I wanted to get the forums thought/facts on the difference between the 12 gauge 3.5 inch versus the 10 gauge. Let's say the loads are the same, both 3.5 inch 2 1/4 oz of shot with both traveling 1300 FPS. Is there a difference in lethality/performance. Thanks....Happy Holidays....
In the past the 12 would put up better numbers but the 10 would rock the back stop. To me the 10ga never had a load to fill up the bore with the O.D. of the wad.
Quote from: SumToy on December 22, 2021, 08:52:32 AM
In the past the 12 would put up better numbers but the 10 would rock the back stop. To me the 10ga never had a load to fill up the bore with the O.D. of the wad.
Thanks my friend......
With plain lead shot standard turkey ammo, I would say they are extremely close in patterning performance, with a slight edge going to the 10 for more even looking patterns. With steel waterfowl loads, my experience with both the 12 and 10, is that the 10 is superior at all ranges, even though published ballistics don't necessarily reflect that. The nice thing about my 10 is that it will put up perfectly acceptable killing patterns at 40 yards with virtually every turkey ammo brand i have with any decent choke. With htl, i have found that mine puts up nice even patterns, but it won't put up the numbers in the 10" @ 40 my 12 gauges' can, shooting similar shells.
I had a Remington SP-10 that I sold years ago when I got my Super Black Eagle. I do love the SBE, but I regret selling that 10 gauge cannon. I miss it.....Happy Holidays...
Quote from: the Ward on December 23, 2021, 06:53:02 AM
With plain lead shot standard turkey ammo, I would say they are extremely close in patterning performance, with a slight edge going to the 10 for more even looking patterns. With steel waterfowl loads, my experience with both the 12 and 10, is that the 10 is superior at all ranges, even though published ballistics don't necessarily reflect that. The nice thing about my 10 is that it will put up perfectly acceptable killing patterns at 40 yards with virtually every turkey ammo brand i have with any decent choke. With htl, i have found that mine puts up nice even patterns, but it won't put up the numbers in the 10" @ 40 my 12 gauges' can, shooting similar shells.
Great info my friend. I do miss mine....Happy Holidays....
The original SBE is a fantastic shotgun, as well as the Sp10. I wanted both bad when they came out, but alas, i was just starting out in life, and did not have the financial wherewithal to make it happen. But i was able to acquire my first Bps 10, that served me well till i foolishly sold it.Luckily i was able to replace it with another on some years ago, a hunter model with the plain finish and synthetic stocks. Still miss my old one with the nice wood and engraved receiver though, it was one beautiful gun for a production piece. Happy Holidays to you also Tom!
Moral of our stories, never sell a gun cause you will regret it....amen my friend......
No expert by no means but the 10's we are messing with currently are out patterning every 12 3.5" I have seen, and I have seen a few. By this I mean in the 10" at 40 yards with Apex 3.5" 2.50z 9's and Apex 10 3.5" 2.50z. 9's. The 835's get fairly close but the 10GA usually average 25-50 more pellets in the 10" at 40.
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Quote from: Ridge Rooster on December 23, 2021, 01:39:48 PM
No expert by no means but the 10's we are messing with currently are out patterning every 12 3.5" I have seen, and I have seen a few. By this I mean in the 10" at 40 yards with Apex 3.5" 2.50z 9's and Apex 10 3.5" 2.50z. 9's. The 835's get fairly close but the 10GA usually average 25-50 more pellets in the 10" at 40.
RidgeRooster
Great info, thx.....
The choke performing best out of two different guns, BPS and H+R, has been an XXXFull Comp n Choke. The constriction best I can tell is .695. Got a .680 Sumtoy that does really close to 500. Fixin to try a couple Nitro's thru BPS and see how they fair.
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Quote from: Ridge Rooster on December 23, 2021, 07:31:07 PM
The choke performing best out of two different guns, BPS and H+R, has been an XXXFull Comp n Choke. The constriction best I can tell is .695. Got a .680 Sumtoy that does really close to 500. Fixin to try a couple Nitro's thru BPS and see how they fair.
Ridge Rooster
Let us know how it does.....happy holidays
You tell me. Does 500 in a 10 inch circle make a turkey Deader than only 400-450?
Quote from: Ihuntoldschool on December 24, 2021, 01:00:53 AM
You tell me. Does 500 in a 10 inch circle make a turkey Deader than only 400-450?
yes
I love 10 gauges. They knock em down. The only drawback is weight. If you run & gun, the mighty 10 can be cumbersome. My 3.5 inch Benelli comes in at just under 7 pounds, (around 6.9). If I was a sitter/blind hunter, the 10 would be great. It all comes down to personal preference and performance. I always have my eye out for another 10........I will eventually pick one up......Happy Holidays....
I just missed a Browning auto 10 beautiful gun like brand new. Was gone when I went back to get it. 500 in the ten would be awesome to see. I've never shot 12 ga 3 1/2" TSS out of supermag the 3" do just fine.
Merry Christmas
No we all know that it doesn't take 500 in 10" to kill a turkey. I remember trying to get 100 in the 10" back 30+ years ago and calling that good, which it was back then because that was the best that technology allowed at the time. With today's advancement in chokes and shells there obviously is a huge increase in performance and with gauge increase there should be performance increase or no reason to accommodate the extra weight and recoil. Me and a hunting buddy are just trying to see how much we can get in the 10" just like a rifle shooter tries to decrease group size. If a guy who only plans to shoot a few shells a year at turkeys and looking for the best performance they can get for their 10"s then they can look at threads like this and others and determine if they want to use the information that we shot waisters find.
Ridge Rooster
Quote from: Ridge Rooster on December 24, 2021, 08:20:12 AM
No we all know that it doesn't take 500 in 10" to kill a turkey. I remember trying to get 100 in the 10" back 30+ years ago and calling that good, which it was back then because that was the best that technology allowed at the time. With today's advancement in chokes and shells there obviously is a huge increase in performance and with gauge increase there should be performance increase or no reason to accommodate the extra weight and recoil. Me and a hunting buddy are just trying to see how much we can get in the 10" just like a rifle shooter tries to decrease group size. If a guy who only plans to shoot a few shells a year at turkeys and looking for the best performance they can get for their 10"s then they can look at threads like this and others and determine if they want to use the information that we shot waisters find.
Ridge Rooster
I love patterning Guns and different choke/loads in the preseason. It's all part of our sport that we all love....
For those interested I shot my BPS 10 2 times today with the first 2 handloads I put together. Both broke 500 in 10" and 380 to 400 in the 20". I loaded up a few more to try in my Buddies H+R and SP10.
Ridge Rooster
Nice.......
What a pattern. How much does a reloaded shell cost with that much TSS?
Update on load development, backed off one grain of powder and 10" increased to 553 and 20 was 316 in 20". Backed off one more grain just to see if the increase in 10" was a fluke and shot the best 10" count we have seen so far 617 in 10" and 308 in 20". They were shot out of my modified BPS with 21" barrel and Comp n Choke XXXFull at a laser ranged 40 yards.
My buddies SP10 prefers 2 more grains of powder and is pretty consistent with mid 500 in 10" and 350+ in 20". His H+R single shot has an issue with piercing primers with our loads but it also does with Apex loadings.
Unsure what the cost is as I have not broke price down yet but I am buying TSS for about 40 bucks a pound and we have a shot trap also. I load for several people from 410, 16, 20, 12 and 10 gauges.
We were pretty content with the Apex loads for the 10's but they have increased to over 70 bucks and really didn't show a big increase over their 12ga 3.5" 2.5oz loading. We decided that if we were going to pack a 10 that we would have to see an increase in performance so we finally found all the components we needed and started loading them.
Ridge Rooster
617 in ten is amazing. Ol Tom won't stand a chance with that.
I own a SBE1 12 ga. and a BPS 10 Ga. Both will do the job no problem. I like them both so use both at times. The SBE is much lighter in weight and shoots great patterns with lead but the 10 REALLY lights them up with the now discontinued Winchester Supreme HV 2oz. load of #6 shot! Glad I kept them both.
Notice Rogers has HeviShot Mag Blend 10's currently. They use 2 3/4oz of shot and I am curious how they preform.
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