy of mine to a place out of San Antonio that does good work cerakoting for a great price. As far as the optic goes, I've got a bushnell TRS-25, but am considering moving to a reflex for faster target acquisition. I think I was hindered when trying to shoot at a moving turkey this past weekend by it.
Also kicking around the idea of an over under. I like potentially being able to have a close range shell/choke combo paired with a long range combo that having two barrels provides.
The 835s kick like a mule and the forearm starts to rattle on many of them over time. Remington all the way.
I have had an 835 that was the first gun I paid for myself about 20 years ago. A few years later I got an 870. I still use both of them but I prefer the 870. I think it patterns better and I've added a blackhawk knoxx stock to it that makes it better to shoot. I have heard bad things about the newer remingtons but don't have any first hand knowledge of them. As far as the ones I have both have been good guns. No problems from either one.
No comparison, the Mossberg stands way ahead of the Remington in so many areas. I'm no Mossberg guy either but facts are facts. Ask a Remington guy what their gun does better?? They can't answer. Now add the fact current Remington's stink. If you were talking an old one as least you'd get a good gun. Buy the Mossberg
Quote from: Bowguy on June 04, 2019, 01:07:36 PM
No comparison, the Mossberg stands way ahead of the Remington in so many areas. I'm no Mossberg guy either but facts are facts. Ask a Remington guy what their gun does better?? They can't answer. Now add the fact current Remington's stink. If you were talking an old one as least you'd get a good gun. Buy the Mossberg
What does the Mossberg do better than a Remington?
A mossberg is heavier, the stock is not comfortable to most people, they do have more felt recoil and after a year or so you get that nice clanky sound to the forend.
Remington has a smoother action, the saftey is in a better location and it is better in all the reasons listed. Answer done
Quote from: Bay1985 on June 04, 2019, 04:35:16 PM
Quote from: Bowguy on June 04, 2019, 01:07:36 PM
No comparison, the Mossberg stands way ahead of the Remington in so many areas. I'm no Mossberg guy either but facts are facts. Ask a Remington guy what their gun does better?? They can't answer. Now add the fact current Remington's stink. If you were talking an old one as least you'd get a good gun. Buy the Mossberg
What does the Mossberg do better than a Remington?
A mossberg is heavier, the stock is not comfortable to most people, they do have more felt recoil and after a year or so you get that nice clanky sound to the forend.
Remington has a smoother action, the saftey is in a better location and it is better in all the reasons listed. Answer done
Ya want the list? For starters the barrel is overbored it's a 10 ga. The forcing cones are worked. The barrel on the newer ones is usually ported. It comes drilled n tapped for a sight.
The first few add up to the probabity of a better pattern. Got lots of shot and they don't get beat up squeezed in a tight space. Not saying the other guns, any really, can't be worked but put em head to head and there's no comparison it's obvious. If we're not talking head to head than the comparison is silly.
Now best part of all the Mossberg Won't break as often as the cheaply made 870s. They stink. Old ones were great.
I've heard about this clanking, mine is about 30 years old. Quiet as can be for a pump. No rattle.
Remington shoulda stayed with the wingmaster. Ever since they got on this express kick the company isn't worth buying anything from unfortunately.
How bout this one? Ask a gunsmith which one they'd buy?? The Remington's they always gotta fix or the Mossbergs.
It'd be a quick answer. It's ok to be a Remington fan. Im one speaking of the old stuff. The old Winchester were good too.
Todays turkey hunter wanting the best reasonably inexpensive gun would be best with an 835.
Another note, I've been at this since the ultimate mags were started. Almost every guy I know owns one. Some old, some new. Not one fellow says the stock is "uncomfortable". Add another great point. The safety is in a BETTER position on the Mossberg for many especially leftys.
Opinions are great but think what's best for someone else (namely the op) not whatever personal tastes we're def entitled to.
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Quote from: Bay1985 on June 04, 2019, 04:35:16 PM
Quote from: Bowguy on June 04, 2019, 01:07:36 PM
No comparison, the Mossberg stands way ahead of the Remington in so many areas. I'm no Mossberg guy either but facts are facts. Ask a Remington guy what their gun does better?? They can't answer. Now add the fact current Remington's stink. If you were talking an old one as least you'd get a good gun. Buy the Mossberg
What does the Mossberg do better than a Remington?
A mossberg is heavier, the stock is not comfortable to most people, they do have more felt recoil and after a year or so you get that nice clanky sound to the forend.
Remington has a smoother action, the saftey is in a better location and it is better in all the reasons listed. Answer done
Ya want the list? For starters the barrel is overbored it's a 10 ga. The forcing cones are worked. The barrel on the newer ones is usually ported. It comes drilled n tapped for a sight.
The first few add up to the probabity of a better pattern. Got lots of shot and they don't get beat up squeezed in a tight space. Not saying the other guns, any really, can't be worked but put em head to head and there's no comparison it's obvious. If we're not talking head to head than the comparison is silly.
Now best part of all the Mossberg Won't break as often as the cheaply made 870s. They stink. Old ones were great.
I've heard about this clanking, mine is about 30 years old. Quiet as can be for a pump. No rattle.
Remington shoulda stayed with the wingmaster. Ever since they got on this express kick the company isn't worth buying anything from unfortunately.
How bout this one? Ask a gunsmith which one they'd buy?? The Remington's they always gotta fix or the Mossbergs.
It'd be a quick answer. It's ok to be a Remington fan. Im one speaking of the old stuff. The old Winchester were good too.
Todays turkey hunter wanting the best reasonably inexpensive gun would be best with an 835.
Another note, I've been at this since the ultimate mags were started. Almost every guy I know owns one. Some old, some new. Not one fellow says the stock is "uncomfortable". Add another great point. The safety is in a BETTER position on the Mossberg for many especially leftys.
Opinions are great but think what's best for someone else (namely the op) not whatever personal tastes we're def entitled to.
" Ever since they got on this express kick the company isn`t worth buying anything from unfortunately." ANYTHING?? I`m afraid that`s a bit too sweeping a generalization with which I can`t agree. My walnut V3 is an excellent gun and one that won`t break the bank to acquire. Remington`s selling a bunch of them. Check out comments on the current Wingmasters on Shotgun World. Far more positives than negatives and there also certainly seem to be folks out there who are liking their VersaMax. The 870 Express was specifically designed to be a low cost, no frills pump to appeal to people looking for a cheap gun. It`s foolish to think that you would get Wingmaster, or even Mossberg, quality with one, both in furniture and in machining.
Quote from: Bowguy on June 04, 2019, 05:03:07 PM
Quote from: Bay1985 on June 04, 2019, 04:35:16 PM
Quote from: Bowguy on June 04, 2019, 01:07:36 PM
No comparison, the Mossberg stands way ahead of the Remington in so many areas. I'm no Mossberg guy either but facts are facts. Ask a Remington guy what their gun does better?? They can't answer. Now add the fact current Remington's stink. If you were talking an old one as least you'd get a good gun. Buy the Mossberg
What does the Mossberg do better than a Remington?
A mossberg is heavier, the stock is not comfortable to most people, they do have more felt recoil and after a year or so you get that nice clanky sound to the forend.
Remington has a smoother action, the saftey is in a better location and it is better in all the reasons listed. Answer done
Ya want the list? For starters the barrel is overbored it's a 10 ga. The forcing cones are worked. The barrel on the newer ones is usually ported. It comes drilled n tapped for a sight.
The first few add up to the probabity of a better pattern. Got lots of shot and they don't get beat up squeezed in a tight space. Not saying the other guns, any really, can't be worked but put em head to head and there's no comparison it's obvious. If we're not talking head to head than the comparison is silly.
Now best part of all the Mossberg Won't break as often as the cheaply made 870s. They stink. Old ones were great.
I've heard about this clanking, mine is about 30 years old. Quiet as can be for a pump. No rattle.
Remington shoulda stayed with the wingmaster. Ever since they got on this express kick the company isn't worth buying anything from unfortunately.
How bout this one? Ask a gunsmith which one they'd buy?? The Remington's they always gotta fix or the Mossbergs.
It'd be a quick answer. It's ok to be a Remington fan. Im one speaking of the old stuff. The old Winchester were good too.
Todays turkey hunter wanting the best reasonably inexpensive gun would be best with an 835.
Another note, I've been at this since the ultimate mags were started. Almost every guy I know owns one. Some old, some new. Not one fellow says the stock is "uncomfortable". Add another great point. The safety is in a BETTER position on the Mossberg for many especially leftys.
Opinions are great but think what's best for someone else (namely the op) not whatever personal tastes we're def entitled to.
If I wanted a 10 gauge I'd buy a 10 gauge. Forcing cone length has never been proven to me to matter in a turkey gun.The 870 comes with a bead site I'd put a clown horn on my shotgun before I'd put a scope on one so I don't really need holes drilled in the reciever. The saftey location is a personal opinion. The weight is a fact, not sure what help porting would do unless your trying to make the gun louder.
To clarify everything I'm saying is about the Wingmaster, I don't know any self respecting turkey hunter that would hunt with an Express lol. Head to head the Wingmaster 1957 or 2019 model will hold its on side by side with any gun made including the Mossberg. I'd suggest the OP invest money in his gun and skip the budget shopping for the only peice of equipment that will actually kill the turkey, everything else is extra. You could find a nice Wingmaster on one of the gun sales sites in 12 gauge that probably isn't even broke in yet and will last your lifetime and then some.
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Quote from: Bowguy on June 04, 2019, 05:03:07 PM
Quote from: Bay1985 on June 04, 2019, 04:35:16 PM
Quote from: Bowguy on June 04, 2019, 01:07:36 PM
No comparison, the Mossberg stands way ahead of the Remington in so many areas. I'm no Mossberg guy either but facts are facts. Ask a Remington guy what their gun does better?? They can't answer. Now add the fact current Remington's stink. If you were talking an old one as least you'd get a good gun. Buy the Mossberg
What does the Mossberg do better than a Remington?
A mossberg is heavier, the stock is not comfortable to most people, they do have more felt recoil and after a year or so you get that nice clanky sound to the forend.
Remington has a smoother action, the saftey is in a better location and it is better in all the reasons listed. Answer done
Ya want the list? For starters the barrel is overbored it's a 10 ga. The forcing cones are worked. The barrel on the newer ones is usually ported. It comes drilled n tapped for a sight.
The first few add up to the probabity of a better pattern. Got lots of shot and they don't get beat up squeezed in a tight space. Not saying the other guns, any really, can't be worked but put em head to head and there's no comparison it's obvious. If we're not talking head to head than the comparison is silly.
Now best part of all the Mossberg Won't break as often as the cheaply made 870s. They stink. Old ones were great.
I've heard about this clanking, mine is about 30 years old. Quiet as can be for a pump. No rattle.
Remington shoulda stayed with the wingmaster. Ever since they got on this express kick the company isn't worth buying anything from unfortunately.
How bout this one? Ask a gunsmith which one they'd buy?? The Remington's they always gotta fix or the Mossbergs.
It'd be a quick answer. It's ok to be a Remington fan. Im one speaking of the old stuff. The old Winchester were good too.
Todays turkey hunter wanting the best reasonably inexpensive gun would be best with an 835.
Another note, I've been at this since the ultimate mags were started. Almost every guy I know owns one. Some old, some new. Not one fellow says the stock is "uncomfortable". Add another great point. The safety is in a BETTER position on the Mossberg for many especially leftys.
Opinions are great but think what's best for someone else (namely the op) not whatever personal tastes we're def entitled to.
If I wanted a 10 gauge I'd buy a 10 gauge. Forcing cone length has never been proven to me to matter in a turkey gun.The 870 comes with a bead site I'd put a clown horn on my shotgun before I'd put a scope on one so I don't really need holes drilled in the reciever. The saftey location is a personal opinion. The weight is a fact, not sure what help porting would do unless your trying to make the gun louder.
To clarify everything I'm saying is about the Wingmaster, I don't know any self respecting turkey hunter that would hunt with an Express lol. Head to head the Wingmaster 1957 or 2019 model will hold its on side by side with any gun made including the Mossberg. I'd suggest the OP invest money in his gun and skip the budget shopping for the only peice of equipment that will actually kill the turkey, everything else is extra. You could find a nice Wingmaster on one of the gun sales sites in 12 gauge that probably isn't even broke in yet and will last your lifetime and then some.
Don't be silly. Everybody I know uses a saddle mount for their clown horn.
This thread may as well be about Ford or Chevy (Hyundai or Kia, in this case). Most everyone just defends what they own.
Quote from: Spurs Up on June 05, 2019, 05:57:25 AM
Quote from: Bay1985 on June 04, 2019, 11:29:52 PM
Quote from: Bowguy on June 04, 2019, 05:03:07 PM
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Quote from: Bowguy on June 04, 2019, 01:07:36 PM
No comparison, the Mossberg stands way ahead of the Remington in so many areas. I'm no Mossberg guy either but facts are facts. Ask a Remington guy what their gun does better?? They can't answer. Now add the fact current Remington's stink. If you were talking an old one as least you'd get a good gun. Buy the Mossberg
What does the Mossberg do better than a Remington?
A mossberg is heavier, the stock is not comfortable to most people, they do have more felt recoil and after a year or so you get that nice clanky sound to the forend.
Remington has a smoother action, the saftey is in a better location and it is better in all the reasons listed. Answer done
Ya want the list? For starters the barrel is overbored it's a 10 ga. The forcing cones are worked. The barrel on the newer ones is usually ported. It comes drilled n tapped for a sight.
The first few add up to the probabity of a better pattern. Got lots of shot and they don't get beat up squeezed in a tight space. Not saying the other guns, any really, can't be worked but put em head to head and there's no comparison it's obvious. If we're not talking head to head than the comparison is silly.
Now best part of all the Mossberg Won't break as often as the cheaply made 870s. They stink. Old ones were great.
I've heard about this clanking, mine is about 30 years old. Quiet as can be for a pump. No rattle.
Remington shoulda stayed with the wingmaster. Ever since they got on this express kick the company isn't worth buying anything from unfortunately.
How bout this one? Ask a gunsmith which one they'd buy?? The Remington's they always gotta fix or the Mossbergs.
It'd be a quick answer. It's ok to be a Remington fan. Im one speaking of the old stuff. The old Winchester were good too.
Todays turkey hunter wanting the best reasonably inexpensive gun would be best with an 835.
Another note, I've been at this since the ultimate mags were started. Almost every guy I know owns one. Some old, some new. Not one fellow says the stock is "uncomfortable". Add another great point. The safety is in a BETTER position on the Mossberg for many especially leftys.
Opinions are great but think what's best for someone else (namely the op) not whatever personal tastes we're def entitled to.
If I wanted a 10 gauge I'd buy a 10 gauge. Forcing cone length has never been proven to me to matter in a turkey gun.The 870 comes with a bead site I'd put a clown horn on my shotgun before I'd put a scope on one so I don't really need holes drilled in the reciever. The saftey location is a personal opinion. The weight is a fact, not sure what help porting would do unless your trying to make the gun louder.
To clarify everything I'm saying is about the Wingmaster, I don't know any self respecting turkey hunter that would hunt with an Express lol. Head to head the Wingmaster 1957 or 2019 model will hold its on side by side with any gun made including the Mossberg. I'd suggest the OP invest money in his gun and skip the budget shopping for the only peice of equipment that will actually kill the turkey, everything else is extra. You could find a nice Wingmaster on one of the gun sales sites in 12 gauge that probably isn't even broke in yet and will last your lifetime and then some.
Don't be silly. Everybody I know uses a saddle mount for their clown horn.
This thread may as well be about Ford or Chevy (Hyundai or Kia, in this case). Most everyone just defends what they own.
This is exactly right. I have both although the 870 is from the 80s. That's why I said the 835 is better. Comparing em side by side there's no question. The working the old gun is a great idea. Still won't be as good as an unti mag pattern wise but a great gun would be had
Quote from: Spurs Up on June 05, 2019, 05:57:25 AM
Quote from: Bay1985 on June 04, 2019, 11:29:52 PM
Quote from: Bowguy on June 04, 2019, 05:03:07 PM
Quote from: Bay1985 on June 04, 2019, 04:35:16 PM
Quote from: Bowguy on June 04, 2019, 01:07:36 PM
No comparison, the Mossberg stands way ahead of the Remington in so many areas. I'm no Mossberg guy either but facts are facts. Ask a Remington guy what their gun does better?? They can't answer. Now add the fact current Remington's stink. If you were talking an old one as least you'd get a good gun. Buy the Mossberg
What does the Mossberg do better than a Remington?
A mossberg is heavier, the stock is not comfortable to most people, they do have more felt recoil and after a year or so you get that nice clanky sound to the forend.
Remington has a smoother action, the saftey is in a better location and it is better in all the reasons listed. Answer done
Ya want the list? For starters the barrel is overbored it's a 10 ga. The forcing cones are worked. The barrel on the newer ones is usually ported. It comes drilled n tapped for a sight.
The first few add up to the probabity of a better pattern. Got lots of shot and they don't get beat up squeezed in a tight space. Not saying the other guns, any really, can't be worked but put em head to head and there's no comparison it's obvious. If we're not talking head to head than the comparison is silly.
Now best part of all the Mossberg Won't break as often as the cheaply made 870s. They stink. Old ones were great.
I've heard about this clanking, mine is about 30 years old. Quiet as can be for a pump. No rattle.
Remington shoulda stayed with the wingmaster. Ever since they got on this express kick the company isn't worth buying anything from unfortunately.
How bout this one? Ask a gunsmith which one they'd buy?? The Remington's they always gotta fix or the Mossbergs.
It'd be a quick answer. It's ok to be a Remington fan. Im one speaking of the old stuff. The old Winchester were good too.
Todays turkey hunter wanting the best reasonably inexpensive gun would be best with an 835.
Another note, I've been at this since the ultimate mags were started. Almost every guy I know owns one. Some old, some new. Not one fellow says the stock is "uncomfortable". Add another great point. The safety is in a BETTER position on the Mossberg for many especially leftys.
Opinions are great but think what's best for someone else (namely the op) not whatever personal tastes we're def entitled to.
If I wanted a 10 gauge I'd buy a 10 gauge. Forcing cone length has never been proven to me to matter in a turkey gun.The 870 comes with a bead site I'd put a clown horn on my shotgun before I'd put a scope on one so I don't really need holes drilled in the reciever. The saftey location is a personal opinion. The weight is a fact, not sure what help porting would do unless your trying to make the gun louder.
To clarify everything I'm saying is about the Wingmaster, I don't know any self respecting turkey hunter that would hunt with an Express lol. Head to head the Wingmaster 1957 or 2019 model will hold its on side by side with any gun made including the Mossberg. I'd suggest the OP invest money in his gun and skip the budget shopping for the only peice of equipment that will actually kill the turkey, everything else is extra. You could find a nice Wingmaster on one of the gun sales sites in 12 gauge that probably isn't even broke in yet and will last your lifetime and then some.
Don't be silly. Everybody I know uses a saddle mount for their clown horn.
This thread may as well be about Ford or Chevy (Hyundai or Kia, in this case). Most everyone just defends what they own.
We have a winner! Most probably more turkeys have been killed by 835`s and 870`s than everything else maybe combined. There`s probably a reason for that.
I'll agree w the last post but not exactly for why you think. The 870 has been one of America's most popular shotguns. It wasn't made for turkey but it used to be a good gun everyone had. Kinda makes sense the most popular gun is in the running., now quote me if I'm wrong cause I don't recall and turkey specific guns besides the 835 that had popularity or were even available.
The two more common guns got to rate high not because they work better though sometimes maybe this is true it's simply availability.
Gonna give you a for instance. We're more deer killed in America w Remington 700s or Sakos? Which is the better gun????? Now the sakos are pricey but they always weren't so. Availability is your answer. Obviously Sako is much better and now the price reflects that.
Quote from: Bowguy on June 05, 2019, 09:02:30 AM
I'll agree w the last post but not exactly for why you think. The 870 has been one of America's most popular shotguns. It wasn't made for turkey but it used to be a good gun everyone had. Kinda makes sense the most popular gun is in the running., now quote me if I'm wrong cause I don't recall and turkey specific guns besides the 835 that had popularity or were even available.
The two more common guns got to rate high not because they work better though sometimes maybe this is true it's simply availability.
Gonna give you a for instance. We're more deer killed in America w Remington 700s or Sakos? Which is the better gun????? Now the sakos are pricey but they always weren't so. Availability is your answer. Obviously Sako is much better and now the price reflects that.
Based on a review of Remington catalogs, it appears to me that they (Remington ) began the production of turkey specific 870`s in the early 90`s and have produced them ever since, both as Express and " regular " 870. My own 870 Super Mag Special Purpose Turkey model ( thumbhole stock, MO Obsession camo ) was produced from `05 to `07. The thing is an absolute tank of a gun, as smooth and together as the day it was built. With a Jellyhead 660 and Hevi-13 #6 I`ll pattern it against any gun, Mossbergs included.
Quote from: Turkeytider on June 05, 2019, 10:06:11 AM
Quote from: Bowguy on June 05, 2019, 09:02:30 AM
I'll agree w the last post but not exactly for why you think. The 870 has been one of America's most popular shotguns. It wasn't made for turkey but it used to be a good gun everyone had. Kinda makes sense the most popular gun is in the running., now quote me if I'm wrong cause I don't recall and turkey specific guns besides the 835 that had popularity or were even available.
The two more common guns got to rate high not because they work better though sometimes maybe this is true it's simply availability.
Gonna give you a for instance. We're more deer killed in America w Remington 700s or Sakos? Which is the better gun????? Now the sakos are pricey but they always weren't so. Availability is your answer. Obviously Sako is much better and now the price reflects that.
Based on a review of Remington catalogs, it appears to me that they (Remington ) began the production of turkey specific 870`s in the early 90`s and have produced them ever since, both as Express and " regular " 870. My own 870 Super Mag Special Purpose Turkey model ( thumbhole stock, MO Obsession camo ) was produced from `05 to `07. The thing is an absolute tank of a gun, as smooth and together as the day it was built. With a Jellyhead 660 and Hevi-13 #6 I`ll pattern it against any gun, Mossbergs included.
At the risk of starting round 2 of the urinary olympics, just how do you propose to "pattern it against any gun?" Are Sako's allowed???
Quote from: Spurs Up on June 05, 2019, 04:16:17 PM
Quote from: Turkeytider on June 05, 2019, 10:06:11 AM
Quote from: Bowguy on June 05, 2019, 09:02:30 AM
I'll agree w the last post but not exactly for why you think. The 870 has been one of America's most popular shotguns. It wasn't made for turkey but it used to be a good gun everyone had. Kinda makes sense the most popular gun is in the running., now quote me if I'm wrong cause I don't recall and turkey specific guns besides the 835 that had popularity or were even available.
The two more common guns got to rate high not because they work better though sometimes maybe this is true it's simply availability.
Gonna give you a for instance. We're more deer killed in America w Remington 700s or Sakos? Which is the better gun????? Now the sakos are pricey but they always weren't so. Availability is your answer. Obviously Sako is much better and now the price reflects that.
Based on a review of Remington catalogs, it appears to me that they (Remington ) began the production of turkey specific 870`s in the early 90`s and have produced them ever since, both as Express and " regular " 870. My own 870 Super Mag Special Purpose Turkey model ( thumbhole stock, MO Obsession camo ) was produced from `05 to `07. The thing is an absolute tank of a gun, as smooth and together as the day it was built. With a Jellyhead 660 and Hevi-13 #6 I`ll pattern it against any gun, Mossbergs included.
At the risk of starting round 2 of the urinary olympics, just how do you propose to "pattern it against any gun?" Are Sako's allowed???
I don`t. Merely saying that the patterns it throws, I would submit, would compare favorably to any gun with that load and choke. Just so you know, I think quite highly of the Mossberg 835 Ultimag. When I was in the market for a dedicated turkey gun, I probably would have bought one if a deal I couldn`t refuse for my 870 Super Mag hadn`t come up. Bowguy`s universal indictment of everything Remington is what prompted my comments.
Quote from: longislandloco on June 07, 2019, 01:33:49 PM
Having owned both, neither......I prefer my BPS and my Winchester 1300, shot what you like, not what I like or anyone else likes.
The best advice. In the final analysis, there are any number of guns that can do the job.
Not a Mossberg fan either but I will say that Mossberg was first to the table with Turkey specific guns. In 1988 they introduced the 835, 8 being 1988 and 35 for 3 1/2 inch shells, teaming up with Federal for the shells. My father had a 1988 model, it has been traded back and forth between my Uncles because of the recoil. Lol!
Might just have to get my hands on it. It's in tree bark or the first Realtree. Throws wicked patterns too!
Have a good one
Ray
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