The state of New York has filed a lawsuit against the NRA and several officers seeking to abolish the NRA. Just an election ploy to destroy our gun rights. The petition is around 169 pages long and I have not yet had the opportunity to read it yet, but it appears to allege insider dealings for personal gain. The board must investigate the allegations and clean house, if necessary. The association is more important than any individual.
However, the libtards can not be allowed to destroy the association.
I agree, we can't let any of these organizations be abolished , they all need our support more than ever NOW. NRA, NWTF and so on...
Quote from: Greg Massey on August 06, 2020, 02:17:13 PM
I agree, we can't let any of these organizations be abolished , they all need our support more than ever NOW. NRA, NWTF and so on...
is it really wise to be giving more money to an organization that is being charged with fraud and basically stealing money to line their own pockets? Not that I think the gun lobby doesn't need or shouldn't have an organization but perhaps the NRA is too corrupt to continue in its current form
Quote from: Big Guy on August 06, 2020, 03:44:01 PM
Quote from: Greg Massey on August 06, 2020, 02:17:13 PM
I agree, we can't let any of these organizations be abolished , they all need our support more than ever NOW. NRA, NWTF and so on...
is it really wise to be giving more money to an organization that is being charged with fraud and basically stealing money to line their own pockets? Not that I think the gun lobby doesn't need or shouldn't have an organization but perhaps the NRA is too corrupt to continue in its current form
Everyone has opinions , good for you ..
Just imagine what the NRA could be with Wayne gone.
Yes, everyone has their opinion. NRA and especially the NWTF have gotten way too money hungry. When we give them
Money they hammer us wanting more. Very frustrating. We need the NRA but they need to get their stuff straight. Not too sure we need the NWTF any longer unless they get back to helping with turkey management.
Quote from: tnanh on August 06, 2020, 05:07:59 PM
Yes, everyone has their opinion. NRA and especially the NWTF have gotten way too money hungry. When we give them
Money they hammer us wanting more. Very frustrating. We need the NRA but they need to get their stuff straight. Not too sure we need the NWTF any longer unless they get back to helping with turkey management.
Well summarized! Exactly this!
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Maybe you guys need to head to DC to lobby and fight for our gun rights.
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The liberals are not trying to clean the NRA up, they intend to shut it down forever. A slippery slope best not started down.
Quote from: fallhnt on August 06, 2020, 08:55:38 PM
Maybe you guys need to head to DC to lobby and fight for our gun rights.
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I didn't say gun rights don't need a lobbyist but perhaps one where the leaders don't divert millions of dollars for their own personal use.
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Quote from: tal on August 06, 2020, 09:39:58 PM
The liberals are not trying to clean the NRA up, they intend to shut it down forever. A slippery slope best not started down.
THIS. RIGHT. HERE.
It's a catch 22, those organizations need the money to operate. With more money being given, those in charge feel they need a raise, so they get there raises.
I don't want to see either the NWTF or the NRA go. I still am a member to the NWTF and donate to them. The NRA I've been meaning to join for a handful of years now but it just slips my mind.
Hopefully these issues can be corrected.
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Quote from: Big Guy on August 06, 2020, 03:44:01 PM
is it really wise to be giving more money to an organization that is being charged with fraud and basically stealing money to line their own pockets?
I feel the same way about taxes most of the time. ;D
The LaPierre legacy.
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The attorney general of NY definitely has an agenda to take down the NRA which has been the chief lobbying force for gun rights for years. I have no problem in her going after the leadership if what she alleges is true. I'm a Life Member of the NRA, but if Wayne LaPierre has been misusing funds, I have zero problem with taking him down and prosecuting him. The libs want way more than this. They do want your guns.
We need the NRA to fight for our rights that are constantly under attack. We don't need the greedy crook LaPierre or his cronies. While there are other gun rights organizations, none of them have the clout or numbers that the NRA does.
With that being said, I'm a lifetime and endowment member of the NRA, but they won't get another penny of my money until they dump LaPierre and his band of thieves.
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The NRA was in a lot of turmoil when Wayne took over. Pretty good in house battle.It`s alright to investigate any conservative group but liberal organizations it`s hands off. I`m not condoning what is going on with the NRA but this is pretty well politically timed. The Fuehrer of NYS hates the organization and has deemed it a criminal offense to do business with the NRA. That in itself is wrong,crickets on the media part of that. I`m not giving up on the NRA, GOA or America. God bless
Quote from: Old Timer on August 07, 2020, 12:02:44 PM
The NRA was in a lot of turmoil when Wayne took over. Pretty good in house battle.It`s alright to investigate any conservative group but liberal organizations it`s hands off. I`m not condoning what is going on with the NRA but this is pretty well politically timed. The Fuehrer of NYS hates the organization and has deemed it a criminal offense to do business with the NRA. That in itself is wrong,crickets on the media part of that. I`m not giving up on the NRA, GOA or America. God bless
If this was politically timed by the Democrats, it was poorly timed right before the election. All this will do is get Republicans fired up and out to vote. I think it would have been wiser on Democrats part to wait until after the election to roll this out
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Don't miss the big disturbing point of all this. A state govt with deep pockets is suing (not criminally charging which prosecutors normally do) a political foe in hopes of destroying them financially.
This is very disturbing.
The reckless spending of money is a matter for the board of directors to address (and I wish they would). LaPierre should have been gone but that didn't happen and the board hasn't changed anything. Wayne needs to be gone and they need to reorganize without a doubt. But unless a criminal complaint has been filed, the state of NY has no business in this. This is politics, a state against a political foe and it stinks.
We NEED an NRA to speak for gun owners and all Americans. The state of NY saw a weakness and is trying to destroy it.
Quote from: Old Timer on August 07, 2020, 12:02:44 PM
The NRA was in a lot of turmoil when Wayne took over. Pretty good in house battle.It`s alright to investigate any conservative group but liberal organizations it`s hands off. I`m not condoning what is going on with the NRA but this is pretty well politically timed. The Fuehrer of NYS hates the organization and has deemed it a criminal offense to do business with the NRA. That in itself is wrong,crickets on the media part of that. I`m not giving up on the NRA, GOA or America. God bless
Yea very true... liberal organizations get off Scott free no matter what. Only conservative groups get brought into question.
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Quote from: Tail Feathers on August 07, 2020, 01:32:56 PM
Don't miss the big disturbing point of all this. A state govt with deep pockets is suing (not criminally charging which prosecutors normally do) a political foe in hopes of destroying them financially.
This is very disturbing.
The reckless spending of money is a matter for the board of directors to address (and I wish they would). LaPierre should have been gone but that didn't happen and the board hasn't changed anything. Wayne needs to be gone and they need to reorganize without a doubt. But unless a criminal complaint has been filed, the state of NY has no business in this. This is politics, a state against a political foe and it stinks.
We NEED an NRA to speak for gun owners and all Americans. The state of NY saw a weakness and is trying to destroy it.
it's quite scary. people of certain political leanings are willing to do whatever it takes to silence those they disagree with. some day they'll piss enough people off and get the fight they're looking for. then they'll immediately cry "foul"
And the NY taxpayers are funding the demise of their own (and our) 2A rights thru this lawsuit.
Is the NRA doing something worse than the NWTF?
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"Divide and conquer"... now is not the time for "negatively" ... Where I live we had a large political statewide pro-gun/ 2nd admenment group, fractally dislove from "infighting" and false accusations of leaders. You may disagree with the NRA and their policies, that's your right, but they are your last stand of defense. Now is the time to come together and STAND, not kneel...
Well I hope the NY attorney General Investigates our Dictator Andrew Cuomo and ALL of the legislators because there all very guilty of what there claiming the NRA of doing. Remember when Dictator Cuomo formed a committee to investigate FRAUD in N.Y and they immediately start investigating HIM because of his MAFIA connections and all the illegal Dealings he is doin!!!!!!!!!!! All of this is a smoke screen .
A lot of screwed-up mess going on nowadays, NRA is a good organization if it were ran right. Having said that we need them to fight for us because the Liberals intend to take the guns I believe that everyone here knows that, who else is going to Washington and fight for us gun owners,? All organizations when they reach a certain status has abuse just like our government they no longer care what we think or anything else about us it's about power.!
Not sure I even understand the point of this suit since it appears to be civil in nature, even if NY has standing to file the suit and if they become successful in the outcome it would a state decision only effecting that state. NRA just moves to a new state and recharters. As stated what is the point other than a waste of court time and state resources.
There does seem to be a lot of smoke around LaPierre. He may well need to go and anyone else if they are misusing funds. The NRA needs to survive and thrive. Trump had a good idea--move the NRA to Texas. Last business to leave NY, turn out the lights. I feel sorry for the good folks of upstate NY that have to put up with all the BS from NYC and Albany. It's a beautiful state. Had a great turkey hunt in a really pretty rural area near Cooperstown this Spring. Everyone I met loathed Cuomo.
The NRA is a joke. They don't care about your guns. All they want is cash.
Unless you're blind, one can't help but wonder how, making a low to mid six figure salary, a person can accrue multi-million dollar estates as they do. Doesn't add up. To say nothing about the additional perks....the average guy will never be able to hunt the places they do, as guests. Not unlike politicians who have never been anything other than a politician on mid-income salaries and now, years later, are multi-millionaires. I only hope that, in the end, the NRA is still our mouthpiece...we can't be without a national organization for our second amendment rights. Lesser organizations...NWTF, Pheasants Forever, Grouse Society et al just don't cut it. Over the years the NRA has been the only forefront organization.
:popcorn:I suspect they will survive, reorganize and make some key internal changes. I'm guessing they will then keep a clean slate for a while. Then temptation will get the best of some high level associate, then someone else and so on until it's brought to the public's attention again. Then it will be time to wash, rinse and repeat, again. At some point there may even be a name change involved to try and shed the organizations negativity of the past. American gun owners ARE, the NRA! I'm not sure the Lib's or anyone else is powerful enough to disband us. At least without a H of a fight.
https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/nra-ny.pdf
Quote from: silvestris on August 09, 2020, 12:53:39 AM
https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/nra-ny.pdf
The PRELIMINARY STATEMENT starting on p.1 lays it all out. A lot of this was obvious 10-15 years ago to anyone watching closely.
The bottom line is if fraudulent activity has occurred and based off of the leadership that has been leaving the organization something occurred then new leadership needs to be put in place and auditing needs to improve drastically. Dissolving an organization based off of this is a bit drastic and equates to finger pointing, is this is what the NY AG's office feels it needs to do then it needs to look into it's own govt. at the local, state and federal level as well. Probably needs to be some dissolving there but thats not how you address it. You remove those responsible and replace them with confident, honest and responsible people who are willing to follow rules and be held accountable. My :z-twocents:
I don't know how accurate the figure is but this is circulating on the net: "The NRA stole $63 million from its members. Apparently owning a gun doesn't really protect you getting robbed." There probably is an amount that has been figured as a result of the investigation.
Quote from: RutnNStrutn on August 07, 2020, 10:08:32 AM
We need the NRA to fight for our rights that are constantly under attack. We don't need the greedy crook LaPierre or his cronies. While there are other gun rights organizations, none of them have the clout or numbers that the NRA does.
With that being said, I'm a lifetime and endowment member of the NRA, but they won't get another penny of my money until they dump LaPierre and his band of thieves.
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I agree wholeheartedly. I work 60-70 hours a week and do upgrade my "Lifetime" membership whenever I can because I believe in the cause. People have lost sight of the #1reason we are in the NRA, to protect our 2nd amendment rights. The cause is bigger than the individual. True believers don't need mansions and all that fancy crap. Clean house and get back on track, PLEASE.
Quote from: RutnNStrutn on August 07, 2020, 10:08:32 AM
We need the NRA to fight for our rights that are constantly under attack. We don't need the greedy crook LaPierre or his cronies. While there are other gun rights organizations, none of them have the clout or numbers that the NRA does.
With that being said, I'm a lifetime and endowment member of the NRA, but they won't get another penny of my money until they dump LaPierre and his band of thieves.
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Exactly how I feel.
It kills me to let my membership lapse but I felt I had to do it.
I have absolutely no problem with keeping them straight but I have no interest in paying dues so Wayne can go on vacation and buy $2,000 suits. And now, a countersuit to keep Wayne in his position. I can't bring myself to fund all that.
I joined Gun Owners Of America a few years ago and split my support between both of them. Last year I changed to funding only GOA after this LaPeirre stuff came out.
I'll continue that until they get Wayne and his buddies out.
I hope his indiscretions don't bring down the NRA. We need them.
As a side note, I contacted NRA three times regarding this issue and got no response.
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NRA has gone sideways for greed. They have no intention of giving up control of their cash cow. This and actively working toward gun control when it suits them is too much.
Groups like Gun Owners of America do more with less. Your state level organizations are as important because they fight groups like NRA who support gun control legislation.
If we lose the NRA, we can kiss our guns goodbye. Period. Just a stepping stone for the Liberal Gun Grab. I'm not saying they are overpaid, but we need our voice in DC to be heard. Liberals want us squabbling amongst ourselves. Divide and conquer. :z-twocents:
Cowboy I agree! If everything is true as some have said clean house and get new leadership. Liberals are behind all the unrest in our country now. One of my best friends which was a retired Army Sargent from the World War II era always said 3 things would happen 1st we needed to protect our borders ( one thing they teach in the military) 2nd was that they would try to take out guns away so we would be like the foreign countries where the government is the only ones that have them and all we have is rocks and bricks to fight with and 3rd that there would be another civil war here that would make the first one look like a baby. I thought there was no way we'll we're on the verge now.