Hey guys I'm reading lots of guys doing this rebuild, but it's unclear to me why the youth rather than say the adult 870 20 ga. I've read tons but still lost.
-Can some explain the reason to go with the youth?
-Is the Sure Shot stock an adult version?
Could someone post a good link for a complete rebuild with details on each change and component used?
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I'd say it's because a barrel costs more than a butt stock.
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I have done a build like you are talking about. The reason I did a youth version is bc that is a gun I already owned. one advantage the youth gun has is that it is smaller and lighter. A huge difference from the heavy twelves that I have carried for years. I hardly know it's there when I'm carrying it.
21" barrels are only found on the youth models. That's the one and only reason I went with a youth.
Weight and versatility! 21" bbl, light, mobile, so much easier for me to be able to be more compact, don't get hung up on every tree limb in the woods, just to name a few....... stupid good patterns at 40 yards, why not get a compact one? Sure shot stock is full size l.o.p, and then converts your youth 20 to a full size 20 with a 21" bbl. since going to a short barrell , I never want to go back. I guess Kirk previously stated, you can buy a stock much cheaper than a bbl. my dad however is old school, and insists on classic stock and a 26" bbl. it also shoots stupid good patterns. I just like a short barrel on mine and I like the weight because of if. Either is fine, it all works, but those are my reasons.
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I just finished my project. Haven't shot it yet, but I'm confident it will do well at the range.
I wanted a dedicated turkey gun, and with the advancement in ammunition I wanted to go with a 20 gauge for the size and weight of the gun. Also because I had a Remington youth 20 already. Is / was my son's gun. He no longer uses it, since he's 6' 2.
I made myself a $200 budget. Figured if I was going to dump a bunch of money in it, I might as well buy a new Weatherby SA459 or similar, along with a FastFire sight, etc.
So...
I bought a shurshot stock on sale at midway ($45), added a B-square saddle mount ($42) / Truglo gobbler dot sight ($42) and a Sumtoy choke ($70). Did a quick homemade / not much thought / camo job to the add-ons. Didn't do receiver or barrel, because of keeping original integrity of the gun. That may change, as well as sight system, etc.
But for now, I have a dedicated 20 ga. turkey rig for $200 and a couple hours labor.
(http://i1042.photobucket.com/albums/b421/32SteelerFan/rem20320final_zpsqcdett6o.jpg) (http://s1042.photobucket.com/user/32SteelerFan/media/rem20320final_zpsqcdett6o.jpg.html)
Quote from: SteelerFan on February 13, 2017, 07:10:31 PM
I just finished my project. Haven't shot it yet, but I'm confident it will do well at the range.
I wanted a dedicated turkey gun, and with the advancement in ammunition I wanted to go with a 20 gauge for the size and weight of the gun. Also because I had a Remington youth 20 already. Is / was my son's gun. He no longer uses it, since he's 6' 2.
I made myself a $200 budget. Figured if I was going to dump a bunch of money in it, I might as well buy a new Weatherby SA459 or similar, along with a FastFire sight, etc.
So...
I bought a shurshot stock on sale at midway ($45), added a B-square saddle mount ($42) / Truglo gobbler dot sight ($42) and a Sumtoy choke ($70). Did a quick homemade / not much thought / camo job to the add-ons. Didn't do receiver or barrel, because of keeping original integrity of the gun. That may change, as well as sight system, etc.
But for now, I have a dedicated 20 ga. turkey rig for $200 and a couple hours labor.
(http://i1042.photobucket.com/albums/b421/32SteelerFan/rem20320final_zpsqcdett6o.jpg) (http://s1042.photobucket.com/user/32SteelerFan/media/rem20320final_zpsqcdett6o.jpg.html)
Awesome job
I asked the same question a few weeks ago. If you want the short barrel you have to start out with a youth. The shurshot takes it to an adult size stock. I took a youth 870, put on a 45$ shurshot for 20ga, ordered a sumtoy choke and sumtoy mount for a fastfire 2 red dot. Next I am going to attempt mossy oak graphics in old bottomland. Can't afford a camo dip right now.
Quote from: SteelerFan on February 13, 2017, 07:10:31 PM
I just finished my project. Haven't shot it yet, but I'm confident it will do well at the range.
I wanted a dedicated turkey gun, and with the advancement in ammunition I wanted to go with a 20 gauge for the size and weight of the gun. Also because I had a Remington youth 20 already. Is / was my son's gun. He no longer uses it, since he's 6' 2.
I made myself a $200 budget. Figured if I was going to dump a bunch of money in it, I might as well buy a new Weatherby SA459 or similar, along with a FastFire sight, etc.
So...
I bought a shurshot stock on sale at midway ($45), added a B-square saddle mount ($42) / Truglo gobbler dot sight ($42) and a Sumtoy choke ($70). Did a quick homemade / not much thought / camo job to the add-ons. Didn't do receiver or barrel, because of keeping original integrity of the gun. That may change, as well as sight system, etc.
But for now, I have a dedicated 20 ga. turkey rig for $200 and a couple hours labor.
(http://i1042.photobucket.com/albums/b421/32SteelerFan/rem20320final_zpsqcdett6o.jpg) (http://s1042.photobucket.com/user/32SteelerFan/media/rem20320final_zpsqcdett6o.jpg.html)
Thanks for that reply brother, that's exactly what I needed! I now understand the youth deal. Your gun looks great, but I have a few more questions.
-I personally don't like the look of the sure shot stock I prefer the standard pistol grip, but comfort is def more important, so how would u compare it to a standard pistol grip stock on other shotgun models?
-Did u have to drill and tap the receiver housing for the saddle? If so what size bit & tap?
-what kind of camo did u use & does it have some type of protective clear coat? it looks awesome.
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I have a Sure-Shot on both a youth 870 and an 11-87. It is an great stock if you are going to use an optic. IMO the best for optics because of the high cheek design, which puts your eye perfect for a FF3 on a rail or 336 base. It was a little to high for me with iron sites. It is also a very comfortable hold and carries well with a sling.
Ridge Rooster
^^^ Agree with Ridge Rooster. The shurshot "points" very well, very natural. It's definitely made for a raised sight system.
The B-square saddle mount does not require any drill & tap. The trigger assembly retention pins are replaced with bolts that fasten the mount. Not as sleek as a rail mount.
The camo is just craft store acrylics and pieces of natural sponge used to apply. You could spray a matt finish clear coat to protect it - but this doesn't need it. If it gets scratched, just grab a sponge and a squirt of fresh paint.
Quote from: SteelerFan on February 14, 2017, 07:01:06 AM
^^^ Agree with Ridge Rooster. The shurshot "points" very well, very natural. It's definitely made for a raised sight system.
The B-square saddle mount does not require any drill & tap. The trigger assembly retention pins are replaced with bolts that fasten the mount. Not as sleek as a rail mount.
The camo is just craft store acrylics and pieces of natural sponge used to apply. You could spray a matt finish clear coat to protect it - but this doesn't need it. If it gets scratched, just grab a sponge and a squirt of fresh paint.
Could u post a pic of the other side of the stock butt, I can't seem to find one of that angle? I shoot lefty, so just wondering how it would feel for me.
Also if I wanted to run a pic rail, I assume I'd have to drill and tap it?
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Quote from: aeasley10 on February 14, 2017, 05:31:38 AM
-I personally don't like the look of the sure shot stock I prefer the standard pistol grip, but comfort is def more important, so how would u compare it to a standard pistol grip stock on other shotgun models?
They make pistol grip stocks for the 870 20's. Knoxx used to make one but has since discontinued it since I purchased mine. They do make an adapter for the 12ga to the 20ga receiver, but I'm not a big fan. I've built 11 of these guns for family/friends. I'm in the process of building another for myself and bought the SureShot for my gun. The beauty of the Knoxx is I can adjust it all the way down for a kid or my wife, and then adjust it all the way out to fit myself. I haven't hunted with the SureShot yet to give a comparison, but I absolutely love the Knoxx.
My current gun started life as a Remington 870 Youth 20ga. I stripped the gun completely down, took the receiver to a smith to drill/tap/attach rail, polished/deep cleaned barrel, replaced forearm with a synthetic from Remington, installed an adjustable Knoxx stock with a Limbsaver, and a Burris FFII sits on top with a WarBird guard. I sanded it down, primed, and painted it with multiple stencils and lots of time. I hand load 1 5/8oz of TSS #9.5s and run it thru a Remington Super Full "lead only" choke. It will flat stomp turkeys. Killed a slam with it last year.
Going to the 20ga was simple for me. I love to run and gun, and if you've never chased a Rio they take "run" to a whole new level. Having a smaller, lighter, more compact gun has been a god send. I also hunt with a lot of newbies and kids. I wanted something I could adjust the stock on to fit them as well as not bruise on the other end when they shot. This gun does that in spades. I've currently built 11 guns just like this one for family in friends. I'm in process of building two more, but Knoxx stopped making the stocks so I'm using Remington's SureShot stock. When the kids get old enough they will use this gun, and I'll carry the SureShot.
I think it will be super cool for both my kids to kill a slam with it as well.
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Sand man that is an awesome looking gun. I want it. I would love to build one like that. I just need to do it. All in all how much money do you think the build cost?
Sand man that looks sweet thanks for those pics. I'd love to hear how u think the sure shot stock feels compared to the Knoxx. And is the sure shot compatible for a left hand shooter?
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Quote from: eorlando on February 14, 2017, 01:51:52 PM
Sand man that is an awesome looking gun. I want it. I would love to build one like that. I just need to do it. All in all how much money do you think the build cost?
Thanks. It all depends on what you pay for gun and components. I've paid as little as $160 for a youth 20ga that the stocks were trashed on. I didn't care as I was replacing them and painting the guns. I've paid as much as $250, but youth gun already had synthetic stocks and even had the Knoxx on it. Someone had bought it and converted for a home defense shotgun. The rail runs about $10 thru Amazon, and my smith charges $40 to drill, tap, and attaching. They synthetic forearm from Remington was $20ish, but the SureShot I just bought came with the forearm for $45. I've paid as little as $5 for the choke to $30 now that they are hard to find since I use the "lead only" SuperFull from Remington that they don't produce any more. On the Burris, I paid $240 for one from Cabela's to $100 for a used one when the III's came out. I recently bought a BNIB Fast Fire III for $180. I think the WarBird guard was $40. With all that said, if you bargin shopped and weren't in a hurry you could have a dedicated gun from $300 on the low side like you see above to $550 on the high side.
The paint can be as simple or as complex as you make it. The gun above I spent many hours on. It was my first, and I went a little overboard. I've learned something new and more efficient on each one. I've painted 5 plus. I'll try to dig up some more pictures. I'm in the process of painting a Benelli M1 duck gun for a buddy. Going to be a super simple paint job. The real work is in the prep to paint. You have to sand everything down to bare metal or scuff up the plastic stock, tape off everything you don't want paint on, remove all dirt/oil/grease, spray primer, sand that down, and spray primer again. If you do a good job on getting the primer on, the paint will last. I painted that gun above in 2006.
Quote from: aeasley10 on February 14, 2017, 02:27:26 PM
Sand man that looks sweet thanks for those pics. I'd love to hear how u think the sure shot stock feels compared to the Knoxx. And is the sure shot compatible for a left hand shooter?
Thanks. I bought two sets of SureShots for builds. Hopefully I get to pattern them this weekend or next weekend as long as the weather holds. I'll let you know what I think. Stock looks symmetrical to me, so I don't see why it wouldn't work for a leftie.
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Quote from: SteelerFan on February 14, 2017, 07:01:06 AM
^^^ Agree with Ridge Rooster. The shurshot "points" very well, very natural. It's definitely made for a raised sight system.
The B-square saddle mount does not require any drill & tap. The trigger assembly retention pins are replaced with bolts that fasten the mount. Not as sleek as a rail mount.
The camo is just craft store acrylics and pieces of natural sponge used to apply. You could spray a matt finish clear coat to protect it - but this doesn't need it. If it gets scratched, just grab a sponge and a squirt of fresh paint.
Could u post a pic of the other side of the stock butt, I can't seem to find one of that angle? I shoot lefty, so just wondering how it would feel for me.
Also if I wanted to run a pic rail, I assume I'd have to drill and tap it?
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The shurshot stock is ambidextrous. Not only that, both sides are the same! lol... Won't be any different as a lefty.
Yes - if you want to install a rail mount, the receiver needs to be drilled and tapped.
Quote from: Sand Man on February 14, 2017, 03:36:56 PM
The paint can be as simple or as complex as you make it. The gun above I spent many hours on.[/size] It was my first, and I went a little overboard. I've learned something new and more efficient on each one. I've painted 5 plus. I'll try to dig up some more pictures. I'm in the process of painting a Benelli M1 duck gun for a buddy. Going to be a super simple paint job. The real work is in the prep to paint. You have to sand everything down to bare metal or scuff up the plastic stock, tape off everything you don't want paint on, remove all dirt/oil/grease, spray primer, sand that down, and spray primer again. If you do a good job on getting the primer on, the paint will last. I painted that gun above in 2006.
It looks awesome! And unique :icon_thumright:
Quote from: SteelerFan on February 14, 2017, 05:50:07 PM
Quote from: aeasley10 on February 14, 2017, 01:40:11 PM
Quote from: SteelerFan on February 14, 2017, 07:01:06 AM
^^^ Agree with Ridge Rooster. The shurshot "points" very well, very natural. It's definitely made for a raised sight system.
The B-square saddle mount does not require any drill & tap. The trigger assembly retention pins are replaced with bolts that fasten the mount. Not as sleek as a rail mount.
The camo is just craft store acrylics and pieces of natural sponge used to apply. You could spray a matt finish clear coat to protect it - but this doesn't need it. If it gets scratched, just grab a sponge and a squirt of fresh paint.
Could u post a pic of the other side of the stock butt, I can't seem to find one of that angle? I shoot lefty, so just wondering how it would feel for me.
Also if I wanted to run a pic rail, I assume I'd have to drill and tap it?
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The shurshot stock is ambidextrous. Not only that, both sides are the same! lol... Won't be any different as a lefty.
Yes - if you want to install a rail mount, the receiver needs to be drilled and tapped.
You can run a saddle mount that will have a Weaver Rail....also with the saddle you can still see your sight bead...I used the saddle on mine with a Simmons turkey scope and i still can see under the rail..
Quote from: Sand Man on February 14, 2017, 03:36:56 PM
Quote from: eorlando on February 14, 2017, 01:51:52 PM
Sand man that is an awesome looking gun. I want it. I would love to build one like that. I just need to do it. All in all how much money do you think the build cost?
Thanks. It all depends on what you pay for gun and components. I've paid as little as $160 for a youth 20ga that the stocks were trashed on. I didn't care as I was replacing them and painting the guns. I've paid as much as $250, but youth gun already had synthetic stocks and even had the Knoxx on it. Someone had bought it and converted for a home defense shotgun. The rail runs about $10 thru Amazon, and my smith charges $40 to drill, tap, and attaching. They synthetic forearm from Remington was $20ish, but the SureShot I just bought came with the forearm for $45. I've paid as little as $5 for the choke to $30 now that they are hard to find since I use the "lead only" SuperFull from Remington that they don't produce any more. On the Burris, I paid $240 for one from Cabela's to $100 for a used one when the III's came out. I recently bought a BNIB Fast Fire III for $180. I think the WarBird guard was $40. With all that said, if you bargin shopped and weren't in a hurry you could have a dedicated gun from $300 on the low side like you see above to $550 on the high side.
The paint can be as simple or as complex as you make it. The gun above I spent many hours on. It was my first, and I went a little overboard. I've learned something new and more efficient on each one. I've painted 5 plus. I'll try to dig up some more pictures. I'm in the process of painting a Benelli M1 duck gun for a buddy. Going to be a super simple paint job. The real work is in the prep to paint. You have to sand everything down to bare metal or scuff up the plastic stock, tape off everything you don't want paint on, remove all dirt/oil/grease, spray primer, sand that down, and spray primer again. If you do a good job on getting the primer on, the paint will last. I painted that gun above in 2006.
Quote from: aeasley10 on February 14, 2017, 02:27:26 PM
Sand man that looks sweet thanks for those pics. I'd love to hear how u think the sure shot stock feels compared to the Knoxx. And is the sure shot compatible for a left hand shooter?
Thanks. I bought two sets of SureShots for builds. Hopefully I get to pattern them this weekend or next weekend as long as the weather holds. I'll let you know what I think. Stock looks symmetrical to me, so I don't see why it wouldn't work for a leftie.
How does the knoxx feel comfort wise for cheek height with an optic, and recoil ?
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The shorter barrels seem to shoot better than the longer 20 ga barrels and more consistently.
Quote from: aeasley10 on February 15, 2017, 09:43:36 AM
How does the knoxx feel comfort wise for cheek height with an optic, and recoil ?
Love the Knoxx. I'd still be buying them for builds if they weren't discontinued. I've never noticed an issue with cheek weld to the stock, but they do make a cheek piece that snaps on top of the knoxx if you want it higher. I don't notice any felt recoil. I'm larger that most humans, so felt recoil to me is going to be much different that the average size person. I did put a limbsaver on my Knoxx and have yet to have another adult or kid complain about recoil.
Are the aftermarket stocks heavier? Looking to build a 20 myself and most of the ones I like are not much lighter than my sbe2. The new longbeard 20 is awesome but almost 7lbs
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Quote from: Dtrkyman on February 16, 2017, 08:41:53 AM
Are the aftermarket stocks heavier? Looking to build a 20 myself and most of the ones I like are not much lighter than my sbe2. The new longbeard 20 is awesome but almost 7lbs
My gun as pictured above not loaded is under 6 pounds. I built a SBE I, 24" barrel gun with Steady Grip stock before I got into the 20's. I can promise you my 20 ga is MUCH lighter.
Stock 870 youth is listed at 6lbs...would like to keep it there!
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Quote from: Dtrkyman on February 16, 2017, 08:48:49 PM
Stock 870 youth is listed at 6lbs...would like to keep it there!
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I just don't know if you can keep it at 6 pounds with extended choke, rail, and a sling ...
Lefty here and the sure shot stock works great.
I have a brand new 870 that I'm building right now and have the shurshot stock. It seems that stock might be a little better with optics or some kind of fiber optic sight due to the higher comb. I plan to put optics on it eventually but just in case I can't get that done in the next few weeks, what fiber optics would you guys recommend.
Quote from: AUTiger on February 17, 2017, 11:14:55 AM
I have a brand new 870 that I'm building right now and have the shurshot stock. It seems that stock might be a little better with optics or some kind of fiber optic sight due to the higher comb. I plan to put optics on it eventually but just in case I can't get that done in the next few weeks, what fiber optics would you guys recommend.
For what you are going to pay for good fiber optic, i would buy a saddle mount and buy you a Bushnell TR 25 red dot. The red dot will be anywhere for 50 - 75 dollars you will have to shop for that and a saddle mount will run you around 40 dollars. So your looking around 100 dollars and with good fiber optic your going to spend around 50 dollars...
Quote from: SteelerFan on February 13, 2017, 07:10:31 PM
I just finished my project. Haven't shot it yet, but I'm confident it will do well at the range.
I wanted a dedicated turkey gun, and with the advancement in ammunition I wanted to go with a 20 gauge for the size and weight of the gun. Also because I had a Remington youth 20 already. Is / was my son's gun. He no longer uses it, since he's 6' 2.
I made myself a $200 budget. Figured if I was going to dump a bunch of money in it, I might as well buy a new Weatherby SA459 or similar, along with a FastFire sight, etc.
So...
I bought a shurshot stock on sale at midway ($45), added a B-square saddle mount ($42) / Truglo gobbler dot sight ($42) and a Sumtoy choke ($70). Did a quick homemade / not much thought / camo job to the add-ons. Didn't do receiver or barrel, because of keeping original integrity of the gun. That may change, as well as sight system, etc.
But for now, I have a dedicated 20 ga. turkey rig for $200 and a couple hours labor.
(http://i1042.photobucket.com/albums/b421/32SteelerFan/rem20320final_zpsqcdett6o.jpg) (http://s1042.photobucket.com/user/32SteelerFan/media/rem20320final_zpsqcdett6o.jpg.html)
Have you had any issues with paint scratching or flaking off? What kind of paint did u use? Did u clear coat it?
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Quote from: aeasley10 on April 25, 2017, 12:58:17 AM
Quote from: SteelerFan on February 13, 2017, 07:10:31 PM
I just finished my project. Haven't shot it yet, but I'm confident it will do well at the range.
I wanted a dedicated turkey gun, and with the advancement in ammunition I wanted to go with a 20 gauge for the size and weight of the gun. Also because I had a Remington youth 20 already. Is / was my son's gun. He no longer uses it, since he's 6' 2.
I made myself a $200 budget. Figured if I was going to dump a bunch of money in it, I might as well buy a new Weatherby SA459 or similar, along with a FastFire sight, etc.
So...
I bought a shurshot stock on sale at midway ($45), added a B-square saddle mount ($42) / Truglo gobbler dot sight ($42) and a Sumtoy choke ($70). Did a quick homemade / not much thought / camo job to the add-ons. Didn't do receiver or barrel, because of keeping original integrity of the gun. That may change, as well as sight system, etc.
But for now, I have a dedicated 20 ga. turkey rig for $200 and a couple hours labor.
(http://i1042.photobucket.com/albums/b421/32SteelerFan/rem20320final_zpsqcdett6o.jpg) (http://s1042.photobucket.com/user/32SteelerFan/media/rem20320final_zpsqcdett6o.jpg.html)
Have you had any issues with paint scratching or flaking off? What kind of paint did u use? Did u clear coat it?
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I've carried it for a week so far in the woods... (love this compact gun, by the way!)
I have not had any issues with paint coming off at all. I did not clear coat it, although I would imagine that would add a layer of protection. I literally spent $5 on the paint from the craft section at Walmart. I picked flat acrylic paints in the various "camo" colors in the small squeeze bottles. Applied it with natural sponge (also craft section).
The beauty of this camo job - if you do happen to scratch an area, or find it has come off for some reason... just re-apply more paint. It takes very little paint, so those little bottles could probably do dozens of stock sets.