What is the difference in a trumpet and a yelper ? i have looked all over google and cant find the answer. Is there an distinct difference between the two? Same goes with a Jordan Yelper . Iv been trying to find descriptions on these but cant find anything
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Great question. I hope someone will answer.
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I'm sure someone will come up with a better answer, but "Yelper" is often used as a generic term to reference many different suction type calls.
Quote from: gergg on July 17, 2020, 08:45:00 PM
I'm sure someone will come up with a better answer, but "Yelper" is often used as a generic term to reference many different suction type calls.
This is my understanding on it as well, and that a trumpet is just a type of "yelper".
Jordan Yelper is just a different style, usually made with river cane, but not always.
There's quite a few other styles as well, one of my favorite being the tree yelper.
What makes a tree yelper different ?
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Tony explains it very well:
http://oldgobbler.com/Forum/index.php/topic,86107.msg834194.html#msg834194
Quote from: Chustzc on July 17, 2020, 09:01:29 PM
What makes a tree yelper different ?
Shorter, wider barrel.
I think all trumpets are yelpers but not all yelpers are trumpets if that makes sense. As far as Jordan yelpers, that's a call attributed to Charles L. Jordan modifying a traditional wingbone into a three part staggered call made of cane typically with a hen bone mouthpiece. But the key is that it's still a three part staggered construction. And who knows if Jordan really invented it or if he's just who gets the attribution. This is late 1800s. You also had Roanoke style calls in that same era and their construction is much different but still a yelper. As far as trumpets I think that development comes along with Tom Turpin and he wasn't happy with the sound he was getting out of Jordans, or at least that's my understanding. He actually built a few Jordan's off an original—a collector named Danny Ellis has the original Jordan Turpin was loaned as well as the Jordan style yelper Turpin created—but he eventually moves to a more trumpet style bell design, though still a staggered three part call at this point. I think that's the shift. Once the Turpin yelper with that defined bell comes along we get the move toward the style we now associate with trumpets.
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A true Jordan Yelper is river cane with a hen bone mouthpiece. There is something guys call a Jordan style.
Trumpet is turned barrel,man made internal dimensions, simple explanation
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Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on July 17, 2020, 09:04:40 PM
I think all trumpets are yelpers but not all yelpers are trumpets if that makes sense. As far as Jordan yelpers, that's a call attributed to Charles L. Jordan modifying a traditional wingbone into a three part staggered call made of cane typically with a hen bone mouthpiece. But the key is that it's still a three part staggered construction. And who knows if Jordan really invented it or if he's just who gets the attribution. This is late 1800s. You also had Roanoke style calls in that same era and their construction is much different but still a yelper. As far as trumpets I think that development comes along with Tom Turpin and he wasn't happy with the sound he was getting out of Jordans, or at least that's my understanding. He actually built a few Jordan's off an original—a collector named Danny Ellis has the original Jordan Turpin was loaned as well as the Jordan style yelper Turpin created—but he eventually moves to a more trumpet style bell design, though still a staggered three part call at this point. I think that's the shift. Once the Turpin yelper with that defined bell comes along we get the move toward the style we now associate with trumpets.
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I think you explained it pretty good CCp.
Turpin may have developed the trumpet because he didn't like the sound (I don't know the history), but I would guess he was looking to be more consistent. That's the hardest thing when dealing with what nature gave you. It would be hard for me to believe anyone wouldn't like the sound of a well made Jordan. IMHO, they produce some of the sweetest turkey sounds.
Quote from: EZ on July 19, 2020, 07:05:31 AM
Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on July 17, 2020, 09:04:40 PM
I think all trumpets are yelpers but not all yelpers are trumpets if that makes sense. As far as Jordan yelpers, that's a call attributed to Charles L. Jordan modifying a traditional wingbone into a three part staggered call made of cane typically with a hen bone mouthpiece. But the key is that it's still a three part staggered construction. And who knows if Jordan really invented it or if he's just who gets the attribution. This is late 1800s. You also had Roanoke style calls in that same era and their construction is much different but still a yelper. As far as trumpets I think that development comes along with Tom Turpin and he wasn't happy with the sound he was getting out of Jordans, or at least that's my understanding. He actually built a few Jordan's off an original—a collector named Danny Ellis has the original Jordan Turpin was loaned as well as the Jordan style yelper Turpin created—but he eventually moves to a more trumpet style bell design, though still a staggered three part call at this point. I think that's the shift. Once the Turpin yelper with that defined bell comes along we get the move toward the style we now associate with trumpets.
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I think you explained it pretty good CCp.
Turpin may have developed the trumpet because he didn't like the sound (I don't know the history), but I would guess he was looking to be more consistent. That's the hardest thing when dealing with what nature gave you. It would be hard for me to believe anyone wouldn't like the sound of a well made Jordan. IMHO, they produce some of the sweetest turkey sounds.
I think you're absolutely right, Tony, about it being a matter of consistency. In this old newspaper piece they say Turpin kept trying to follow the instructions Jordan had given in his book but never could get one that suited him. He then was lucky enough to have someone lend him a real Jordan and he modeled his own after that. Here's a picture of that news article telling that story, and what's really cool is Danny Ellis now owns the Jordan that Turpin was loaned and the Jordan that Turpin built off of it so that they are once again paired together (second picture).
I've wondered if Turpin might have been influenced by the shape and more rounded bell of the Roanoke calls and Danny says he's fairly sure he would've at least known about those calls, but who knows if that was an influence. I think overall you're spot on about consistency. That carved or turned bell allows precise internals that can be recreated over and over. I think that bell also allows for a lot more modulation of sound. A win win!
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