Prayers for the victims, survivors and families.
Absolutely!!! Prayers needed out towards Vegas. Hope anyone on here from around there stayed safe as well.
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Horror doesn't seem like a strong enough word to describe this.
Absolutely terrible. Prayers to the families and people that were affected by this. This world is becoming more and more dangerous
I had a buddy post something up this morning after watching the news, and I personally don't think I could have said it better myself. Here it is:
"In regards to the comments I've seen about the vegas shooting thus far- Let's pump the brakes here for a second. "Gun culture" is not inherently violent, and is far more broad than a lot of people here are describing. When you're twelve years old and your dad takes you out to shoot soda cans with a .22, that's gun culture. When you go to a target shooting competition, that's gun culture. When you purchase an antique rifle from an auction because you admire its historical significance, that's gun culture. When you go skeet shooting, that's gun culture. This , right here, is a culture of violence. Please do not confuse the two.
We all want to prevent like this from happening again. What we need to do is get the gun community and the general public on the same page. The gun community freaks out when like this happens because it threatens the nonviolent aspect of gun culture that millions of Americans enjoy. It threatens the livelihood of mom and pop gun store owners. It causes fear for people who want a means to defend their families in the event of a home invasion. Yes, it also threatens the bottom line of gun manufacturers, but it is also cause for concern for many nonviolent Americans for whom guns are an important part of their lives. Everybody needs to come to the table with an open mind and talk about what we can do to stop senseless acts of violence. Everybody needs to respect the other party's needs and wants."
Unfortunately the justice system won't give this man a tenth of the torture he deserves for his actions. Truly a sad day for America, and what makes it worse is this appears to be the tip of the iceberg for the impending violence in America.
Once again prayers to all effected, a horrifying event for all, may God shed some grace upon America, as we have had a devastating couple months and are experiencing some of darkest times this country has ever experienced.
Will be praying for all those touched by this senseless act of violence.
Praying for those affected by this tragedy! Also, we need to seriously pray for our country as a whole. Much healing is needed and there is only One who can provide it! People need to get on the same page before we end up under the rule of someone else. Wake up people and realize that we're at a pivotal point in our democracy!
Hookedonhooks, the shooter was found dead. The justice system won't have a chance to have its say.
Quote from: HookedonHooks on October 02, 2017, 11:54:23 AM
Everybody needs to come to the table with an open mind and talk about what we can do to stop senseless acts of violence. Everybody needs to respect the other party's needs and wants."
Are there still people who actually think they can sit across a table with a snowflake and negotiate their 2nd Amendment rights away successfully? Negotiations means losing for the side who has something to lose. I have lost enough.
This was the act of a lonely, angry white man. We may get a hint of what set him off, but that is all. Humans have faced danger from other humans since Cain got a burr under his sandal and so it continues. My prayers go out to the victims and their friends, but negotiate, not I.
Quote from: silvestris on October 02, 2017, 01:30:42 PM
Quote from: HookedonHooks on October 02, 2017, 11:54:23 AM
Everybody needs to come to the table with an open mind and talk about what we can do to stop senseless acts of violence. Everybody needs to respect the other party's needs and wants."
Are there still people who actually think they can sit across a table with a snowflake and negotiate their 2nd Amendment rights away successfully? Negotiations means losing for the side who has something to lose. I have lost enough.
This was the act of a lonely, angry white man. We may get a hint of what set him off, but that is all. Humans have faced danger from other humans since Cain got a burr under his sandal and so it continues. My prayers go out to the victims and their friends, but negotiate, not I.
Have you lost your life or the life of someone you love to a guy with a weapon who's name features the word very word 'Assault'? How many gunshot wounds does a prayer save? Probably not as many as a civilian being incapable of buying an automatic weapon would. But I'm glad you have your rights, you're not the one laying somewhere bleeding.
Geez,...it must be that time of the month,...or maybe its the time of year. ;D
Fellas,...nothing good can come of escalating this discussion. We all have different opinions about different things. We will not solve this country's issues by getting into pissin' matches on here. Remember those who died or were maimed today,...but let it go, otherwise.
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Quote from: silvestris on October 02, 2017, 01:30:42 PM
Quote from: HookedonHooks on October 02, 2017, 11:54:23 AM
Everybody needs to come to the table with an open mind and talk about what we can do to stop senseless acts of violence. Everybody needs to respect the other party's needs and wants."
Are there still people who actually think they can sit across a table with a snowflake and negotiate their 2nd Amendment rights away successfully? Negotiations means losing for the side who has something to lose. I have lost enough.
This was the act of a lonely, angry white man. We may get a hint of what set him off, but that is all. Humans have faced danger from other humans since Cain got a burr under his sandal and so it continues. My prayers go out to the victims and their friends, but negotiate, not I.
Have you lost your life or the life of someone you love to a guy with a weapon who's name features the word very word 'Assault'? How many gunshot wounds does a prayer save? Probably not as many as a civilian being incapable of buying an automatic weapon would. But I'm glad you have your rights, you're not the one laying somewhere bleeding.
You don't think some disgruntled nut job would find another way??
Quote from: 1iagobblergetter on October 02, 2017, 03:46:47 PM
Quote from: compton30 on October 02, 2017, 03:23:04 PM
Quote from: silvestris on October 02, 2017, 01:30:42 PM
Quote from: HookedonHooks on October 02, 2017, 11:54:23 AM
Everybody needs to come to the table with an open mind and talk about what we can do to stop senseless acts of violence. Everybody needs to respect the other party's needs and wants."
Are there still people who actually think they can sit across a table with a snowflake and negotiate their 2nd Amendment rights away successfully? Negotiations means losing for the side who has something to lose. I have lost enough.
This was the act of a lonely, angry white man. We may get a hint of what set him off, but that is all. Humans have faced danger from other humans since Cain got a burr under his sandal and so it continues. My prayers go out to the victims and their friends, but negotiate, not I.
Have you lost your life or the life of someone you love to a guy with a weapon who's name features the word very word 'Assault'? How many gunshot wounds does a prayer save? Probably not as many as a civilian being incapable of buying an automatic weapon would. But I'm glad you have your rights, you're not the one laying somewhere bleeding.
You don't think some disgruntled nut job would find another way??
What other ways are people domestically being killed en masse regularly? This isn't about the people doing the killing. It's about limiting their way of inflicting as much damage as possible.
Quote from: compton30 on October 02, 2017, 03:23:04 PM
Quote from: silvestris on October 02, 2017, 01:30:42 PM
Quote from: HookedonHooks on October 02, 2017, 11:54:23 AM
Everybody needs to come to the table with an open mind and talk about what we can do to stop senseless acts of violence. Everybody needs to respect the other party's needs and wants."
Are there still people who actually think they can sit across a table with a snowflake and negotiate their 2nd Amendment rights away successfully? Negotiations means losing for the side who has something to lose. I have lost enough.
This was the act of a lonely, angry white man. We may get a hint of what set him off, but that is all. Humans have faced danger from other humans since Cain got a burr under his sandal and so it continues. My prayers go out to the victims and their friends, but negotiate, not I.
Have you lost your life or the life of someone you love to a guy with a weapon who's name features the word very word 'Assault'? How many gunshot wounds does a prayer save? Probably not as many as a civilian being incapable of buying an automatic weapon would. But I'm glad you have your rights, you're not the one laying somewhere bleeding.
Where exactly did assault come from? Seriously think about this, it's the liberal medias lingo.
Sounds like the fellow used a real full auto gun not an "automatic" like as in semi so making them more illegal or for the few that have them harder to get or keep is mute cause I haven't heard how the fellow got the gun.
You can't have a intelligent discussion without knowing all facts. Ya gotta stop with the party line nonsense and think for yourself. And we need to stop with the bs politics cause the first thing the libs did is try and seize a moment.
Remember 911, box cutters were used to take down more people. Where there is a will there's a way. Don't want to argue with you, just want you to think
The weapons in which he used were legally purchased, but two of the 10 in the hotel room were said to be illegally converted to fully automatic weapons. That certainly supports the fact that if there's a will there's a way!
The more being uncovered on this one, the more confusing it's getting. The motives behind the terrible attack may never be revealed.
There is no acceptable motive. Evil is evil.
Jer 17:9 "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked; who can know it?" We look to politicians and political parties, we look to Government; we look to laws. We look everywhere but one place, GOD. We have to get on our knees and pray to almighty GOD. The worst thing that happens when we remove God from our lives is that He will leave us to ourselves. That is what is happening. As a country we must turn back to God.
Quote from: silvestris on October 02, 2017, 09:13:33 PM
There is no acceptable motive. Evil is evil.
Absolutely!!! No questioning that, but understanding the reasons behind the violence doesn't justify it with the families of those involved but it gives them closure... After it was brought to light about the Oklahoma City bomber, because he didn't cowardly commit suicide, the families atleast were not left with the lingering question of "why?". That is what haunts the families of unexplainable tragedies such as this one, but you are absolutely correct, it will never be acceptable.
Quote from: greencop01 on October 02, 2017, 09:15:39 PM
That is what is happening. As a country we must turn back to God.
Amen brother!!! We certainly are in desperate time of God's graces, which will only be shed upon us if we call upon him.
Quote from: compton30 on October 02, 2017, 05:22:41 PM
Quote from: 1iagobblergetter on October 02, 2017, 03:46:47 PM
Quote from: compton30 on October 02, 2017, 03:23:04 PM
Quote from: silvestris on October 02, 2017, 01:30:42 PM
Quote from: HookedonHooks on October 02, 2017, 11:54:23 AM
Everybody needs to come to the table with an open mind and talk about what we can do to stop senseless acts of violence. Everybody needs to respect the other party's needs and wants."
Are there still people who actually think they can sit across a table with a snowflake and negotiate their 2nd Amendment rights away successfully? Negotiations means losing for the side who has something to lose. I have lost enough.
This was the act of a lonely, angry white man. We may get a hint of what set him off, but that is all. Humans have faced danger from other humans since Cain got a burr under his sandal and so it continues. My prayers go out to the victims and their friends, but negotiate, not I.
Have you lost your life or the life of someone you love to a guy with a weapon who's name features the word very word 'Assault'? How many gunshot wounds does a prayer save? Probably not as many as a civilian being incapable of buying an automatic weapon would. But I'm glad you have your rights, you're not the one laying somewhere bleeding.
You don't think some disgruntled nut job would find another way??
What other ways are people domestically being killed en masse regularly? This isn't about the people doing the killing. It's about limiting their way of inflicting as much damage as possible.
Homemade Bombs....Poison peoples food....etc...If someone wants people dead bad enough they will find a way know matter what limitations. Look it up on the internet..We live with millions upon millions of people from every walk of life know matter what is done mass killings will always happen.. How many people does drinking and driving kill and also texting and driving? Face it.It's the terrible part of life we live in and you have no control over it. If government takes all of our guns we'll be the defenseless ones the criminals will be able to rob,pillage and kill whoever and whenever.
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Quote from: greencop01 on October 02, 2017, 09:15:39 PM
That is what is happening. As a country we must turn back to God.
Amen brother!!! We certainly are in desperate time of God's graces, which will only be shed upon us if we call upon him.
I agree whole heartedly. God is whats missing in all of this and our only chance for Peace and Harmony...
I was just in PT and I heard someone say something that made lots of sense. If the liberals stopped shooting everyone there'd be 90% less shootings. The fellow was prob right.
Quote from: Bowguy on October 03, 2017, 11:02:51 AM
I was just in PT and I heard someone say something that made lots of sense. If the liberals stopped shooting everyone there'd be 90% less shootings. The fellow was prob right.
You're actually onto something here... It's been proven that several shootings were done by extremist left members.
Which definitely leads to the many conspiracies of the left creating the mass shootings to push their agenda. Which is entirely possible.
The government also did Sandy Hook.
(No tin foil hat, but turkey in bucket)
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I have contemplated on the state of our world and "man kinds" role for some time and I do believe it is our character that is broken and not any material thing/social philosophy. Through out our history there are many accounts of man randomly killing man or acts of genocide. If the heart of people are evil then the actions of said people are evil. Evil comes in many forms, it can be with holding food from the hungry, physically abusing, impoverishing, discrimination and general lack of love for one another. So with that said, no legislation or lack of will cure what is wrong with our society. I also am in the camp that we in The USA have forsaken the ways of our Lord Jesus Christ who said, "love your neighbor as yourself" and do unto others as you would have them do unto you. What we have done is remove God from our schools, work and government. Then expect people to act from moral conviction..... If you are students of the Bible or just time you will find that all of the great societies that forsake the God of creation have fallen, by the weakening of their moral fiber. I am one who believes this country was founded on a Biblical model and our forefathers never envisioned we would govern with out considering basic Christian principles. I do believe each person is free to pursue happiness and fortune and believe in whatever religion they please, but we can not deny this is first a christian nation . You do not have to believe in Jesus Christ,as the majority of Americans do, but you do need to live peacefully among us.
If a man's eye is evil than how much more evil is the man....your vision of the world dictates how you respond and act! So this is not an issue of gun control but conscious control. When we return to our roots we will again see our land blessed and prosper. Guns were not an issue to our past American ancestors, because every one knew and accepted they were tools for survival. Yes some used them for vengeance and evil, but those acts were then and are still criminal acts of lawless and immoral people. Our forefathers did not turn weapons on the innocent population, as a rule. Almost every household had guns and they were kept for appropriate use. So I believe it is the heart of man that has become depraved, guns are just a thing ....like a rock! Cain did not have a Gun to kill his brother, chances are he used a rock or club. Should we outlaw rocks?
ok my rant is over...you all either agree, partially agree, think I'm a fool/zealot or could care less, but I am still your brother and wish you well
I typically avoid religious issues like the plague. And I really don't think that a forum devoted to hunting is a place to express religious (or political) views. But here I go. Lack of god did not cause this tragedy. There has been more atrocities committed in the name of god than anything else. Hitler himself spoke of killing non believers. I'm sure we can agree he wasn't a great man by any means. But in reality, he did nothing that wasn't instructed somewhere or another in the Bible. Was he evil? Damn straight I think he was. Did he break gods rules, he actually followed more biblical rules than he broke. So if a psychopath like him was in support of Christianity, how do you think more god in this country will help?
Hitler followed none of God's rules. One of the commandments is thou shall not kill. One of the commandments is also throu shall not judge or you'll be judged. Did he judge the Jews? Course he did.
I can go on but I'm not gonna rehash the whole bible.
Remember something lack of God didn't help. God fearing people do not commit atrocities such as this. No offense personally to you but I see the above post as non sensical.
Farmboy did you ever actually read the whole bible? Like where it says (in the New Testament) that the Old Testament ways are no more because of the sacrifice Jesus made for us?
There's no way you could have. The Old Testament ways are not the way we live or something to emulate. It's the reason certain cultures are so problematic. Trying really hard to not curse any religion or type but I'm no good at sugar coating nonsense and that's what this is.
Please do not say Hitler was following even one of God's rules.
What I wonder is why so many believe or quote Old Testament wars and stuff yet don't ever quote the New Testament. It's like it doesn't exist
I apologize for the comment. I meant no personal offense to anyone. But if numerous people can post that the lack of god is causing these problems, then can't I post my belief as well? Before you begin judging me for my belief, look at your own. Before judging me as a person, look at yourself. I have donated more money than I know to children's hospitals, charities, relief efforts, etc. I donate blood every time I can. I do this because I feel it helps. I don't pray. I don't feel it benefits anyone but the person doing the praying. I'll openly admit that I'm a "non believer". Does that make me a bad person? To some people, absolutely! Those are the types I would rather avoid. That is why I would love if this site could just stick to hunting and avoid all the political and religious crap. I have no problem with anyone thanking god for their success. No problem with anyone praising god for anything. It's their belief. But when people start blaming the lack of their beliefs on the problems of the world, that's when I take offense. This is not a religious nor a political forum. Send all the prayers you want to the victims. You don't need to do that on the forum. If I am wrong in the thought that this forum was developed for hunting discussion and not political or religious issues, then I guess I'm at the wrong place.
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Quote from: Farmboy27 on October 03, 2017, 07:49:42 PM
I apologize for the comment. I meant no personal offense to anyone. But if numerous people can post that the lack of god is causing these problems, then can't I post my belief as well? Before you begin judging me for my belief, look at your own. Before judging me as a person, look at yourself. I have donated more money than I know to children's hospitals, charities, relief efforts, etc. I donate blood every time I can. I do this because I feel it helps. I don't pray. I don't feel it benefits anyone but the person doing the praying. I'll openly admit that I'm a "non believer". Does that make me a bad person? To some people, absolutely! Those are the types I would rather avoid. That is why I would love if this site could just stick to hunting and avoid all the political and religious crap. I have no problem with anyone thanking god for their success. No problem with anyone praising god for anything. It's their belief. But when people start blaming the lack of their beliefs on the problems of the world, that's when I take offense. This is not a religious nor a political forum. Send all the prayers you want to the victims. You don't need to do that on the forum. If I am wrong in the thought that this forum was developed for hunting discussion and not political or religious issues, then I guess I'm at the wrong place.
Farmboy I'm not judging you. And I was only responding to your post, not bashing you either. All I'm saying is if you're gonna quote something you should actually have some knowledge on the subject. Not just the few things you could have heard.
Give you a for instance, I dated a girl one time that was a evangelical Catholic so she said and whatever that meant.
She didn't like ink and I'm full of tattoos.
When things were nearing the end for us she mentioned she heard we are not allowed to have tattoos.
Ok so I asked her where it said that?
She had zero idea.
If you look to Leviticus, 3rd book in bible it says we should not mark or tattoo our skin, this is Old Testament now and only part of the verse.
The rest says we can't shave the sides of our head or our face, we also can't pierce our skin.
Hmm being my head is shaved that'd be breaking Gods commandment, she was ok with that, I also normally shave my face, she had a pierced belly button ring, ears pierced, I found out she did drugs(Jesus said be sober when He returns), she had sex outside marraige, and she judged me for the ink.
Classic example of only seeing a small part of something. There is a bigger picture. We shouldn't twist the bible to suit an arguement is all I'm saying cause it'll bite us
Quote from: Bowguy on October 03, 2017, 08:26:50 PM
Quote from: Farmboy27 on October 03, 2017, 07:49:42 PM
I apologize for the comment. I meant no personal offense to anyone. But if numerous people can post that the lack of god is causing these problems, then can't I post my belief as well? Before you begin judging me for my belief, look at your own. Before judging me as a person, look at yourself. I have donated more money than I know to children's hospitals, charities, relief efforts, etc. I donate blood every time I can. I do this because I feel it helps. I don't pray. I don't feel it benefits anyone but the person doing the praying. I'll openly admit that I'm a "non believer". Does that make me a bad person? To some people, absolutely! Those are the types I would rather avoid. That is why I would love if this site could just stick to hunting and avoid all the political and religious crap. I have no problem with anyone thanking god for their success. No problem with anyone praising god for anything. It's their belief. But when people start blaming the lack of their beliefs on the problems of the world, that's when I take offense. This is not a religious nor a political forum. Send all the prayers you want to the victims. You don't need to do that on the forum. If I am wrong in the thought that this forum was developed for hunting discussion and not political or religious issues, then I guess I'm at the wrong place.
Farmboy I'm not judging you. And I was only responding to your post, not bashing you either. All I'm saying is if you're gonna quote something you should actually have some knowledge on the subject. Not just the few things you could have heard.
Give you a for instance, I dated a girl one time that was a evangelical Catholic so she said and whatever that meant.
She didn't like ink and I'm full of tattoos.
When things were nearing the end for us she mentioned she heard we are not allowed to have tattoos.
Ok so I asked her where it said that?
She had zero idea.
If you look to Leviticus, 3rd book in bible it says we should not mark or tattoo our skin, this is Old Testament now and only part of the verse.
The rest says we can't shave the sides of our head or our face, we also can't pierce our skin.
Hmm being my head is shaved that'd be breaking Gods commandment, she was ok with that, I also normally shave my face, she had a pierced belly button ring, ears pierced, I found out she did drugs(Jesus said be sober when He returns), she had sex outside marraige, and she judged me for the ink.
Classic example of only seeing a small part of something. There is a bigger picture. We shouldn't twist the bible to suit an arguement is all I'm saying cause it'll bite us
Yeah. Still don't get it. Rules are rules. I can't ignore the first 5 pages of the drivers manual because I like the last 5 pages better. But I will agree to disagree with you! Lol. I just don't think that this is the place for political or religious issues. I have the entire internet for that!
If you read the bible you'd understand tge Old Testament is irrelevant once Jesus was born and saved us. You'd also not say Hitler followed God's commandments
Quote from: Bowguy on October 03, 2017, 08:42:14 PM
If you read the bible you'd understand tge Old Testament is irrelevant once Jesus was born and saved us. You'd also not say Hitler followed God's commandments
As I said. Agree to disagree. I won't criticize your faith. Please don't criticize my lack of it. Some believe in power of prayer, some in power of action. It doesn't mean that we aren't both looking for a better life for everyone and an end to the madness.
Farmboy27, you say you give to charities and children's hospitals, sounds to me like you have a good heart that likes to help people and a person that has a deep compassion for his fellow man. You sound a whole lot like a guy I like to read about. I wish I were more like y'all and I am trying to get there. I wish you did believe in this God that I believe in, because there is just no telling what he could do through a man like you. Thanks for all you do. And I am like you, I just broke my own personal rule that I would not comment anymore on this site on anything that did not have to do with turkey hunting.
Quote from: larry9988 on October 03, 2017, 09:33:51 PM
Farmboy27, you say you give to charities and children's hospitals, sounds to me like you have a good heart that likes to help people and a person that has a deep compassion for his fellow man. You sound a whole lot like a guy I like to read about. I wish I were more like y'all and I am trying to get there. I wish you did believe in this God that I believe in, because there is just no telling what he could do through a man like you. Thanks for all you do. And I am like you, I just broke my own personal rule that I would not comment anymore on this site on anything that did not have to do with turkey hunting.
Well said
I agree on most everyone's post and admit I too would like to see it kept to turkey hunting. There are however, a few times in life that dictate that a moral and conscientious society stands up and speaks against things that will ultimately destroy us, our country and all we love, including turkey hunting. Morality plays a part in hunting as well as life, don't we expect sportsmen to be ethical in our hunting?
I stated my view in response to a terrible tragedy that we all agree was horrendous evil. A free and strong country is open to debate and pursuit of peace for all beliefs. Please do not think I care for anyone less because he does not believe as I do. I spent many more of my years alive as an atheist than a Christian, and the comments I made would have sent me ballistic in my old life. so I appreciate your comments Farmboy and wish you well in your life. Yet I do believe that we are first a country founded on Christian beliefs and our laws reflect that. I believe that all we have is God's creation and a gift. The very forest and turkey, deer and other game are within our stewardship to care for and use. I have found that sportsmen and women are some of the finest people you will ever meet. Many are people of faith and many are not, but they are almost without exception good people. Of course there are some who tarnish that as there are in society that do like wise and do not represent the norm. The shooter in Vegas fits that criteria.
This tragedy has moved us all and it is therapeutic to talk it over. So please forgive us for sharing our hearts on a Turkey hunting forum, this has wounded all Americans. I hope some day we can all walk through God's kingdom in peace. I would share a turkey hunt with most of the posters here and love every minute of it and my religious beliefs would most likely never come up, we'd just have fun busting turkey skulls.
eggshell, those were two mighty fine post you wrote; but, let's not forget that even satan is a believer!! I once heard it said that religion will send more folks to hell than anything else. I believe that. Our salvation hangs not on religion, but on us having a relationship with Jesus Christ. Christ will return for His bride, the Church. Sometimes I think people concentrate on the church more than The Church. To me those words have two different meanings. The one with the little "c" is the place we go to on Sunday. The one with the big "C" is the one the Lord is coming back for! There is a big difference. You're right, this country needs God in the hearts of the men and women. We, as Christians, know what the rest of the story is. Hopefully, we've read that last book in the Bible. Farmboy 27, the book of James says that "faith without works is dead." I agree, sometimes we need to work more, and still pray! I will be the first to say that I don't do near enough witnessing to people to try to spread God's word!! To tell them of the good news of the death, burial and resurrection of our Saviour!
Quote from: M Sharpe on October 04, 2017, 06:02:07 PM
I will be the first to say that I don't do near enough witnessing to people to try to spread God's word!! To tell them of the good news of the death, burial and resurrection of our Saviour!
Amen Mr. Sharpe. :jesus-cross: