I see it seems as most people are either shooting the Federal or Apex brand tss. Has anyone had any experience with the Tssshot brand or the Boss brand. I see the Boss brand has 2oz 20ga. load. I never knew that would even be possible. Thanks for the input.
I've been pleased with Nitro Company, though I've only used their 10 gauge shells. Pattern great, lots of options and they've shown excellent customer service.
I have shot Federal, Apex, Nitro, Rogue and Boss.
Until they come out with something superior for my gun, the 2 oz Boss will be my choice.
Quote from: randywallace on March 08, 2021, 01:44:45 PM
I have shot Federal, Apex, Nitro, Rogue and Boss.
Until they come out with something superior for my gun, the 2 oz Boss will be my choice.
Now that's a pattern.
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Quote from: Gentry on March 10, 2021, 03:50:48 AM
Quote from: randywallace on March 08, 2021, 01:44:45 PM
I have shot Federal, Apex, Nitro, Rogue and Boss.
Until they come out with something superior for my gun, the 2 oz Boss will be my choice.
Now that's a pattern.
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It'd better be with over 720 pellets in that load. Lol
I've been very pleased with TSSshot.
340's in a 10" circle at 40 yards with their 1 5/8s 9's out of my M2 compact and an Indian Creek .555.
Quote from: mightyjoeyoung on March 10, 2021, 05:32:05 AM
Quote from: Gentry on March 10, 2021, 03:50:48 AM
Quote from: randywallace on March 08, 2021, 01:44:45 PM
I have shot Federal, Apex, Nitro, Rogue and Boss.
Until they come out with something superior for my gun, the 2 oz Boss will be my choice.
Now that's a pattern.
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It'd better be with over 720 pellets in that load. Lol
I have to wonder when you reach a point of dimishing returns? I do not count pellets in a 10" or other size circle but prefer an even pattern. I eat my turkeys and really do not want to be chewing down on TSS. Yes, TSS does stay in the turkey much of the time especally if it hits bone.
Quote from: mtns2hunt on March 14, 2021, 09:59:39 PM
Quote from: mightyjoeyoung on March 10, 2021, 05:32:05 AM
Quote from: Gentry on March 10, 2021, 03:50:48 AM
Quote from: randywallace on March 08, 2021, 01:44:45 PM
I have shot Federal, Apex, Nitro, Rogue and Boss.
Until they come out with something superior for my gun, the 2 oz Boss will be my choice.
Now that's a pattern.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
It'd better be with over 720 pellets in that load. Lol
I have to wonder when you reach a point of dimishing returns? I do not count pellets in a 10" or other size circle but prefer an even pattern. I eat my turkeys and really do not want to be chewing down on TSS. Yes, TSS does stay in the turkey much of the time especally if it hits bone.
I find inside of about 40 yards, the TSS 9s zip right through a big bird unless they hit wing bone and heavy flight feathers first. That said I absolutely agree that at some point there just comes a limit as to what is overkill...
Quote from: mightyjoeyoung on March 15, 2021, 10:44:36 AM
I find inside of about 40 yards, the TSS 9s zip right through a big bird unless they hit wing bone and heavy flight feathers first. That said I absolutely agree that at some point there just comes a limit as to what is overkill...
Agreed. My Mossberg 500 20 gauge with a 22" barrel and IC .555 will do 329 with 1 3/8th oz of 9s, and 238 with 1.5 oz. of straight 8s.
I'm moving to the straight 8s. I'll take the added penetration and decreased pellet count over the blistering 9 pattern.
238 in a 10" circle with 8s is devastating performance at 40 yards.
Quote from: mtns2hunt on March 14, 2021, 09:59:39 PM
I have to wonder when you reach a point of dimishing returns? I do not count pellets in a 10" or other size circle but prefer an even pattern. I eat my turkeys and really do not want to be chewing down on TSS. Yes, TSS does stay in the turkey much of the time especally if it hits bone.
Diminishing marginal return implies that something is in fact diminishing. In this situation, price and performance are my factors of concern. The Boss 2 oz shells significantly outperform other TSS I have shot and the price is equivalent or less. Boss cost me $45 per 5 delivered to my hand. Apex cost me $46/5. Rogue was $53/5. Federal was $39/5.
A dollar a shell difference between the 1.5 oz Federal and the 2.0 oz Boss is well justified to me based on the performance difference. I have no interest in shooting lead out of a 20 so the price difference between Longbeards and any TSS in 20 is immaterial to me.
Quote from: randywallace on March 16, 2021, 11:48:44 AM
Quote from: mtns2hunt on March 14, 2021, 09:59:39 PM
I have to wonder when you reach a point of dimishing returns? I do not count pellets in a 10" or other size circle but prefer an even pattern. I eat my turkeys and really do not want to be chewing down on TSS. Yes, TSS does stay in the turkey much of the time especally if it hits bone.
Diminishing marginal return implies that something is in fact diminishing. In this situation, price and performance are my factors of concern. The Boss 2 oz shells significantly outperform other TSS I have shot and the price is equivalent or less. Boss cost me $45 per 5 delivered to my hand. Apex cost me $46/5. Rogue was $53/5. Federal was $39/5.
A dollar a shell difference between the 1.5 oz Federal and the 2.0 oz Boss is well justified to me based on the performance difference. I have no interest in shooting lead out of a 20 so the price difference between Longbeards and any TSS in 20 is immaterial to me.
Everyone has their own view of cost versus effectiveness. Your paying more per shell to increase performance that really is not needed is a diminishing return when a much lower pellet count will more than suffice. After all we have been killing turkeys for years with lead shot.
Today we have TSS and other heavier then lead options to hunt with which provide longer range, better patterns and penetration. Personally I feel it is up to each individual to decide how they hunt and what they hunt with. But I like even patterns, good penetration but try to limit (excess shot) overkill. The obsession with super dense patterns that can blow a turkeys head off at thirty yards puzzles me (might be great in a shooting match). Currently I shoot 1 5/8 oz TSS and have never failed to kill my bird (when I do my part.) So I continue to wonder what the fascination with super dense patterns are when from my experience they do present as overkill. Just trying to understand others motivation and not trying to be critical.
Quote from: mtns2hunt on March 16, 2021, 10:06:28 PM
Quote from: randywallace on March 16, 2021, 11:48:44 AM
Quote from: mtns2hunt on March 14, 2021, 09:59:39 PM
I have to wonder when you reach a point of dimishing returns? I do not count pellets in a 10" or other size circle but prefer an even pattern. I eat my turkeys and really do not want to be chewing down on TSS. Yes, TSS does stay in the turkey much of the time especally if it hits bone.
Diminishing marginal return implies that something is in fact diminishing. In this situation, price and performance are my factors of concern. The Boss 2 oz shells significantly outperform other TSS I have shot and the price is equivalent or less. Boss cost me $45 per 5 delivered to my hand. Apex cost me $46/5. Rogue was $53/5. Federal was $39/5.
A dollar a shell difference between the 1.5 oz Federal and the 2.0 oz Boss is well justified to me based on the performance difference. I have no interest in shooting lead out of a 20 so the price difference between Longbeards and any TSS in 20 is immaterial to me.
Everyone has their own view of cost versus effectiveness. Your paying more per shell to increase performance that really is not needed is a diminishing return when a much lower pellet count will more than suffice. After all we have been killing turkeys for years with lead shot.
Today we have TSS and other heavier then lead options to hunt with which provide longer range, better patterns and penetration. Personally I feel it is up to each individual to decide how they hunt and what they hunt with. But I like even patterns, good penetration but try to limit (excess shot) overkill. The obsession with super dense patterns that can blow a turkeys head off at thirty yards puzzles me (might be great in a shooting match). Currently I shoot 1 5/8 oz TSS and have never failed to kill my bird (when I do my part.) So I continue to wonder what the fascination with super dense patterns are when from my experience they do present as overkill. Just trying to understand others motivation and not trying to be critical.
He kinda missed the point by a mile, didn't he? :z-winnersmiley:
Quote from: mightyjoeyoung on March 19, 2021, 08:54:28 AM
Quote from: mtns2hunt on March 16, 2021, 10:06:28 PM
Quote from: randywallace on March 16, 2021, 11:48:44 AM
Quote from: mtns2hunt on March 14, 2021, 09:59:39 PM
I have to wonder when you reach a point of dimishing returns? I do not count pellets in a 10" or other size circle but prefer an even pattern. I eat my turkeys and really do not want to be chewing down on TSS. Yes, TSS does stay in the turkey much of the time especally if it hits bone.
Diminishing marginal return implies that something is in fact diminishing. In this situation, price and performance are my factors of concern. The Boss 2 oz shells significantly outperform other TSS I have shot and the price is equivalent or less. Boss cost me $45 per 5 delivered to my hand. Apex cost me $46/5. Rogue was $53/5. Federal was $39/5.
A dollar a shell difference between the 1.5 oz Federal and the 2.0 oz Boss is well justified to me based on the performance difference. I have no interest in shooting lead out of a 20 so the price difference between Longbeards and any TSS in 20 is immaterial to me.
Everyone has their own view of cost versus effectiveness. Your paying more per shell to increase performance that really is not needed is a diminishing return when a much lower pellet count will more than suffice. After all we have been killing turkeys for years with lead shot.
Today we have TSS and other heavier then lead options to hunt with which provide longer range, better patterns and penetration. Personally I feel it is up to each individual to decide how they hunt and what they hunt with. But I like even patterns, good penetration but try to limit (excess shot) overkill. The obsession with super dense patterns that can blow a turkeys head off at thirty yards puzzles me (might be great in a shooting match). Currently I shoot 1 5/8 oz TSS and have never failed to kill my bird (when I do my part.) So I continue to wonder what the fascination with super dense patterns are when from my experience they do present as overkill. Just trying to understand others motivation and not trying to be critical.
He kinda missed the point by a mile, didn't he? :z-winnersmiley:
I didn't miss squat. He appears to be under the impression that I am paying more per shell to get a 2 oz load instead of the 1 5/8 load he uses. It is exactly what he said. "Your paying more per shell to increase performance that really is not needed is a diminishing return"
Fact is I am not paying more per shell than any 1 5/8 commercial load I have found. Factor in shipping and the Boss 2oz cost me less per shell than 1 5/8 oz loads from Apex, Foxtrot, Nitro, Pendleton, Federal or Burgess Creek. For that extra 3/8 oz, I get 130+ extra pellets for free. If picking pellets out of breasts was a terrible concern to me, I wouldn't be shooting 9 shot to begin with.
Quote from: randywallace on March 19, 2021, 12:25:14 PM
Quote from: mightyjoeyoung on March 19, 2021, 08:54:28 AM
Quote from: mtns2hunt on March 16, 2021, 10:06:28 PM
Quote from: randywallace on March 16, 2021, 11:48:44 AM
Quote from: mtns2hunt on March 14, 2021, 09:59:39 PM
I have to wonder when you reach a point of dimishing returns? I do not count pellets in a 10" or other size circle but prefer an even pattern. I eat my turkeys and really do not want to be chewing down on TSS. Yes, TSS does stay in the turkey much of the time especally if it hits bone.
Diminishing marginal return implies that something is in fact diminishing. In this situation, price and performance are my factors of concern. The Boss 2 oz shells significantly outperform other TSS I have shot and the price is equivalent or less. Boss cost me $45 per 5 delivered to my hand. Apex cost me $46/5. Rogue was $53/5. Federal was $39/5.
A dollar a shell difference between the 1.5 oz Federal and the 2.0 oz Boss is well justified to me based on the performance difference. I have no interest in shooting lead out of a 20 so the price difference between Longbeards and any TSS in 20 is immaterial to me.
Everyone has their own view of cost versus effectiveness. Your paying more per shell to increase performance that really is not needed is a diminishing return when a much lower pellet count will more than suffice. After all we have been killing turkeys for years with lead shot.
Today we have TSS and other heavier then lead options to hunt with which provide longer range, better patterns and penetration. Personally I feel it is up to each individual to decide how they hunt and what they hunt with. But I like even patterns, good penetration but try to limit (excess shot) overkill. The obsession with super dense patterns that can blow a turkeys head off at thirty yards puzzles me (might be great in a shooting match). Currently I shoot 1 5/8 oz TSS and have never failed to kill my bird (when I do my part.) So I continue to wonder what the fascination with super dense patterns are when from my experience they do present as overkill. Just trying to understand others motivation and not trying to be critical.
He kinda missed the point by a mile, didn't he? :z-winnersmiley:
I didn't miss squat. He appears to be under the impression that I am paying more per shell to get a 2 oz load instead of the 1 5/8 load he uses. It is exactly what he said. "Your paying more per shell to increase performance that really is not needed is a diminishing return"
Fact is I am not paying more per shell than any 1 5/8 commercial load I have found. Factor in shipping and the Boss 2oz cost me less per shell than 1 5/8 oz loads from Apex, Foxtrot, Nitro, Pendleton, Federal or Burgess Creek. For that extra 3/8 oz, I get 130+ extra pellets for free. If picking pellets out of breasts was a terrible concern to me, I wouldn't be shooting 9 shot to begin with.
I completely agree with you, the Boss Tom tungsten are, as you said , $45 + tax and shipping IS FREE when over $100 is spent (no hard to do) and you're gettin 2oz. of 9s compared to the normal 1 5/8 oz. .....don't see how that's a miss of any kind....ESPECIALLY WITH A FULL 2 OZ. !!!!!!!!
Quote from: BINK McCARTY on March 20, 2021, 04:24:10 AM
Quote from: randywallace on March 19, 2021, 12:25:14 PM
Quote from: mightyjoeyoung on March 19, 2021, 08:54:28 AM
Quote from: mtns2hunt on March 16, 2021, 10:06:28 PM
Quote from: randywallace on March 16, 2021, 11:48:44 AM
Quote from: mtns2hunt on March 14, 2021, 09:59:39 PM
I have to wonder when you reach a point of dimishing returns? I do not count pellets in a 10" or other size circle but prefer an even pattern. I eat my turkeys and really do not want to be chewing down on TSS. Yes, TSS does stay in the turkey much of the time especally if it hits bone.
Diminishing marginal return implies that something is in fact diminishing. In this situation, price and performance are my factors of concern. The Boss 2 oz shells significantly outperform other TSS I have shot and the price is equivalent or less. Boss cost me $45 per 5 delivered to my hand. Apex cost me $46/5. Rogue was $53/5. Federal was $39/5.
A dollar a shell difference between the 1.5 oz Federal and the 2.0 oz Boss is well justified to me based on the performance difference. I have no interest in shooting lead out of a 20 so the price difference between Longbeards and any TSS in 20 is immaterial to me.
Everyone has their own view of cost versus effectiveness. Your paying more per shell to increase performance that really is not needed is a diminishing return when a much lower pellet count will more than suffice. After all we have been killing turkeys for years with lead shot.
Today we have TSS and other heavier then lead options to hunt with which provide longer range, better patterns and penetration. Personally I feel it is up to each individual to decide how they hunt and what they hunt with. But I like even patterns, good penetration but try to limit (excess shot) overkill. The obsession with super dense patterns that can blow a turkeys head off at thirty yards puzzles me (might be great in a shooting match). Currently I shoot 1 5/8 oz TSS and have never failed to kill my bird (when I do my part.) So I continue to wonder what the fascination with super dense patterns are when from my experience they do present as overkill. Just trying to understand others motivation and not trying to be critical.
He kinda missed the point by a mile, didn't he? :z-winnersmiley:
I didn't miss squat. He appears to be under the impression that I am paying more per shell to get a 2 oz load instead of the 1 5/8 load he uses. It is exactly what he said. "Your paying more per shell to increase performance that really is not needed is a diminishing return"
Fact is I am not paying more per shell than any 1 5/8 commercial load I have found. Factor in shipping and the Boss 2oz cost me less per shell than 1 5/8 oz loads from Apex, Foxtrot, Nitro, Pendleton, Federal or Burgess Creek. For that extra 3/8 oz, I get 130+ extra pellets for free. If picking pellets out of breasts was a terrible concern to me, I wouldn't be shooting 9 shot to begin with.
I completely agree with you, the Boss Tom tungsten are, as you said , $45 + tax and shipping IS FREE when over $100 is spent (no hard to do) and you're gettin 2oz. of 9s compared to the normal 1 5/8 oz. .....don't see how that's a miss of any kind....ESPECIALLY WITH A FULL 2 OZ. !!!!!!!!
Hopefully you will be able to continue geting your commercial shells for 45 + tax and shipping. The way prices fluxuate these days I would surely stock up if possible. 2 oz of #9 is a heavy load in my opinion but hey if you need it go for it. As previously stated "Personally I feel it is up to each individual to decide how they hunt and what they hunt with."
I do not purchase commercial TSS but handload my own and have been since before the commerical craze hit. I am always interested in what an individual is shooting and why. My turkeys fall dead when shot with 1 5/8 #9 as they do with #4 and soon to be tried #6. I am currently looking for an effective load with less shot maybe 1oz or 1.5. Your 2oz is going the other way I wonder why. Not knoking your pet load intentionally but just curious.
I am also looking to load a lighter shell, I have the recipe just have not bought the components. I shoot Hal's big 20xl 1 5/8 and it is impressive. However you can only hit the bird with so many pellets so I am looking to lighten the load, he gave me an 1 1/4 load I believe.
Quote from: Dtrkyman on March 21, 2021, 09:14:39 AM
I am also looking to load a lighter shell, I have the recipe just have not bought the components. I shoot Hal's big 20xl 1 5/8 and it is impressive. However you can only hit the bird with so many pellets so I am looking to lighten the load, he gave me an 1 1/4 load I believe.
Thats more what I'm looking to do as well. Just bought 10 pounds of tss 9 shot and want to go a touch lighter than the really heavy loads. 1 1/4- 1 3/8 ounce max. Saves shot and thats still a sh!t ton of pellets.
I reduced one of Hal's 20ga loads down to 1oz of tss 9's.
it averages in the upper 150's at 40yds
which according to the .7 rule and also from patterning it, gives more than 100 in the 10" at 50
Quote from: mtns2hunt on March 20, 2021, 11:40:55 PM
Quote from: BINK McCARTY on March 20, 2021, 04:24:10 AM
Quote from: randywallace on March 19, 2021, 12:25:14 PM
Quote from: mightyjoeyoung on March 19, 2021, 08:54:28 AM
Quote from: mtns2hunt on March 16, 2021, 10:06:28 PM
Quote from: randywallace on March 16, 2021, 11:48:44 AM
Quote from: mtns2hunt on March 14, 2021, 09:59:39 PM
I have to wonder when you reach a point of dimishing returns? I do not count pellets in a 10" or other size circle but prefer an even pattern. I eat my turkeys and really do not want to be chewing down on TSS. Yes, TSS does stay in the turkey much of the time especally if it hits bone.
Diminishing marginal return implies that something is in fact diminishing. In this situation, price and performance are my factors of concern. The Boss 2 oz shells significantly outperform other TSS I have shot and the price is equivalent or less. Boss cost me $45 per 5 delivered to my hand. Apex cost me $46/5. Rogue was $53/5. Federal was $39/5.
A dollar a shell difference between the 1.5 oz Federal and the 2.0 oz Boss is well justified to me based on the performance difference. I have no interest in shooting lead out of a 20 so the price difference between Longbeards and any TSS in 20 is immaterial to me.
Everyone has their own view of cost versus effectiveness. Your paying more per shell to increase performance that really is not needed is a diminishing return when a much lower pellet count will more than suffice. After all we have been killing turkeys for years with lead shot.
Today we have TSS and other heavier then lead options to hunt with which provide longer range, better patterns and penetration. Personally I feel it is up to each individual to decide how they hunt and what they hunt with. But I like even patterns, good penetration but try to limit (excess shot) overkill. The obsession with super dense patterns that can blow a turkeys head off at thirty yards puzzles me (might be great in a shooting match). Currently I shoot 1 5/8 oz TSS and have never failed to kill my bird (when I do my part.) So I continue to wonder what the fascination with super dense patterns are when from my experience they do present as overkill. Just trying to understand others motivation and not trying to be critical.
He kinda missed the point by a mile, didn't he? :z-winnersmiley:
I didn't miss squat. He appears to be under the impression that I am paying more per shell to get a 2 oz load instead of the 1 5/8 load he uses. It is exactly what he said. "Your paying more per shell to increase performance that really is not needed is a diminishing return"
Fact is I am not paying more per shell than any 1 5/8 commercial load I have found. Factor in shipping and the Boss 2oz cost me less per shell than 1 5/8 oz loads from Apex, Foxtrot, Nitro, Pendleton, Federal or Burgess Creek. For that extra 3/8 oz, I get 130+ extra pellets for free. If picking pellets out of breasts was a terrible concern to me, I wouldn't be shooting 9 shot to begin with.
I completely agree with you, the Boss Tom tungsten are, as you said , $45 + tax and shipping IS FREE when over $100 is spent (no hard to do) and you're gettin 2oz. of 9s compared to the normal 1 5/8 oz. .....don't see how that's a miss of any kind....ESPECIALLY WITH A FULL 2 OZ. !!!!!!!!
Hopefully you will be able to continue geting your commercial shells for 45 + tax and shipping. The way prices fluxuate these days I would surely stock up if possible. 2 oz of #9 is a heavy load in my opinion but hey if you need it go for it. As previously stated "Personally I feel it is up to each individual to decide how they hunt and what they hunt with."
I do not purchase commercial TSS but handload my own and have been since before the commerical craze hit. I am always interested in what an individual is shooting and why. My turkeys fall dead when shot with 1 5/8 #9 as they do with #4 and soon to be tried #6. I am currently looking for an effective load with less shot maybe 1oz or 1.5. Your 2oz is going the other way I wonder why. Not knoking your pet load intentionally but just curious.
It's not so much a "need" as it is just plain available...what's the downside to paying less for more shot ? That's going to increase your odds in harvesting a bird. I also agree that 2 oz. of shot is not needed, but again, its there and costs' less than loads with a lesser payload and pattern phenomenal.