Ok guys had my new Mueller Quickshot out today in the sun and noticed it seems to shine that orange/red glare pretty good when the sun is shining on it from the other side. Has anyone had birds spook because of this, or do you think it will cause any problems?
I've always wondered the same thing. With them being so reflective - they will have to negatively affect you at some point.
I'm shootin with the Muler MX1 1x35 red dot (tube) on my 835. It has the same glow as the quick shot, if not worse. I definately beleive it has spooked birds on me. I try to keep mine covered as long as I can now. I'm gonna try to get a sun shade for it. Hopefully this will help a little
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I will not use a red dot scope for turkey hunting. While the majority of birds will never notice the glare, one day one old wise bird will. It amazes me how many people are not aware of the glare.
I understand not "all" of the dot scopes on the market put off a red glow (not talking about the lazer bead but the glow from the butt end of the scope). If you don't know, empty your gun, check it and make sure its empty. Then check it again! to be double sure its empty and set it on a vice turn on the scope and walk back 15 yards and look into the scope and see if you see the glowing red end. With most you will.
Try a traditional cross hair....see http://www.outdoorsurveys.com/The_Perfect_Turkey_Gun.html
Best of luck
gsw
Interesting I can see the red dot or what ever I have selected from across the room if I am at 7 or higher on the dial but I have not seen a glow? If I turn the intensity down to 3 or 4 it all but disappears across the room (20 to 30 feet away) but still no glow? Will try it outdoors when the rain stops.
The front of the lens on a reflex sight has to be mirrored. Most of the time it is going to be reflecting what is around you and will just look camoflauged like the rest of your gun. In some cases when the sun is at just the right angle though it is going to glint. I have been using them for 5 years now and a lot of turkeys both dead and hens and jakes that walked off have had the opportunity to see the front of that lens. In that time I have had 1 bird spook. Did it spook because of the lens? Who knows. But the percentage is low. That is the risk you are going to take if you want to use a red dot sight and be absolutely sure where your load is going to go.
I agree wholeheartedly. The reward far outways the risk in this situation. I can't say that I have ever had one spook because of the glare. There are many things that can/may spook a tom, but this is one risk that I, for one , am willing to take. At least, when you do pull the trigger, you know that he is toast..Everytime..Mike
i regular scope as a glass front as well so in certain light conditions it too will have a glare.....pros and cons will always be there when talking about hunting gear.
Quote from: Hognutz on March 30, 2011, 02:10:15 PM
I agree wholeheartedly. The reward far outways the risk in this situation. I can't say that I have ever had one spook because of the glare. There are many things that can/may spook a tom, but this is one risk that I, for one , am willing to take. At least, when you do pull the trigger, you know that he is toast..Everytime..Mike
Well said. :agreed:
Well i have had the concern but have hunted alot and not spooked game that i am aware of.
Coyote, turkey, deer, crows, pigeons. Usually the control is on automatic, have called turkey and
crows as close as ten yards. As long as you don't move the gun suddenly i think you are ok.
Quote from: Skeeterbait on March 30, 2011, 01:23:44 PM
The front of the lens on a reflex sight has to be mirrored. Most of the time it is going to be reflecting what is around you and will just look camoflauged like the rest of your gun. In some cases when the sun is at just the right angle though it is going to glint. I have been using them for 5 years now and a lot of turkeys both dead and hens and jakes that walked off have had the opportunity to see the front of that lens. In that time I have had 1 bird spook. Did it spook because of the lens? Who knows. But the percentage is low. That is the risk you are going to take if you want to use a red dot sight and be absolutely sure where your load is going to go.
I agree with this...
by the time a bird has a time to study the reflection off the front of my red dot scope....Ive either decided to pass on him (jake or hen) or he's about to get one final opportunity to spook off of the white shot wad coming down my barrel towards his head at 1200 fps.
Some of you guys make these birds out to be bullet proof in your minds.
I try to eliminate every possible factor that could spook a bird. Within reason of course. That is one of the reasons I went with the Eotech. Because they are holographic, they do not need any colored lens coatings.
Quote from: busta biggun on April 17, 2011, 08:51:49 PM
I try to eliminate every possible factor that could spook a bird. Within reason of course. That is one of the reasons I went with the Eotech. Because they are holographic, they do not need any colored lens coatings.
This was a huge upside for me. One of the many reasons I opted to purchase one.
Facing the sun is ALWAYS a bad situation when calling in a turkey. I know there are times where you don't have a choice, but just as you would hunt the wind in deer hunting its always best to have the sun to your back when working a turkey.
I have an older Leupold/Gilmore red dot sight on my Benelli SBE. To my knowledge I have NEVER scared a bird because of glare from the sight.
IMO, more birds have been killed with red dots, than have been spooked by them.
More than likely, movement by the hunter is what spooks the bird, not the glare from the front of the sight.
I have to agree with what redlegs06 said.
I was worried about this issue when I first started using a red dot. I've come to the conclusion that if he's a shooter, it's "Bang" long before he's close enough to see the glare.
This has been talked about a lot on here. I believe it gets amplified when you throw everyone in the same ring. Lens glare among a thousand other things are capable of looking a bird. I started using red dots 10 years ago. I don't believe I've ever had one spook from the lens but who's to tell. Been too many birds dropped to have been considered a real problem. Considering hunting cover, shading, terrain, yardage, weather and all the various angles we shoot birds at I don't even let it be an issue. If you are considering a scope but worried sick about glare, trust me it ain't worth the time. Just do it and enjoy the hunt.