Still looking for one if anyone has one they're willing to part with.
I know there has to be someone out there with one they'll part with.
I'm most likely done making calls for the season ...but anything is possible so no promises
Quote from: governor on July 10, 2022, 06:55:10 PM
Still looking for one if anyone has one they're willing to part with.
I know it seems to be an insurmountable task to land one of these calls. I found my first one years ago on EBay, lucked out winning the bid. My chase for these calls never ends, I have been lucky enough to secure a few. Shannon has put up quite a few calls on this thread this past year, true hunters of push pins have been tenacious in landing them. My advice, stay at it, stay involved on the push pin threads and you will land one. They really are a work of art, but most of all they are "All Turkey". I wish you luck, and hope you land one soon, lord knows you won't be disappointed. Be well,
Thanks Tom007 but I'm beginning to think I've got a better chance of getting struck by lightning than finding one of these calls. I'll keep looking just the same
Quote from: governor on July 20, 2022, 11:10:39 AM
Thanks Tom007 but I'm beginning to think I've got a better chance of getting struck by lightning than finding one of these calls. I'll keep looking just the same
You will prevail, stay the course my friend. Shannon wants all those who will "hunt" them, not just display or flip them to have one. You will get a chance, best of luck......
A few weeks ago I got a message from a member, who I will not name, asking if I was interested in one of Shannon's calls. He said he wanted $360 for it. I accepted the offer and sent him a check. I soon found out that he had just got the call from Shannon the Sunday before when they were put on this site. Two days later he messaged me saying he had an offer for $460, if I matched it I would get the call otherwise it would go to the higher bid. I didn't fall for it and he voided my check and sold the call that he paid $260 for the previous Sunday for $460. I respect Shannon for trying to get his calls in the hands of people who will use them and hand them down but this is a perfect example of people trying to profit on his craftsmanship. I'm just venting because this has really bothered me.
Quote from: governor on July 21, 2022, 12:56:12 PM
A few weeks ago I got a message from a member, who I will not name, asking if I was interested in one of Shannon's calls. He said he wanted $360 for it. I accepted the offer and sent him a check. I soon found out that he had just got the call from Shannon the Sunday before when they were put on this site. Two days later he messaged me saying he had an offer for $460, if I matched it I would get the call otherwise it would go to the higher bid. I didn't fall for it and he voided my check and sold the call that he paid $260 for the previous Sunday for $460. I respect Shannon for trying to get his calls in the hands of people who will use them and hand them down but this is a perfect example of people trying to profit on his craftsmanship. I'm just venting because this has really bothered me.
Seeing as you accepted the offer, sent payment, and then had the seller renege on the deal after the check was in hand I think you should share the member so that the rest of us won't do business with them. That's the easiest way to cut out the BS. None of us want to deal with someone like that.
And that's exactly why Shannon moved away from the list model. Unfortunately I don't think there's any way around the call flippers unless the callmaker knows who they are and blacklists them (say what you want about him, but Cox been blacklisting folks for years who were purposefully flipping his calls for profit and rightfully so). Those guys are on every major list in callmaking, especially the yelper lists.
Hopefully you'll find a pushpin. They're great calls, and they are deserving of the premium.
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Shannon was very up front to those that bought his calls through his Sunday evening smash and grabs that if they didn't like the call or felt it wasn't for them they can return the call and be refunded no questions. It's different when there's a list involved, and a call you may have waited multiple years for, once you have that call it's yours to do so as you please in my opinion, but Shannon set this system up to eliminate that activity exclusively.
Totally disrespectful to the craftsman and a bit scummy to attempt to turn around and maximize profits off of the call so quickly. Selling at cost or trading is another thing in this situation, but why someone wouldn't just tell Shannon it's not for them is beyond me. It's easily more offensive to be profited off of than it would be to be respectfully told it's not for them after purchase.
The seller reneging on the original agreed upon deal is also a big no-no. That's not just a matter of changing his mind, that's downright bad business.
Quote from: governor on July 21, 2022, 12:56:12 PM
A few weeks ago I got a message from a member, who I will not name, asking if I was interested in one of Shannon's calls. He said he wanted $360 for it. I accepted the offer and sent him a check. I soon found out that he had just got the call from Shannon the Sunday before when they were put on this site. Two days later he messaged me saying he had an offer for $460, if I matched it I would get the call otherwise it would go to the higher bid. I didn't fall for it and he voided my check and sold the call that he paid $260 for the previous Sunday for $460. I respect Shannon for trying to get his calls in the hands of people who will use them and hand them down but this is a perfect example of people trying to profit on his craftsmanship. I'm just venting because this has really bothered me.
I believe Shannon was upfront about no call flipping when these were going up. As far as the seller a o out of the deal after he got your check very BAD FOR BUSINESS an shouldn't b tolerated. It's up to you whether you say or don't say the the name but I think Shannon should know jmo.
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I've already told Shannon who this POS is. I told the guy that I was raised " a deal is a deal" but obviously he wasn't raised that way. It is what it is.
Sorry to hear that governor, I have had nothing but great outcomes dealing with members of this site. Keep after the Push-pin, it will happen. I also agree with Chester, name the guy that burned you, a deal is a deal. I or no one else want to be burned.
bummer to hear about this. I've been keeping my eyes peeled for a shot at one of these calls also. I'll just keep after it.
I noticed several calls went to people with very low post counts, I can bet it was one of them, not someone that has been on here for a long time! That really Sux's!!
I agree with putting is name out there as well. Ask Shannon if he would mind you letting is name be known so he can't sell sh!t anymore to anyone else.
I have been on a lot of call makers list and waited years to receive a call. I have been waiting over 3 years for one of Shannons calls. I saw all the new members getting
them. Seems strange that all of a sudden the site had a lot of new members!
Quote from: 3bailey3 on July 21, 2022, 04:28:23 PM
I noticed several calls went to people with very low post counts, I can bet it was one of them, not someone that has been on here for a long time! That really Sux's!!
I noticed that also. These guys are younger and tech savvy, faster and will beat me every single time in a first to post race. By the time I see Shannon's post and try to fat finger "I'll take one" Shannon's probably aready mailed it to the winner, lol! I've already accepted the fact I'll never see one and that's ok. But I really don't know what could be done differently to weed these flippers out.
Zobo, l bet my fat fingers are slower then yours. :TooFunny: I also know I will never win this first post war.
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Quote from: 3bailey3 on July 21, 2022, 04:28:23 PM
I noticed several calls went to people with very low post counts, I can bet it was one of them, not someone that has been on here for a long time! That really Sux's!!
I noticed that also. These guys are younger and tech savvy, faster and will beat me every single time in a first to post race. By the time I see Shannon's post and try to fat finger "I'll take one" Shannon's probably aready mailed it to the winner, lol! I've already accepted the fact I'll never see one and that's ok. But I really don't know what could be done differently to weed these flippers out.
It seems like it might be slowing down some? I know the first several were gone within seconds but the last two he sold went almost 35 minutes before someone posted.
I think the last two that went long he posted them when no one was expecting them, I think if he posted them for sale to people with more than 500 post that would stop the flipping..
Quote from: 3bailey3 on July 21, 2022, 11:12:28 PM
I think the last two that went long he posted them when no one was expecting them, I think if he posted them for sale to people with more than 500 post that would stop the flipping..
Wow, this is really sad that a guy would do this. Great idea on the post count, would weed out the hit and run guys. This is exactly what Shannon did not want, in fact all great call makers do not want this to happen. Really sad, I think the person should be exposed, especially since he re-negged on the Governor's agreed upon deal. Not worthy of remaining anonymous........
I honestly hate this for Shannon more than anyone. If anyone deserves to be making extra coin off of his calls, it's him. Very thankful that I happened to be on the site when one of the quick posts happened and was able to get my hands on one. I can tell you this for sure...I ain't selling mine.
I'm in a very slow internet area, basically the end of the earth. By the time Shannon's post pops up on my computer according to the time stamp it was posted three minutes ago. I don't stand a chance because they're usually gone before I even see the post.
Okay ...
I have ...for years received messages,emails and the like from people who purchased my calls second hand at a greatly increased markup just this week I received a phone call from A very nice guy we talked for over a hour ....he informed me he paid a astronomical price for a call...he showed me the picture of the call ...I just made that call a few weeks ago ...WITH EVERY SINGLE TRANSACTION I ALWAYS MAKE IT CLEAR IF THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THE CALL ,MESSAGE ME BACK I WILL REFUND, REPLACE WHATEVER ...I have yet in all these years had anybody want Thier money back ..and that leads me to believe some the calls re-sold are for personal financial gain , it is your call and you can do with it what you choose , but I've made it VERY CLEAR collectors and call flippers need not apply
What to do ?
I've taken precautions to block 95% of the shenanigans , I want the calls to go to turkey hunters ... period, the people doing these things are simply " money changers " etc...
I can create a account EASY , and make posts asking for a Shannon Kelly call ...let that be a warning to those call flipping ...I will also take other measures
Safe hunting --Shannon
I was just hoping to "possibly" find someone that had more than one and would be willing to part with it. It seems with the demand that's the only way I might ever get one. Wasn't trying to ruffle any feathers. I've got quite an extensive goose call collection that I didn't build to sell and make money on. I sometimes trade one call for another but I'm not the call selling business. I'm a sportsman and hunter 100%. I make my living commercial fishing not selling calls.
Always been a problem, always will, too many out there that all they think about is how to make a dollar with out working, not good for the maker, but you have to live with it.
Quote from: ol bob on July 22, 2022, 02:37:32 PM
Always been a problem, always will, too many out there that all they think about is how to make a dollar with out working, not good for the maker, but you have to live with it.
There's plenty of this out there. They buy as many from a maker at Unicoi or get on list and order as many as they allow and use them to up trade or sell and make a profit. Just the way it is.
It's unfortunate because popular call makers are shutting down lists or have 3/4 year waits
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Update ...I've sent a message to the unnamed individual, asking them a question ...he has logged onto the forum..and not responded
Usually I do this in a private manner , but seeing that I haven't seen any cooperation with that , let me clear my mind on a few things
Reneging on a classifieds agreement is a violation of the user agreement and grounds to have your account "smoked" it doesn't matter if it's popsicle sticks or calls ..
2nd issue ... Yes people are flipping calls ,some people didn't believe me but here we have a prime example , when I sell a call it goes to the new owner and it becomes thier property, they have every legal right to do with it what they deem fit ..there is nothing I can do about it other than come up with more "soup nazi" rules to exclude business practices that make it possible for individuals to perpetuate this practice , I've taken measures to eliminate 95% of the call flippers and collectors..I will take more
What I'm going to do ...the list , I have a book with who only knows how many names in it ...I've avoided adhering to it this last year because I know full well 85 percent of it is BS , occasionally I have someone contact me wanting to know the "status" ..I do not and have not accepted any deposits nor made any commitments other that 3 years ago , telling people it was a 7 year wait ...that book is getting thrown away ..end of story
I will be taking a picture of every single call with the user name , name and address ..all calls have a unique wood grain and I will be watching very closely...just saying
I have people contact me on social media , some ..I have no clue who they are.. I feel some are attempting a shortcut to the list ...or wanting on the list , trying to get me to make a "commitment" all deals are off , of you pester me your going to get "soup nazi" treatment . Many on social media want 2 calls , that's big red flag ..that says buy two sell one to pay for both , you ask for 2 you get ZERO ...as in black listed ...calls that will be listed here on OG ..I'll block low low post people from buying ...1 call per season , if you buy 1 and like it , take a picture of it next to your dead turkey or hunting and I would appreciate that , because I am , and several other callmakers who make push pins ( and we talk to each other ) trying to get the push pins more awareness
I did the smash and grab ..calls went in seconds , i came up with some new rules even doubling back with second posts after the first to throw off flippers ...I'll come up with some ideas to make it fair... I want my calls in the woods , not in some rich guys cabinet ..I collect what I feel is a fair price for my skilled time and materials.. but price gouging is not me , and not where I want to take this
Shannon
WELL SAID SHANNON...
Your efforts to be fair are commendable.
Wow, that is really showing how much you care about those purchasing these great calls. You are going the extra mile to keep your business fair and beneficial to the real Turkey hunters. Well said, well done...
Well said, I was on your list but I understand why you are doing this.I make pot calls and some day I hope to be able to get one of your calls.
You can only do so much, and you are doing your best. Thanks for making a great call, and hosting a great turkey site.
Thank you for all you do!!
Pretty cool to see how much you want to make things fair and the commitment and time you're putting into it. Speaks volumes to your customers.
My internet service is like Governor's....antiquated and slow; and by the time I was able to see Shannon's posts, the calls were gone. Not all individuals that would like 2 calls are wanting to flip one. My youngest son turkey hunts with me. I've done everything I know to do to facilitate the family turkey hunting legacy continues through him. If I had been able to get only one...and right now one would be fine...I would have passed that one on to my son to assure he had all the tools of the trade he would ever need to kill turkeys. Obviously, if I were able to purchase 2, both of us would be fixed with a call. I am a turkey hunter who happens to make a few turkey calls myself. I understand the challenges. The call vultures just don't quit. It turns your stomach to have to deal with the bad apples.....
Yes elaborate on the "2 calls" thing that's for people contacting me on social media only , people I have no clue who they are and pretty much demanding 2 at the same time that's the red flag
I have no issue with selling call(s) to the same individual so long as they hunt them etc..
Thx Shannon
I tried to participate in the smash n grab early on, I felt like I was pretty quick but I wasn't even in the running with some of the people watching. I hope to get one, I will be back into the race when they start being made again (hope to have a picture of one beside a fine Osceola gobbler one day). I have made several posts on here about Shannons calls and others and have never been contacted by anyone asking if I wanted to buy but I dont doubt that it happens a lot.
I hope it doest have to go the way of only selling to those with a really high post count, I probably wouldn't be able to get to whatever the minimum count would be by the time they are being made again
I learned a long time ago when trying to maintain fairness in how I treated my two sons that fairness can only be an objective we strive to obtain. In reality, nothing in life ever achieves true fairness. Some days the advantage goes one way, some days the other way. We can only be thankful for what we have, and appreciate the opportunity to be on the receiving end of good fortune when our turn comes.
Hey guys, I think we can do our part to help Shannon out. Don't buy calls for ridiculous prices. This will discourage the practice. Shannon is a stand up guy and does the fair thing, ALWAYS. I was on the list, last page he took I think and waited 3 or 4 years to get my call. It was a work of art, a masterpiece. I showed my wife and played it for her with a big smile on my face. She was absolutely smitten. It was gift wrapped and she got an early birthday present so she could use it for hunting season. She called in her first bird ever by herself, no shot, but it was epic. She will get one with it next year. That's what this about, not making a few bucks. Z
Quote from: zelmo1 on August 15, 2022, 01:07:38 PM
Hey guys, I think we can do our part to help Shannon out. Don't buy calls for ridiculous prices. This will discourage the practice. Shannon is a stand up guy and does the fair thing, ALWAYS. I was on the list, last page he took I think and waited 3 or 4 years to get my call. It was a work of art, a masterpiece. I showed my wife and played it for her with a big smile on my face. She was absolutely smitten. It was gift wrapped and she got an early birthday present so she could use it for hunting season. She called in her first bird ever by herself, no shot, but it was epic. She will get one with it next year. That's what this about, not making a few bucks. Z
Well said , Amen my friend!